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Don M 01-09-2011 04:39 PM

2010 Islander, what is "Performance Suspension"
 
Hi,

my second post here,
please bear with me and sorry for the long post but i'm on a mission to find my first jeep. i'm looking at 2010 models

what ive found a Sport S that has the following optional equipment,

Customer Preferred Package 23S----------$ 2,185
Air Conditioning
P255/75R17 OWL On- / Off-Road Tires
17-Inch Aluminum Wheels
Speed Control
Leather-Wrapped Steering Wheel
Trailer Tow Group -------------------------$ 320
Trailer Hitch Receiver
Trailer Sway Damping
3.73 Rear Axle Ratio
Trailer Tow with 4-Pin Wiring Connector
Trac-Lok Limited Slip Rear Differential--------------$ 295
Deep Tint Sunscreen Windows-----------------------$ 300
Black Easy Folding Soft Top
MSRP $ 25,015.00

i've also found this islander with the following options and i'm trying to justify the option costs to compare jeep to jeep.

OPTIONAL EQUIPMENT
Customer Preferred Package 23Y----------$ 3,305
BF Goodrich Brand Tires
Cloth Seats with Islander Logo
"Islander" Badge
Islander Package
Leather Steering Wheel with Blue Stitch
LT255/75R17 BSW Off-Road Tires
Slush Mats by Mopar
Performance Suspension
Air Conditioning
Tubular Side Steps
Speed Control
Dual Top Group-----------------------------$ 1,625
Freedom Panel Storage Bag
Delete Sunrider Soft Top
Freedom Top 3-Piece Modular Hard Top
Rear Window Wiper / Washer
Rear Window Defroster
Tinted Rear Quarter and Liftgate Windows
Trailer Tow Group-----------------------------$ 320
Trailer Hitch Receiver
Trailer Sway Damping
3.73 Rear Axle Ratio
Trailer Tow with 4-Pin Wiring Connector
Power Convenience Group $ 585
Power Windows with Front One-Touch-
Down Feature
Power Locks
Remote Keyless Entry
Security Alarm
Trac-Lok Limited Slip Rear Differential-------$ 295
Deep Tint Sunscreen Windows---------------$ 300
Engine Block Heater--------------------------$ 35
SIRIUS Satellite Radio------------------------$ 195
1-Year SIRIUS Radio Service
For More Information, Call
DESTINATION CHARGE ----------------------$ 750
MSRP $ 28,575.00

on my first go around email with these dealers,
sport s came back @ $20,510.00 (18% off list)
islander price came back @ $25,808.00 (10% off list)

my 3 question's (for now)are:
1 whats the Performance Suspension and what would it cost to add it to the sport s ?
2 how much would a hard top and the wiring harness cost
3 is there anything else other than red items above to make up the $1200.00 difference between the s and the islander?
4 whats the better tire, the ones on the s or the on's on the islander?

don

Whoville Islander 01-09-2011 05:35 PM

The Islanders were very limited production for 2010. Not every dealer got them and from what I understand, if they did, they got a 2 door and a 4 door only. Part of the suspension upgrade was Rubi shocks and springs. The seats and badge markings include the hood badge. Seats have the TIKI guy on the headrests, blue inserts on the seats, blue stitching on the steering wheel wrap. We have the TIKI guy spare tire cover too. Floor mats have Jeep tire tread pattern on them and tall sides to catch water/mud. The hard tops are not cheap, think they are around $2500. (don't quote me on that). Have not seen a used one for the Unlimited. Most likely the S model doesn't have the power window/ doors option. The TIKI stuff does no good for off-roading, but my wife loves her "little tiki dudes" riding shotgun. What it comes down to is being able to buy a Jeep that stands apart from every other Jeep when you drive it off the lot.

Grog 01-09-2011 05:45 PM

Yeah, the performance suspension is rubi shocks and springs. If you lift the jeep they would go away anyway. The hardtop though, goes for over $2000 and you may not be able to order it. They are in very short supply and are difficult to ship. the dual top option is worth the difference in price

jkjeeper06 01-09-2011 05:49 PM

If u ask your dealer if they have any "take off hard tops" where someone bought a jeep with the dual package but sold the hard top back to the dealer for a cheaper invoice. This is going to be the cheapest option. I was quoted at 1800 INSTALLED for one of these. If I didn't want the wiper or defroster to work they said they could sell it to me for 1500. This is a pretty good deal. They can't sell it as new because it was previously installed but it wasn't really used so you would get a new top for cheaper

John412 01-09-2011 06:05 PM

That price on the sport is good. I bought a 2010 sport for 21800 and that was about the going price in my area. It's the basic package but that's what me ad alot of people wanted because your not wasting money on useless power stuff, navigation and painted fender flares and saving literally 5000+ dollars. Take the cheapest sport you can find and make it your own if that's what you really want. Unless you have a rubicon package there basically all the same off road other than gearing and tires. The tires you can easily upgrade and the gearing is not crucial unless you are doing serious crawling If you plan on going wheeling often just get a rubi and be done with it. The rest is "luxury" trim and stuff.

Don M 01-09-2011 06:55 PM

heres question 4,

are the seats in the islander the same as the seats in the sport being different only in color and the logo or are they a better quality in comfort and build?

if i could get the islander priced down to say $24,500.00 what would be the better buy the S at $20,500.00 or the islander?

i live in Montana.

don

ps: both are 2 door and both are stick.

John412 01-09-2011 07:00 PM

Now that I see Montana I see the reason for the cheaper prices. I am not really familiar with the islander but if you have the 32" a/t tires and some nicer interior and the shocks and stuff I would say go for it. I like the decals of the islander. Kinda funny with that in your part of the country I would imagine.
Good luck on whatever you decide.

Texas TC 01-09-2011 07:28 PM

The hardtops list for $2200.00 for the two door and $2330.00 for the Unlimited.

Hard Top - Jeep Wrangler - Item # 82209922, 82209923, 82209924, 82209925, 82211986, 82211987, 82211988, & 82211989

Don M 01-09-2011 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John412 (Post 978080)
Now that I see Montana I see the reason for the cheaper prices. I am not really familiar with the islander but if you have the 32" a/t tires and some nicer interior and the shocks and stuff I would say go for it. I like the decals of the islander. Kinda funny with that in your part of the country I would imagine.
Good luck on whatever you decide.

John,

they both have 32" tires, the sport is an "S" (preferred package 23S) and comes with P225/75R17 OWL.
the other sweet part here is that theres also no sales tax here in Montana but the sport is 350 miles from home and the Islander is 250 miles away.

another wrench to my decision making process is that theres also a Sahara 300 miles away that has a MSRP $29385.00, or $800.00 more than the Islander and can be had for the same price as the islander.

don

JeeperJake 01-09-2011 08:32 PM

Don M:
you have picked the same package I intended to buy on a Sport S 4 door. After way too long dickering & driving everybody nuts I ran across a perfect 2 year old with 15000 miles on it for such a spectacular price it must have been waiting for *just*me* to come along.

Having just bought a like-new Sahara I'm partial already to some of those 'frills' I designated at being not interested in a few months ago.

Mine came with a '24G' package I hadn't identified before. There is 'SDUS Heavy Duty Suspension w/Gas Shocks', front & rear stabilizer bars, and 18" wheels I didn't see on the 24S package I thought I was going to buy. It does ride really well for me.

The colored fenders remain the only option it has that I haven't grown fond of yet. Glad I got both tops although probably will never use the soft top.

I don't know anyone who actually speaks highly of the navigation unit. Nor do I care for the little special decals & embroidery on the seats.

Given heavy rain, sleet, snow & temp of below freezing since I purchased, I can barely wait to get at least ONE of the top pieces off and go for a drive about.

Whatever you get, will be more fun than what you've already got regardless of which you choose.

MTH 01-09-2011 08:51 PM

If you're not going lift it, the suspension and the hardtop justify the price difference.

On top of that, you'll quickly appreciate the uniqueness of your special edition. I've only seen one islander in the five months I've had my Jeep.

dfwislander 01-09-2011 09:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Don M
heres question 4,

are the seats in the islander the same as the seats in the sport being different only in color and the logo or are they a better quality in comfort and build?

if i could get the islander priced down to say $24,500.00 what would be the better buy the S at $20,500.00 or the islander?

i live in Montana.

don

ps: both are 2 door and both are stick.

If you don't plan to upgrade suspension anytime soon, the upgraded shocks and springs make quite a difference in ride from the sport. Also, the islander has the same BFG mt's as the rubi

MTH 01-09-2011 10:07 PM

By the way, as to your original question, "Performance Suspension"=Gas (rather than hydraulic) shocks as well as stiffer coil springs on the front and rear. It's a real improvement, not a made up name.

Don M 01-10-2011 01:13 PM

thanks for the replies,

my search continues!!

don

BlackMountain 01-10-2011 01:26 PM

does the mountain edition come with this suspension too?

MTH 01-10-2011 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackMountain (Post 979775)
does the mountain edition come with this suspension too?

Nobody ever seems sure of this. I don't believe mine did--my window sticker makes no mention of it and I don't think Chrysler's in the habit of giving "freebies."

However, I just saw in another post that somebody found a "Rubicon take off" suspension (which would be the performance suspension) and it was using the same coil springs I have.

I don't know if I've got the gas shocks or not. Probably not, but I don't know how the look of the two types of stock shocks differ, so I haven't really tried to get under my Jeep to look. I've just assumed the answer is "no."

BlackMountain 01-10-2011 01:42 PM

why is the moutain edition sticker price more than the islander if it doesnt come with the suspension?

MTH 01-10-2011 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackMountain (Post 979797)
why is the moutain edition sticker price more than the islander if it doesnt come with the suspension?

Before any options are added, there's only a few hundred bucks between them.

In any event, I don't think it comes standard with the Islander either. Check this out (Jeep - Compare Vehicle and Model Specifications - Highlights) and compare the Mountain, Islander, and Rubicon. Only the Rubicon lists a "performance suspension" as an "Additional Feature."

I think the performance suspension on the Islander found by the OP was probably added by the dealer after it pulled off that same suspension to lift a Rubi on its lot. Could have been added by Chrysler too I suppose, though it wasn't an "option" you could select select on a "build you own" Mountain online.

AgtSunshine 01-10-2011 03:05 PM

If my memory serves correctly, both Islander and Mountain have the Rubi suspension...just not the drive components.

Look under a a new Sport, Sahara and Rubi. The Rubi will have RED shocks (Heavy Duty). The others will not.

What color are the shocks on the Mountain and Islander? If RED, then you have your answer.

bluefox 01-10-2011 03:24 PM

The shocks on mine Mountain is black. The window sticker package 23X is $4,005.00

MTH 01-10-2011 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bluefox (Post 979949)
The shocks on mine Mountain is black. The window sticker package 23X is $4,005.00

To clarify a Mountain Edition stereotype . . . .

Yes, a Mountain package adds $4k to the cost of the underlying Sport. However, people are often unaware that this includes a lot of commonly added upgrades like power windows, power locks, side steps, upgraded wheels, Rubi tires, etc.

If you would have added these features to your Sport anyway, then the Mountain package really only adds about $1000 to the cost of the Jeep. That extra $1000 gets you the items typically associated with the Mountain Edition, such as different seat covers, the hood decals, a grey grille, a black gas cap cover, tail light guards, slush mats, etc.

I only mention this because I often hear that Mountain and Islander owners paid $4000 "for stickers," or that for "almost the same amount" they could have bought a similarly equipped Rubi. Neither of these claims is correct.

BTW, nice Jeep bluefox. ;)

bflank 01-10-2011 04:16 PM

The BFG tires are almost certainly the MT's, like the Rubicon. Far superior to the on/off road tire that come standard on the Sport. Our 2009 X came with the on/off road tires and we paid the dealer $500 to swap them out for the MT's. If you intend to use your JK offroad the tire choice is obvious MT. If you will be mostly on pavement then the other tires will be a bit quieter.

BTW, the tubular side step on the Islander are fairly useless and possibly a detriment offroad. They do collect mud right handily though.

Don M 01-10-2011 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MTH (Post 979806)
Before any options are added, there's only a few hundred bucks between them.

In any event, I don't think it comes standard with the Islander either. Check this out (Jeep - Compare Vehicle and Model Specifications - Highlights) and compare the Mountain, Islander, and Rubicon. Only the Rubicon lists a "performance suspension" as an "Additional Feature."

I think the performance suspension on the Islander found by the OP was probably added by the dealer after it pulled off that same suspension to lift a Rubi on its lot. Could have been added by Chrysler too I suppose, though it wasn't an "option" you could select select on a "build you own" Mountain online.

the performance suspension was part of the Customer Preferred Package 23Y package from the factory here,

Customer Preferred Package 23Y
BF Goodrich Brand Tires
Cloth Seats with Islander Logo
"Islander" Badge
Islander Package
Leather Steering Wheel with Blue Stitch
LT255/75R17 BSW Off-Road Tires
Slush Mats by Mopar
Performance Suspension
Air Conditioning
Tubular Side Steps
Speed Control

using this pricing page it looks like the only way to ask for the 23y package is to first ask for the lowest priced style.

2010 Jeep Wrangler Sport Price With Options


heres the 23 order package for the mountian, with no mention of the performance suspension.


Quick Order Package 23X Mountain Package
Vehicle with standard equipment; 17" x 7.5" aluminum painted wheels; Air conditioning; BF Good rich brand tires; Black/Mineral Gray front and rear bumpers; Cloth seats with Mountain logo; Deep tint sunscreen windows; Graphite interior vent trim rings; Leather wrapped steering wheel; LT255/75R17 black side-wall off-road tires; Mineral Gray grille; MOPAR black fuel filler door; MOPAR black tail lamp guards; MOPAR mate black hood decal; MOPAR slush mats; Speed control; Tubular side steps; Wrangler Mountain badge

an update, emailed the dealer with my final offer of $24500.00

i guess they don't know what "final" means they came back with $25069.00.

don

Don M 01-10-2011 05:43 PM

thats weird, using the above link theres now no way to get the 23y package on that site.



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don

Don M 01-10-2011 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bluefox (Post 979949)
The shocks on mine Mountain is black. The window sticker package 23X is $4,005.00

you have the performance suspension along with a manual trans.

the 24x is for the auto with the performance suspension.

dfwislander 01-10-2011 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackMountain
why is the moutain edition sticker price more than the islander if it doesnt come with the suspension?

It does indeed have the upgraded suspension

dfwislander 01-10-2011 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MTH

Before any options are added, there's only a few hundred bucks between them.

In any event, I don't think it comes standard with the Islander either. Check this out (Jeep - Compare Vehicle and Model Specifications - Highlights) and compare the Mountain, Islander, and Rubicon. Only the Rubicon lists a "performance suspension" as an "Additional Feature."

I think the performance suspension on the Islander found by the OP was probably added by the dealer after it pulled off that same suspension to lift a Rubi on its lot. Could have been added by Chrysler too I suppose, though it wasn't an "option" you could select select on a "build you own" Mountain online.

When you add the "islander" package, the suspension is included in that

MTH 01-10-2011 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Don M

you have the performance suspension along with a manual trans.

the 24x is for the auto with the performance suspension.

Quote:

Originally Posted by dfwislander

It does indeed have the upgraded suspension

Quote:

Originally Posted by dfwislander

When you add the "islander" package, the suspension is included in that

That's interesting with the islander. Jeep's website makes no mention of it. Are you guys also saying that the mountain comes with it?

Don M 01-10-2011 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MTH (Post 980535)
That's interesting with the islander. Jeep's website makes no mention of it. Are you guys also saying that the mountain comes with it?

according to this web site both the island and the mountain do with either transmission,

#1 Quick Order Pkg, Islander 23Y, the 6 speed manual
#2 Quick Order Pkg, Mountain 23X, the 6 speed manual
#3 Quick Order Pkg, Islander 24Y, 4 speed auto
#4 Quick Order Pkg, Mountain 24X, 4 speed auto

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don

ps: watch........................
after all this research i'll end up buying the sahara. lol

MTH 01-10-2011 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Don M

according to this web site both the island and the mountain do with either transmission,

#1 Quick Order Pkg, Islander 23Y, the 6 speed manual
#2 Quick Order Pkg, Mountain 23X, the 6 speed manual
#3 Quick Order Pkg, Islander 24Y, 4 speed auto
#4 Quick Order Pkg, Mountain 24X, 4 speed auto

2010 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Sport 4WD 4Dr SUV Packages | New 2010 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Sport 4WD 4Dr Sport Utility Package Options & Optional Equipment at IntelliChoice.com

don

ps: watch........................
after all this research i'll end up buying the sahara. lol

Paging Pato!!

I'd of course be pleased if I do in fact have the performance suspension. Odd though that this wasn't put front and center by Jeep at least for the mountain--for example, it's not shown on my window sticker. I have my doubts.

In any event, the Sahara definitely does NOT come with it standard. If the price is close, I'm not sure why you'd go with the Sahara. Sahara's are great of course, but the suspension and hardtop alone would make the islander worthwhile under your circumstances.


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