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DKS 12-26-2010 05:14 PM

Advice on New 4 Door Wrangler
 
I'm trading my Mustang for a 2011 Wrangler Unlimited 4 Door.

It must be Black and it must have a hard top.

I'm planning on putting either 33 or 35 inch tires on as soon as I buy it.

#1 Auto or 6 speed????

I usually prefer Autos in trucks/SUVs and Manuals in Cars, but I'm wondering which is best since I'm putting on bigger tires.

Does the Manual really help the performance (power, MPG) enough to matter? Or would the Auto be better with the big tires?

#2 Sport or Sahara??

I'm thinking since the thing is going to be black and the color matching of the Sahara package would be a waste I should just get a sport and equip it the way I want it.

I don't want the sport S because it comes with the nice wheels, which would be a waste for me since I'm going aftermarket as soon as I pick it up.

Any other advice would be appreciated.


I want to get it right the first time. This is by no means my first Jeep, but it is my first Wrangler, and my first new car.

MTH 12-26-2010 05:45 PM

If I wasn't on my handheld, I'd track down the recent manual/auto thread in which somebody posted links to about eight separate manual/auto threads. This is a debate for which there is no answer. My personal recommendation is manual.

if you're going to do lots of mods regardless, a sport may be best for you.

Gorving3 12-26-2010 05:58 PM

My current Jeep Wrangler has the automatic and even though I only have 31" tires and am not a severe off-roader I find the auto is much easier to use when crawling up some of the rough mountain back-trails. It enables me to use one foot on the throttle and one on the brake without stalling the engine. I've have standards before and trying to operate the clutch, brake, and throttle all at the same time with just 2 feet while manuvering over an obstacle has always been very stressful for me.

DKS 12-26-2010 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by MTH (Post 946445)
If I wasn't on my handheld, I'd track down the recent manual/auto thread in which somebody posted links to about eight separate manual/auto threads. This is a debate for which there is no answer. My personal recommendation is manual.

if you're going to do lots of mods regardless, a sport may be best for you.


Thanks. I actually have read through some of the threads on the topic. I was just looking for a fresh perspective specific to my plans.

I'm pretty sure the sport is the way to go for my needs from what I see on the website, just wanted to make sure there wasn't some catch I was missing.

If all I'd gain is the color matching, and not saving any money by buying the Sahara package over getting the Sport and equiping it, I'll for sure go sport since the color matching is a moot point on a black one.

I basically want the . . .

Tow Package
Hard Top
LSD (not the drug, lol)
Power package (which I didn't see listed on the "build your own" part of the site for the Sport. You can get Power windows, locks, keyless, etc. on the Sports, right???
Tint (if they don't all have tint anyway)
Fog Lights (seems they all have these, too)


Still up in the air about the Infinity package, the Automatic, and the Upgraded Electronic/leather steering wheel/USB Port package, lol

JIMBOX 12-26-2010 06:00 PM

:cool: This is not meant to be funny, but

My advice wouldn't be right for you-My JKU Rubi is different than most, and

You can't doit right the first time, you will change whatever you do NOW-within a year it'll change many times, as your desires/hobbys/friends all change-so just take it slow and easy--

Don't IMMEDIATELY throw big tires and wheels on, cause then you'll spend all your money FIXING the suspension to accomodate your new changes, learn how good the jeep is STOCK-first !!

:rofl::rofl: JIMBO

DKS 12-26-2010 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Gorving3 (Post 946468)
My current Jeep Wrangler has the automatic and even though I only have 31" tires and am not a severe off-roader I find the auto is much easier to use when crawling up some of the rough mountain back-trails. It enables me to use one foot on the throttle and one on the brake without stalling the engine. I've have standards before and trying to operate the clutch, brake, and throttle all at the same time with just 2 feet while manuvering over an obstacle has always been very stressful for me.

I've done a lot of off roading in vehicles with Manuals and Autos. Both have their advantages and disadvantages. Usually, I have this philosophy. . . . If it's a car, I like a straight, if it's a truck, I like an auto.

However, I've just heard that these are so underpowered that you gain a lot of performance from the 6 speed and better mileage.

This vehicle will not be used for serious off roading for several years. It's going to be my weekend nice ride until it gets some years on it. I have a GC that is set up for moderate off roading and winter use that I will continue to use for that purpose to preserve the Wrangler until it's older.

So, most of it's use will be highway.

DKS 12-26-2010 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by JIMBOX (Post 946473)
:cool: This is not meant to be funny, but

My advice wouldn't be right for you-My JKU Rubi is different than most, and

You can't doit right the first time, you will change whatever you do NOW-within a year it'll change many times, as your desires/hobbys/friends all change-so just take it slow and easy--

Don't IMMEDIATELY throw big tires and wheels on, cause then you'll spend all your money FIXING the suspension to accomodate your new changes, learn how good the jeep is STOCK-first !!

:rofl::rofl: JIMBO

Yeah, this will be my 26th vehicle, I'm way too familiar with the mod game, lol And you are exactly right. I swore I was going to leave my Mustang stock when I bought it. Within 6 months it was a trophy winning show car that didn't even resemble what it looked like when I bought it, lol

But as far as tires go, I know they do great with the stock tires. I just think they look soooooo much better with at least 33s under them.

I know in my mind what I want as far as looks go, and I MUST have big tires!!! I've never wanted a vehicle as bad as I want one of these Jeeps. When I saw my first 4 door Wangler with a hard top and big tires I fell in love.

ZOMB1E 12-26-2010 06:24 PM

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Sounds like we're in the same boat. I went from a mustang GT to a 4 door JK sahara. 3" lift 35" tires and 4.88 gears. I have a manual but sometimes I wish I had an automatic when I need to pull my friends out.

As far as Sahara vs Sport, I plan on putting flat fenders and a 1" BL on when I go to 37s, so the painted sahara fenders were a waste. IMO I'd get the sport and do what you want with it. The fenders can always be painted later on.

ZOMB1E 12-26-2010 06:28 PM

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guygettnby 12-26-2010 06:31 PM

i wouldnt waste money on the sahara unless you like the comfort features it provides. the infinity sound system is a nice upgrade from stock but still not a good system IMO ... cheaper and better to build your own sound system if you have the money for it. the auto works fine for me on 32's and the fact the JK is so under powered there is no way around it far from a hemi swap. having a 6 speed or auto is really not going to make a difference in power for you.

the biggest thing here is getting what you personally like and what you can deal with paying for. if your happy with it, thats all that matters and anything can be done to the jeep.

the sahara was what i chose personally and i like all the little features it has. i was however very upset with a few things after i did my research. i have an auto and drove a buddies 6 speed awhile back, i felt no improvement in power what so ever besides the extra jerk from shifting. MPG we average around the same if we both act like grannies when we drive. so 6 or auto is more of a preference IMO

i hope some of this helped you out in some way. i wish you the best of luck with your new coming JK and hope you enjoy it.

DKS 12-26-2010 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ZOMB1E (Post 946526)
Couldn't post them both in one post for some reason.


Nice rides. Do you miss the Mustang at all?? I'm just way more of a 4x4 guy than I am a car guy. I like to have room, not have to worry about running up on curbs, sit higher up, and did I mention having room!!

Here's mine. . . .

http://i765.photobucket.com/albums/x...s/CIMG4746.jpg

http://i765.photobucket.com/albums/x...s/CIMG3818.jpg

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jkjeeper06 12-26-2010 07:07 PM

As far as sport vs sahara I would absolutely go with the sport. If you are going to buy a new vehicle you are going to care about your paint. I know I do and I makes me extra careful on the trail. With the sport you get the luxury of plastic fenders that you can't really scratch. It gives you less to worry about. Plus in the city or anywhere really, if someone opens their door into your jeep it will just hit the fender and won't scratch it. Bushewhacker makes painted aftermarket flares that you can upgrade to eventually if you want.

On the sport manual: I have the 6 speed and absolutely love it. Even on steep trails I rarely need the clutch so it's not hard to do clutch and brake and gas. I can idle at an extremely low speed (it feels like 1 or 2 mph) idk how slow the auto can crawl but I would imagine it is faster since the 1st gear ratio is lower(wheels spin faster for each rotation of engine).

jkjeeper06 12-26-2010 07:08 PM

You also get better mileage which is a big plus and it can be more fun to drive on the street if you get a manual

JIMBOX 12-26-2010 07:12 PM

:cool: There's nothing lower than the Rubi 4-1 xfer case in 1st gear auto or stick and auto you can stop on a rock for 20 minutes without touching ANYTHING-

The stick has "no stall" but I'm afraid that must wear out clutchs pretty fast !!

:rofl::rofl: JIMBO

DKS 12-26-2010 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by guygettnby (Post 946535)
i wouldnt waste money on the sahara unless you like the comfort features it provides. (Is there any that the sport can't be equipped with for less total cost??)the infinity sound system is a nice upgrade from stock but still not a good system IMO ... cheaper and better to build your own sound system if you have the money for it. the auto works fine for me on 32's and the fact the JK is so under powered there is no way around it far from a hemi swap. (They Do have a Supercharger kit available, too, lol)having a 6 speed or auto is really not going to make a difference in power for you.

the biggest thing here is getting what you personally like and what you can deal with paying for. if your happy with it, thats all that matters and anything can be done to the jeep.

the sahara was what i chose personally and i like all the little features it has. (Which are What? I thought all the difference between the two was the color matching on the exterior which doesn't matter on black anyway)i was however very upset with a few things after i did my research. i have an auto and drove a buddies 6 speed awhile back, i felt no improvement in power what so ever besides the extra jerk from shifting. MPG we average around the same if we both act like grannies when we drive. so 6 or auto is more of a preference IMO (Exactly the kind of input I was looking for, thank you sir)

i hope some of this helped you out in some way. i wish you the best of luck with your new coming JK and hope you enjoy it.

Thanks again.

ZOMB1E 12-26-2010 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DKS (Post 946614)
Nice rides. Do you miss the Mustang at all?? I'm just way more of a 4x4 guy than I am a car guy. I like to have room, not have to worry about running up on curbs, sit higher up, and did I mention having room!!

Here's mine. . . .

Nice ride yourself!

The only time I miss my mustang, is when some clown is riding my ass. I definitely had to get used owning a low speed thrill ride. Even with the 4.88's it can seem like forever to get moving from a dead stop.

DKS 12-26-2010 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by jkjeeper06 (Post 946634)
As far as sport vs sahara I would absolutely go with the sport. If you are going to buy a new vehicle you are going to care about your paint. I know I do and I makes me extra careful on the trail. With the sport you get the luxury of plastic fenders that you can't really scratch. It gives you less to worry about. Plus in the city or anywhere really, if someone opens their door into your jeep it will just hit the fender and won't scratch it. Bushewhacker makes painted aftermarket flares that you can upgrade to eventually if you want.


You have no idea, lol I'm a detailer on the side and I do car shows on the regular. Look at my Mustang. . . .

http://i765.photobucket.com/albums/x...s/CIMG4519.jpg

http://i765.photobucket.com/albums/x...s/CIMG4518.jpg

http://i765.photobucket.com/albums/x...s/CIMG3985.jpg

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Yeah, I'm very concerned with my paint, lol

I had actually taken into consideration all the things you said about the fenders, etc. into my decision. I'm 99.9% going with the Sport unless someone can show me something the Sahara has (other than the painted parts on the exterior) that I can't get in the sport.

As far as the Auto Vs. Manual. I live in the country, but I do a lot of city driving. If the MPG and Power isn't an issue between the two, I'll for sure go auto. I like to shift something with power for fun, but a big SUV, I'm chillin in it, lol :punk:

Texas TC 12-26-2010 07:55 PM

My only input is to stay away from the 3.21 gear ratio whether you go with the 6 speed manual or automatic. I truly wish the sport came with 4.10 gear on the 2011 like I had on my 2007 Wrangler. I think the only unit you can get with a 4.10 is the Rubicon. I wish they had not changed that.

I have owned both the 6 speed manual and the automatic and I prefer the automatic especially if you are going to use it as a daily driver in any kind of traffic or stop and go driving.

DKS 12-26-2010 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Texas TC (Post 946769)
My only input is to stay away from the 3.21 gear ratio whether you go with the 6 speed manual or automatic. I truly wish the sport came with 4.10 gear on the 2011 like I had on my 2007 Wrangler. I think the only unit you can get with a 4.10 is the Rubicon. I wish they had not changed that.

I have owned both the 6 speed manual and the automatic and I prefer the automatic especially if you are going to use it as a daily driver in any kind of traffic or stop and go driving.


From what I understand the auto only comes in a 3.73 in 2011.

Thanks for the input. Will the 3.73 be OK with 33-35" tires?? Or will I have to change the gears, too?

Texas TC 12-26-2010 08:14 PM

The taller tires will raise your gear ratio. I would think is would be advisable to go to the 4.10 but I do not have first hand experience here. I just know that the 3.73 on my 2011 does not have the same torque feel that I had with my 2007 with 4.10 gears.

I am sure some of the folks on the WF that have the taller tires will chime in and let you know if you are going to be happy with the 3.73 with gorilla tires. LOL

daggo66 12-26-2010 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DKS (Post 946773)
From what I understand the auto only comes in a 3.73 in 2011.

Thanks for the input. Will the 3.73 be OK with 33-35" tires?? Or will I have to change the gears, too?

If you go with the auto you will need to purchase a programmer to change the shift points when you add the larger tires or it will drive like a slug. A manual takes care of that for you.

When dealing with a Jeep you can throw away your stick in a car auto in a truck theory.

DKS 12-26-2010 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by daggo66 (Post 946906)
If you go with the auto you will need to purchase a programmer to change the shift points when you add the larger tires or it will drive like a slug. A manual takes care of that for you.

When dealing with a Jeep you can throw away your stick in a car auto in a truck theory.


That's kind of what I've heard. Just trying to figure out all the reasons why. I had a 5 speed in my Cherokee with larger tires and didn't have a problem with it. Loved it off road (which it saw a lot of) But hated it in the city.
My GC is an auto and I love it on and off road.
My Durango was of course an auto and it was decked out for O/R as well. Loved it, too.

I've had a lot of performance cars, and I love straights in them when I'm playing. But since the Jeep isn't exactly a performance car that I'll be powershifting and corner carving in, I'd rather have an auto so I can sit back and chill when I'm driving in the city (unless someone can show me that the 6 speed performs better in the Wrangler)

Like I say, I get all the auto vs. manual arguments in general. That's not my concern. I know some people like a 6 speed because they are "fun" which they are in a fast car, but I don't need to shift to have "fun" in a jeep with 35" tires, lol

Some cars are just lame in autos. Like the new Camaro. The ETs on an auto vs a manual are extremely different.

Now on an S197 Mustang auto vs manual, there is no where near as much of a difference. Some cars just suck with certain trannys. Just making sure the wrangler/auto combo isn't one of those.

Seems like there are several auto owners that don't seem to regret their choice.

joe002 12-26-2010 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DKS (Post 946743)
...Yeah, I'm very concerned with my paint, lol...

Don't ever take you Jeep off-road (at least not in AZ). You'll never get the paint back into shape.

joe002 12-26-2010 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DKS (Post 947130)
I know some people like a 6 speed because they are "fun" which they are in a fast car, but I don't need to shift to have "fun" in a jeep with 35" tires, lol.

That's a great statement.

adrenaline 12-26-2010 10:18 PM

I prefer a manual transmission especially in anything less than a V8. It is my preference I know others prefer auto's, but when it comes down to it neither is better than the other, and it is all in how you drive and what you prefer. After all you are the one that is stuck with your decision.

JIMBOX 12-27-2010 08:26 AM

:cool: Heh Heh, I've had 5 corvettes and I would never have an AUTO in a corvette, but


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Originally Posted by DKS (Post 947130)
That's kind of what I've heard. Just trying to figure out all the reasons why. I had a 5 speed in my Cherokee with larger tires and didn't have a problem with it. Loved it off road (which it saw a lot of) But hated it in the city.
My GC is an auto and I love it on and off road.
My Durango was of course an auto and it was decked out for O/R as well. Loved it, too.

I've had a lot of performance cars, and I love straights in them when I'm playing. But since the Jeep isn't exactly a performance car that I'll be powershifting and corner carving in, I'd rather have an auto so I can sit back and chill when I'm driving in the city (unless someone can show me that the 6 speed performs better in the Wrangler)

Like I say, I get all the auto vs. manual arguments in general. That's not my concern. I know some people like a 6 speed because they are "fun" which they are in a fast car, but I don't need to shift to have "fun" in a jeep with 35" tires, lol

Some cars are just lame in autos. Like the new Camaro. The ETs on an auto vs a manual are extremely different.

Now on an S197 Mustang auto vs manual, there is no where near as much of a difference. Some cars just suck with certain trannys. Just making sure the wrangler/auto combo isn't one of those.

Seems like there are several auto owners that don't seem to regret their choice.

After 13 4wds I'll never have a stick in a 4wd again, thats why my last 4 were AUTOS and especially this '08 JKU Rubi-

No comparison for Rocking/sanding/off-cambering and RECOVERY of stuckees, Auto all the way, but

If it's your first jeep and you're young-getta stick, you can't learn without starting with the basics !

:rofl::rofl: JIMBO

DKS 12-27-2010 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by JIMBOX (Post 947802)
:cool: Heh Heh, I've had 5 corvettes and I would never have an AUTO in a corvette, but




After 13 4wds I'll never have a stick in a 4wd again, thats why my last 4 were AUTOS and especially this '08 JKU Rubi-

No comparison for Rocking/sanding/off-cambering and RECOVERY of stuckees, Auto all the way, but

If it's your first jeep and you're young-getta stick, you can't learn without starting with the basics !


:rofl::rofl: JIMBO


I'm 33. But I think after all the vehicles I've had, I'll chalk it up that I'm past starting out and get what I want (An Automatic).

As I said above, I've past the point of needing a straight for "fun" I can power shift with the best of them on the old 1320, so I'm not out to prove anything by buying a stick.

I had just heard so many people say "get the standard" I wanted to know if there was something wrong with the auto.

Since the performance doesn't seem to be an issue, I'd rather have the freedom and comfort of the automatic.

Thanks for all the input guys.


As far as the above statement about getting a programmer for the auto to set the shift points, etc. etc.

I pretty much put a tuner on anything I get. Anyone got any recommendations for me??

I personally like the SCT tuners for performance cars. But what do most of the Jeep guys use??

JIMBOX 12-27-2010 09:10 AM

:D There's a lot of pros/cons for the Superchip/hyperchip, as far as increased mileage/power/parachute release/ and auto shift point changes--believem if you want to-


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Originally Posted by DKS (Post 947822)
I'm 33. But I think after all the vehicles I've had, I'll chalk it up that I'm past starting out and get what I want (An Automatic).

As I said above, I've past the point of needing a straight for "fun" I can power shift with the best of them on the old 1320, so I'm not out to prove anything by buying a stick.

I had just heard so many people say "get the standard" I wanted to know if there was something wrong with the auto.

Since the performance doesn't seem to be an issue, I'd rather have the freedom and comfort of the automatic.

Thanks for all the input guys.


As far as the above statement about getting a programmer for the auto to set the shift points, etc. etc.

I pretty much put a tuner on anything I get. Anyone got any recommendations for me??

I personally like the SCT tuners for performance cars. But what do most of the Jeep guys use??

I use the AEV Procal Module ($149 bucks) and it does everthing except alter tune, for premium/regular gas-

If it's your daily driver-you may want to chance the more expensive programmers ($300 bucks)--it's up to you !!

I'm very happy with my AEVPM and my JKU is a hobby !!

Good luck

:rofl::rofl: JIMBO

h2otoo 12-27-2010 09:32 AM

My two cents, when I was looking for a jeep I decided a manual if I went 2dr, auto for a 4dr. Not sure why, guess the 4dr seems more like a full size SUV and just seemed like a better fit. I went with the 2dr manual and I am happy with it. Have to admit, though, the extra room in the 4dr would make it a more "practical" vehicle.

Bob:wavey:

DKS 12-27-2010 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by JIMBOX (Post 947844)
:D There's a lot of pros/cons for the Superchip/hyperchip, as far as increased mileage/power/parachute release/ and auto shift point changes--believem if you want to-




I use the AEV Procal Module ($149 bucks) and it does everthing except alter tune, for premium/regular gas-

If it's your daily driver-you may want to chance the more expensive programmers ($300 bucks)--it's up to you !!

I'm very happy with my AEVPM and my JKU is a hobby !!

Good luck

:rofl::rofl: JIMBO

I'll for sure check into those. Thanks. I hear you one the MPG/HP hype. I've seen it with some performance cars, and Diesel Trucks, but most of it is BS when it comes to most vehicles.

Mine is not going to be a DD for several years. But it's going to be a weekend nice weather warrior until the new wears off, lol No mud or snow for awhile.

I'll keep my GC for my DD/Bad weather/Off Road Fun/etc. until the wheels fall off.


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