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Masterdale 12-24-2010 09:06 AM

More on Trailer Towing
 
I'm looking to buy an enclosed trailer to haul a couple of motor scooter and some camping equipment behind my 2009 JKX. I see the gross towing weight is 2000 lbs.. I do not have a towing package but have added a 2" trailer hitch.

Can you tell me what main issues I should be aware of, things to avoid and any other input that experienced trailer pullers can share to ensure I don't compromise our safety or the vehicle? Thanks!

JeeperJake 12-24-2010 10:28 AM

besides the other 'trailer' issues, towing with such a short wheel base adds it's own flavor of demands.

I too will be facing the same issues if my JK purchase is completed next week.

Tongue weight, trailer brakes, balance of loaded trailer are part of the equation to solve.

rbloodhound 12-24-2010 11:09 AM

I would add a brake controller for electric brakes.

Hilldweller 12-24-2010 11:27 AM

Gearing.
I have 4.56 gears, 33s, and an autotrans. My trailer weighs about 2000 pounds and it is an anchor on any highway grades. I can't imagine trying to trailer without regearing.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...arlman/198.jpg

More on Trailer Towing ---- I read this as moron trailer towing, btw. :D :D :D

jk'n 12-24-2010 11:40 AM

I got the four door for its longer wheel base and extra tow capacity. I typically tow between 2000 and 3000 lbs of all kinds of camping gear for excursions that last typically a week but can last for any length of time. Towing near capacity will be something that will challenge your nerves, especially at the outset. In my opinion, it is similar to what tractor trailer drivers go through when they drive empty vs full. Braking distance is longer, turns can result in flipping if you don't reduce your speed or the trailer can pull you to the outside of the turn if it begins to lose it's grip with the road. Jerking the wheel is a real no no. Downshifting on steep downhill grades to maintain control of speed and downshifting on steep uphill grades to maintain highway speeds. Pulling a trailer takes a lot of getting used to if you haven't done it before. If you go out there cocky and exceed limits, whoops, bad outcome. If you go out there way timid, you will get where you are going but other drivers may lose patience with you. Consider other drivers if you have a line of cars behind you and can pull off to let them pass. I'm always appreciative of that when not towing and someone does that. There is a lot to consider and my best advice is to take it slow.

adrenaline 12-24-2010 01:48 PM

Sorry I was looking for pictures of my Jeep towing my two street bikes and racing gear. I don't have an enclosed trailer, but I do haul mine and my G/F's racing bikes and gear. I will continue to look for a nice picture, but I have a 2 door JK with a manual 3:73 gears and it tows the bikes and the xtra gas and gear with no problems.

Masterdale 12-24-2010 01:50 PM

I wonder if the additional wind resistance of a box trailer will create extra challenges? I need to keep my valuables out of sight and protected. Thoughts?

adrenaline 12-24-2010 02:08 PM

Is the front of the trailer a V? If so I think you should be fine? Is the trailer fully loaded within the towing specs? If so I think you will be fine. I think the biggest thing to remember is stopping will be twice as long.

BlkMtnJK 12-24-2010 02:16 PM

2010 JK 4dr mountain, with tow package. I tow my 18' stingray bowrider boat with ease. I have an auto trans as well

jk'n 12-24-2010 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Masterdale (Post 943180)
I wonder if the additional wind resistance of a box trailer will create extra challenges? I need to keep my valuables out of sight and protected. Thoughts?

Mine is a standard nose trailer 6' X 10'. Yes it does get some wind resistance. I think I get blown around more though without the trailer attached. My mileage goes from 17 to 18 average driving to 10 to 12 with the trailer. There are a lot of reasons for the trailer. When I go camping combined with all of our other activities especially SCUBA, I like things locked up.

RubiJK12 12-24-2010 09:50 PM

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I tow my trailer with the stock gears and automatic. The trailer is 4 X 8 and I've keep the max weight of the trailer around 12-1500 pounds. Maintaining the legal speed speed limit of 55 I really don't notice much difference. I'm not sure the trailer doesn't stabilize the 2 door in some situations. Just allow more time and distance for stopping and for turning. I feel very comfortable with it.

The trailer is only a little over 3 ft high. The top locks down or I can take it all the way off for taller objects. With this size, I can see down both sides of the Jeep and out the rear view mirror.
It really tows great and has replaced the need for a pickup! Not all that much difference in gas mileage either.

zabooda 12-25-2010 01:24 AM

Tow packages include the tranny cooler so you'll need to get one of those.

jk'n 12-25-2010 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by zabooda (Post 944039)
Tow packages include the tranny cooler so you'll need to get one of those.

This sounds counter-intuitive. I'm aware that the towing package includes the tranny cooler but are you saying that you have to get an additional one or a better one?

JIMBOX 12-25-2010 08:56 AM

:D The tow pkgs include the A/C whether you wantit or not, but only with the Auto tranny-

That includes the stock cooler as part of the A/C condenser, which is WHOLLY INADEQUET, for towing--you must add an aux cooler-

AGAIN- for AUTO TRANNY ONLY

:rofl::rofl: JIMBO

JeeperJake 12-25-2010 08:59 AM

Does anyone tow one of those "A-liner" style trailers that fold down flat?

http://www.aliner.com/images/product...re_classic.jpg

http://www.aliner.com/design/assets/...dition_car.jpg

Texas TC 12-25-2010 02:21 PM

My 2007 had 4.10 gears but no towing package. My 2011 has 3.73 gears with a towing package. I miss the power of the 4.10 gears when pulling my trailer but the 2011 seems to be more stable in all kinds of road conditions.

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h1...p004Medium.jpg

adrenaline 12-25-2010 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by JeeperJake (Post 944286)
Does anyone tow one of those "A-liner" style trailers that fold down flat?

http://www.aliner.com/images/product...re_classic.jpg

http://www.aliner.com/design/assets/...dition_car.jpg


That is cool looking but seems like a full on tent trailer would be a better use of space unless this was quite a bit cheaper!

JeeperJake 12-25-2010 03:41 PM

not a shill for these guys.....I like hard walls more than canvas. Besides insulation they have other advantages.
And 3 or 4 models that are below the 2000# mark.

They go from flat to 'up' ready to use in about 5 seconds. Some have shower/toilet & galley plus bed space. They ain't cheep.

I've camped nearly everywhere over the last 50 years with a wide range of gear and simply am too old & cranky to mess with tents etc any more. Don't like the constraints a larger RV trailer demands either.

snopro269 12-25-2010 03:45 PM

I had to order a complete wiring harness that goes from the battery to the back of My 2010 Rubicon in order to be able to run my trailer with electric disk setup. My jeep had the stock 4 plug trailer system and I changed it to the large RV style

FalconRods 12-25-2010 07:13 PM

Where is that thing - it looks way cool - thanks, Merry Christmas

JeeperJake 12-25-2010 08:36 PM

aliner.com is their website. There's another similar but totally different company back in Ohio or somewhere.

I'm just not a canvas tent pop-up fan.

Hilldweller 12-26-2010 05:54 AM

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Originally Posted by JeeperJake (Post 945089)
I'm just not a canvas tent pop-up fan.

I was in my younger days but I'm feeling it now when I set mine up.
Might be looking for something easier in the future.

You can't beat the Conqueror for roominess though.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...lman/002-1.jpg

Love4wheelin 08-07-2012 11:21 PM

[/B]We have a 2012 aliner classic and so far deciding we need to add brakes - 4pin to 7 adapter - also wanting to lift it and add 15" wheels - thoughts anyone!

Hilldweller 08-08-2012 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Hilldweller (Post 945478)
Might be looking for something easier in the future.

I made a move to a teardrop trailer, btw.

And the JK couldn't lug it so I traded for a Power Wagon...

One Year with Little Guy - YouTube

But I can see a Chalet XL1938 in our future for sure.
A trailer-builder that I know picks the Chalet as the winner in this category.

http://www.chaletrv.com/slir/w450/images/8.jpg

WXman 08-08-2012 07:12 AM

The main thing to keep in mind is that the hitch on a JK mounts to a crossmember, not down both frame rails like other trucks. So your tongue weight really needs to be kept in check.

The wheelbase isn't a problem. The Liberty has a similar wheelbase and it's rated for 5,000-7,000 lbs. depending on USA/Euro configuration.

The auto tranny may get hot like has been said, so a good cooler will help protect it. Trailer brakes are a MUST. Get a good trailer brake controller for your dash and wire that up and you will be FINE. These things will tow a lot of weight safely if you have the proper equipment and just take it easy...no speeding.

Tree 08-08-2012 07:19 AM

Is towing with a jeep, that much different than towing with a sedan? (say like a saturn Ion).

WXman 08-08-2012 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Tree (Post 2664302)
Is towing with a jeep, that much different than towing with a sedan? (say like a saturn Ion).

Yeah. The sedan was designed/engineered to haul people. They never considered an extra load on the drivetrain such as a trailer with toys in it. The suspension will also scream if you load it like a Jeep. There isn't proper cooling for the engine. Front wheel drive components are very light duty. Just a bad idea to tow with a modern car..

4X4RDSTR 08-08-2012 07:41 AM

As long as we are talking towing, I have a question please.
I sold my Toyota Tacoma which I used to use to launch and retrieve my 22 ft boat from the town dock twice during the year. Spring and Fall. I live under 3 miles from from ramp.

Can I use my JK Wrangler 2Door to do this without harm to the Jeep.
I know the tow limit is 2000 lbs. and the boat and trailer is 3500-4000 lbs.
I will be able to keep it slow, like under 30mph from ramp to home.
It did not have a tow package, so I added a 2inch receiver.

I just don't want to ruin anything over this short distance.

Thanks for your advice.

Tree 08-08-2012 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by WXman (Post 2664319)
Yeah. The sedan was designed/engineered to haul people. They never considered an extra load on the drivetrain such as a trailer with toys in it. The suspension will also scream if you load it like a Jeep. There isn't proper cooling for the engine. Front wheel drive components are very light duty. Just a bad idea to tow with a modern car..

I ask because I just towed my dad's harley from VA to CT with his saturn. It was about 750/800 lbs total weight. Aside from feeling some drag going up and down the mountains/hills on I-81 and I-84, it wasn't too bad.

WXman 08-08-2012 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Tree (Post 2664490)
I ask because I just towed my dad's harley from VA to CT with his saturn. It was about 750/800 lbs total weight. Aside from feeling some drag going up and down the mountains/hills on I-81 and I-84, it wasn't too bad.

Light loads like that won't destroy it. I was thinking in terms of towing a camper or something.

As far as getting your boat out of the water, you will be OK to the guy who asked that. It won't hurt the JK to tow twice it's listed capacity...it's just the legality of it that can get you in trouble if you're caught on the highway and/or get into an accident. Mechanically, the JK is tougher than a box of nails. It's the "may not" and not the "can not" that gets you into trouble.


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