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MTH 01-02-2011 03:04 PM

Suspension Improvement as a Slight Lift?
 
Folks,

I'm looking to remove the factory rake, which would require bumping the front up about an inch. I could also perhaps be interested in bumping up the back about an inch, but then I'd probably want the front to go up two inches, etc.

I originally intended to do this with spacers or a leveling kit, but it occurs to me that since I'm not looking for much height (indeed, I may keep the rear as is) and I am not trying to compensate for any extra weight, I should investigate whether I can actually accomplish my goals through suspension IMPROVEMENTS rather than purely aesthetic spacers/levelers.

I'm thinking new high quality springs or shocks maybe? If these could cause a an inch or two of lift, can anybody think of a set up that'd put about an inch up front while leaving the rear at factory(ish) height, or, alternatively, that would put about two inches up front and one in the rear? If it would all rise and fall together, I suppose another possibility is to add shocks/springs that give me an inch or so all around but then also add an inch of spacers upfront.

Any thoughts would be appreciated, particularly shock/spring recommendations.

Thanks,
Mike

noprowrangler 01-02-2011 07:09 PM

hey mth,
I'm new to the forum. I thought I'd chime in because the factory rake has been buggin' me too. 2010 Sport 2dr....

my solution ( I hope ):

Ordered stouter OEM front coil springs - from "14" to "18's"

my concerns:

getting enough lift - hoping it doesn't effect the ride too much (stiff) -
(considering ordering gas shocks to help w/ the ride)

keeping the factory appearance if I ever had any warrenty issues

springs should be in a couple of days.... we'll see

daggo66 01-02-2011 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by noprowrangler (Post 960345)
hey mth,
I'm new to the forum. I thought I'd chime in because the factory rake has been buggin' me too. 2010 Sport 2dr....

my solution ( I hope ):

Ordered stouter OEM front coil springs - from "14" to "18's"

my concerns:

getting enough lift - hoping it doesn't effect the ride too much (stiff) -
(considering ordering gas shocks to help w/ the ride)

keeping the factory appearance if I ever had any warrenty issues

springs should be in a couple of days.... we'll see

Gas shocks will stiffen the ride.

daggo66 01-02-2011 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MTH (Post 959849)
Folks,

I'm looking to remove the factory rake, which would require bumping the front up about an inch. I could also perhaps be interested in bumping up the back about an inch, but then I'd probably want the front to go up two inches, etc.

I originally intended to do this with spacers or a leveling kit, but it occurs to me that since I'm not looking for much height (indeed, I may keep the rear as is) and I am not trying to compensate for any extra weight, I should investigate whether I can actually accomplish my goals through suspension IMPROVEMENTS rather than purely aesthetic spacers/levelers.

I'm thinking new high quality springs or shocks maybe? If these could cause a an inch or two of lift, can anybody think of a set up that'd put about an inch up front while leaving the rear at factory(ish) height, or, alternatively, that would put about two inches up front and one in the rear? If it would all rise and fall together, I suppose another possibility is to add shocks/springs that give me an inch or so all around but then also add an inch of spacers upfront.

Any thoughts would be appreciated, particularly shock/spring recommendations.

Thanks,
Mike

http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/con...wap-55849.html


Let me know if you have any questions.

MTH 01-02-2011 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daggo66

http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/con...wap-55849.html

Let me know if you have any questions.

Holy cow, that was just about perfect. Some simple follow ups:

(1) No concern about driveshafts with a 2" lift all around? I would think not, but I've developed a healthy sense of paranoia about those.
(2) There was one post that touched on your shocks being stock height, but your Jeep now effectively being lifted 2". Are you still good with that? If you had it to do again, would you get shocks that assume a 2" lift? I would think they should match, but I'm a noob the topic.

Thanks.

daggo66 01-02-2011 08:48 PM

I haven't had any issue with the shocks at all. The combination of the HD coils and the gas shocks gives it a very stiff ride, but that is exactly what I wanted. The so called rake is less pronouced on a 2 door than a 4. I've seen some people correct for it and it looks like their Jeep is taking a dump.

MTH 01-02-2011 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daggo66
The so called rake is less pronouced on a 2 door than a 4. I've seen some people correct for it and it looks like their Jeep is taking a dump.

Bingo. The lines on the 4 door are longer--it's been hard for me to "unsee" the rake after I saw it.

Got to watch the over correction. I'd say an extra inch tops, which might still leave a slight rake. The folks who toss in two inches if puck on the front and do nothing in the rear look like, well, yes, like they're taking a dump.

daggo66 01-02-2011 09:08 PM

Add HD coils and these in the front. Daystar KJ09139BK - Daystar Comfort Ride ¾" Front Lift for 07-11 Jeep® Wrangler & Wrangler Unlimited JK - Quadratec

The first step is to determine what coils you currently have. There should be a tag on them. The last 2 numbers are the ones that tell you the spring rate.

MTH 01-02-2011 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daggo66
Add HD coils and these in the front. Daystar KJ09139BK - Daystar Comfort Ride ¾" Front Lift for 07-11 Jeep® Wrangler & Wrangler Unlimited JK - Quadratec

The first step is to determine what coils you currently have. There should be a tag on them. The last 2 numbers are the ones that tell you the spring rate.

Presuming I don't already have top level coils or close, I think that'll be a perfect solution. Certainly more functional than a four puck "leveling kit."

I've got a 4 door, but it's a soft top without a tow package, so my guess is my coils have room to improve. I'm going to check first thing in the morning.

I know you don't know first hand, but any concerns about doing this with stock shocks?

rics1997 01-02-2011 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daggo66 (Post 960370)
http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/con...wap-55849.html


Let me know if you have any questions.

I just did this to. I went from stock 14 front 56 rear to Stock 19 front 60 rears. It cost $180 including shipping cost direct from Jeep. It raised mine 1 1/4" over all and I added TeraFlex 1" spacers in the front to level up the front for 2 1/4" which cost $39.95 from Quadratic. Love the look it gave the Jeep.

daggo66 01-02-2011 10:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MTH (Post 960928)
Presuming I don't already have top level coils or close, I think that'll be a perfect solution. Certainly more functional than a four puck "leveling kit."

I've got a 4 door, but it's a soft top without a tow package, so my guess is my coils have room to improve. I'm going to check first thing in the morning.

I know you don't know first hand, but any concerns about doing this with stock shocks?

You shouldn't have any issues. If you have any plan whatsoever about going to heavier duty shocks, it would be very simple to do it at the same time. The stock hydro shocks are very weak. I was surprised how easy they were to compress by hand. Whereas the Bilsteins can hardly be budged by hand.

MTH 01-02-2011 10:16 PM

Why go with Mopar springs by the way?

Warranty concerns? Mopar prices are actually competitive? "Tag numbers" on the springs are only understandable when comparing Mopar to Mopar?

Folks just seem to rarely use Mopar.

daggo66 01-02-2011 10:24 PM

My main reason was to have the best stock suspension I could have. The 2" lift I gained was a nice by-product. It still looks good with the 32" tires. Right now I have no plans to go larger, but if my plans change in the future I could easily fit 33's.

As far as I know the tag numbers are only comparable with Mopar springs. I did a lot of research and a lot of reading on the secondary thread that is post within my thread. It's from JK Forum. If you read some of the posts on there you will see that I was really skeptical that you would gain any lift.

I saw it for myself when I removed the first front spring and held it next to the new one. Not only were the coils thicker, but the was about 1 and 1/2 more coils. I measured before and after just to make sure it was actual and not a placebo effect.

rics1997 01-02-2011 10:27 PM

I mainly just wanted stiffer springs because of the XHD bumper and winch and was going to tow a small camper this summer. The lift was just a pleasant side effect and I was worried about warranty a little and since this was a cheap fix and stock so Jeep couldn't complain about it if something happened then I felt more comfortable with the choice.

noprowrangler 01-03-2011 03:27 AM

That's the great thing about a wrangler...

You can mod it in so many different ways...

all to your personal choice...

all for your personal desired results...

AND help revive the ecomony by spending your hard earned US dollars...

(euros, etc.)

It's a Jeep thing... so they say

Jeff

MTH 01-06-2011 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daggo66 (Post 960773)
The first step is to determine what coils you currently have. There should be a tag on them. The last 2 numbers are the ones that tell you the spring rate.

Finally checked my coils today. I've got 17s in front and 58s in the rear. So I'd suspect I won't get much boost going to 19s and 60s. :(

The guy at the shop that installed my spacers was recommending either a TeraFlex leveling kit or, if I wanted to be more ambitious, this OME set up for a modest boost. I might just toss in a front puck and call it a day . . . don't know. I've got to think about it now!

daggo66 01-06-2011 01:25 PM

I agree. It's not worth going to 19's and 60's.

gdub 01-06-2011 01:37 PM

I would recommend the Rock Krawler Stock Mod - the ride is better than stock and if you ever change (or have a reason to change - think accident) bumpers - the sag will not kill you. I put 100 lbs of sandbags on the front and the front only went down < 1/4"

MTH 01-06-2011 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gdub (Post 970046)
I would recommend the Rock Krawler Stock Mod - the ride is better than stock and if you ever change (or have a reason to change - think accident) bumpers - the sag will not kill you. I put 100 lbs of sandbags on the front and the front only went down < 1/4"

This one? Looks pretty straightforward--beyond the track bar, it's basically a beefier set of coil springs. Sort of a compromise between stock HD coil springs and the OME lift, which would include shocks etc.

I wonder how the Rock Krawler springs compare to the stock HD springs. Did you really get 2.5" of lift? I wonder what the numbers were on your old springs.

gdub 01-06-2011 02:11 PM

I had the same numbers as you did 17's and 58's...

I got 3" in front and 2" in back - plus or minus a inch - LOL...

I also put the Bilstein 5100's in... The trackbar is awesome - re-centers your front axle and really beefs up the trackbar and no flight steering. In the rear with the bomb proof bracket, it also re-aligns the track bar as well...

The biggest thing is with the front springs - they are progressive rate and man, what a change in ride...

Here's a pic with the lift and tires...

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n...c/25bfef6b.jpg


And one without

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n...0/IMG_0854.jpg

Grog 01-06-2011 02:18 PM

Terflex makes a Performance Levelling Kit which is two inch coils in front and one inch coils in back. You might want to check it out

MTH 01-06-2011 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gdub (Post 970110)
I had the same numbers as you did 17's and 58's...

I got 3" in front and 2" in back - plus or minus a inch - LOL...

That thing looks awesome. Was the kit designed to take the rake out, or was that happenstance?

Also, I gotta ask: Driveshafts?? 3" is a long way . . .

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grog (Post 970133)
Terflex makes a Performance Levelling Kit which is two inch coils in front and one inch coils in back. You might want to check it out

I've only seen this one, which is basically just a set of pucks.

Grog 01-06-2011 02:39 PM

They have this one too

JK 1.5" Performance Leveling Kit - Teraflex Products | TeraFlex Suspensions

MTH 01-06-2011 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grog (Post 970205)

Cool, thanks.

gdub 01-06-2011 03:16 PM

No new driveshafts - the angle barely changed actually... Rock Krawler makes some great stuff - give Jeremy a call and he will answer almost any question...

It's designed to compensate the rake - most are - especially if they are listed as 1/2 sizes (2.5, 3.5, etc.)

Let me know if you need a hook up on a vendor, cause I know a few good ones - both here and other forums...

The driveshaft issue primarily comes into play on the rear - since the long shaft and angle... Oh and the skid, etc...

I forgot about the Tereflex Spring leveling kit - can't speak to overall stiffness of those springs - but TF does make very good products for sure...

gdub 01-06-2011 03:24 PM

Oh one other route you might look at - it's a bit expensive, but pretty cool...

Search Results - Quadratec

MTH 01-06-2011 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gdub (Post 970355)
Oh one other route you might look at - it's a bit expensive, but pretty cool...

Search Results - Quadratec


Too . . . many . . . choices . . . brain . . . hurts . . . :D

MTH 01-09-2011 10:58 PM

Alright I've got it--put in the HD springs upfront and leave the rear as is.

In other words, go from 17s to 19s up front, but leave the rear 58s in place.

I can't be sure until it's done of course, but I bet that'd take out the rake while leaving me with an entirely "stock" suspension. Plus I don't have to be too worried about "over correcting" for the rake, given that 19s and 60s would of course leave the rake intact, while I'd be running 19s and 58s.

I suppose there could be some concern over using HDs upfront while non-HDs in the rear, but it's hard to believe it'd be any worse for the Jeep than pucks.

Worst case scenario would appear to be that I only partially get rid of the rake, which might be enough for me anyway.

Please let me know if this plan induces any great panic . . . .

daggo66 01-09-2011 11:31 PM

It's fine. The front takes a beating off road and you'd always want the best stuff up front. Back in the day they used to make dual shock kits for the front of Jeeps.

MTH 01-10-2011 02:10 PM

Dammit.

Daggo, a little help here if you've got a moment. Take a look at this (Chrysler Parts Center - Call (800) 519-5279 for Genuine Dodge Parts, Genuine OEM Chrysler Parts and Accessories, Dodge Parts, Jeep Parts, Plymouth Parts, Eagle Parts).

The only set that appear to be heavy duty are also specifically designated "Rear suspension." You wouldn't happen to have the part number of your front 19s would you?

Thanks.

Edit: It appears I can't link straight to the Chrysler Parts page I'm talking about. In essense, I tried it two ways: Word search for "coil spring" under the 2010 Wrangler and only get an HD option for the rears, and also using the click menus to go though both the front and rear suspension components which also only showed HD coils for the rears.


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