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mannyssj13 01-27-2011 08:33 PM

lift kit help! please!
 
Hey here it is i have a 04 unlimited with 90k on it with stock suspension and i wanna do a lift kit on it. Not sure on what brands are good and what are bad. Not going to do anything extreme just some trail riding maybe mud, no rocks or anything like that. Jeep is my daily driver that i will use for some fun here and there don't need anything to extreme but would like something good you know. Don't have any money right now for the lift but just shopping around now so when it comes time i know what i want and how much is needed. Don't wanna spend more then a grand on a lift kit. I 'am aiming for a 4 inch lift nothing more nothing less. Now if i get a lift kit is there anything else i will need like maybe longer brake lines or something like that or pretty much depending on what lift kit i get will have everything needed and dont need to buy anything extra. here are some of the lifts i was looking at. if these are fine would like to know or if anything recommends something different. Kinda feeling the sky jack one but not sure if its good.

Skyjacker Suspension TJ403BPHX - Skyjacker 4" Value Flex Sport Lift Kit with Hydro Shocks for 03-06 Jeep® Wrangler TJ & Unlimited - Quadratec

4" Series II Suspension Lift Kit for 97-06 Jeep TJ by Rough Country

4" Stage I Lift Kit with ES3000 Shocks by Pro Comp and Other Jeep Parts and Jeep Accessories by 4 Wheel Drive Hardware-RH3

Hammerwalk 01-27-2011 09:05 PM

im finding my self in the exact same position you are in. want a 4" lift, but dont know enough about what i am getting into. i definitely dont want to buy the cheapest only to wish i would have paid the extra few bones for another after i install.

I like that skyjacker 4" that you found. i am deciding between two other SJ lifts, and now this may be the 3rd. The choices, the agony!

Rubicon2 01-27-2011 09:12 PM

Check out this thread. It might help you out.

http://www.wranglerforum.com/f5/tj-l...ews-25145.html

mannyssj13 01-27-2011 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammerwalk
im finding my self in the exact same position you are in. want a 4" lift, but dont know enough about what i am getting into. i definitely dont want to buy the cheapest only to wish i would have paid the extra few bones for another after i install.

I like that skyjacker 4" that you found. i am deciding between two other SJ lifts, and now this may be the 3rd. The choices, the agony!

Yea man it sucks! I don't wanna spend to much and wanna get the best bang for my buck! I like the sky jack as well looks good I really don't need anything extreme just a nice lift for some fun.

mannyssj13 01-27-2011 11:58 PM

Thanks for the link just read a couple good things about the skyjack lift kit so i think i might go with that when the time comes. But please if anything things different about this kit would like to know anything I can thanks!

OsageJeep 01-28-2011 12:13 AM

To the best of my knowledge if you go with a 4" lift, you will have to get a Slip-Yoke Eliminator driveshaft which is around another $400 on top of the lift kit...which will most likely push the whole "lifting" process over $1000...from what others have said on here, if you go with a 3" lift and a transfer case drop it will help keep the correct drivetrain angles so you will avoid a lot of vibration. The price difference in a 3" and a 4" lift doesn't seem significant until you start looking at what else you have to get with a 4"

This is just what I think the case is..if I am wrong, somebody please correct me..I would like to know as well, I am interested in getting a lift.

Littleyellow 01-28-2011 12:16 AM

Look into rubicon express kits.. Good quality parts and everything you need. Many built jeep usuing RE lift componets.

Their 3.5" is about 4" and there 4.5" is more like 5-5.5"

It might be more than a skyjacker or rough country economy lift. But just do it once so you dont worry a yer from now when your springs are sagging or you needed extra peice to fix problems

I learned the hard way! So just make sure you do as much research as possible to know how everything works and by changing what peice will do to the other to save a headache.

mannyssj13 01-28-2011 12:17 AM

How about these two kits?

4" Standard Suspension System by Skyjacker and Other Jeep Parts and Jeep Accessories by 4 Wheel Drive Hardware-RH3

4" Sport Lift by Skyjacker and Other Jeep Parts and Jeep Accessories by 4 Wheel Drive Hardware-RH3

Littleyellow 01-28-2011 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by mannyssj13
Thanks for the link just read a couple good things about the skyjack lift kit so i think i might go with that when the time comes. But please if anything things different about this kit would like to know anything I can thanks!

A friend has some 4" skyjacker that a PO installed.. Its ok but the springs have lost some rate to them now

Littleyellow 01-28-2011 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by OsageJeep
To the best of my knowledge if you go with a 4" lift, you will have to get a Slip-Yoke Eliminator driveshaft which is around another $400 on top of the lift kit...which will most likely push the whole "lifting" process over $1000...from what others have said on here, if you go with a 3" lift and a transfer case drop it will help keep the correct drivetrain angles so you will avoid a lot of vibration. The price difference in a 3" and a 4" lift doesn't seem significant until you start looking at what else you have to get with a 4"

This is just what I think the case is..if I am wrong, somebody please correct me..I would like to know as well, I am interested in getting a lift.

Thats true with a short wheelbase jeep. He has an unlimited so should be fine without a tcase drop at 4". Longer driveshaft helps out alot with that.

Littleyellow 01-28-2011 12:21 AM

First one has no shocks included and is almost 1k .. Look into the rubicon express. Search for pictures of the 3.5" on jeepforum

OsageJeep 01-28-2011 12:23 AM

damn...I knew I should have bought an LJ...

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oIIIIIIo 01-28-2011 12:27 AM

I would go with a 3" suspension lift and 1" BL. Rubicon Express or Teraflex makes some good lift kit. If you go any higher than a 3" suspension lift more than likely you will need slip yoke eliminator kit and other components to make it work the "right way". Spend the extra cash and do it right the first time and you will not regret it later. You may save a few hundreds now but will end up spending more to make your lift work right..IMHO.

Good luck on your choice.

mannyssj13 01-28-2011 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by oIIIIIIo (Post 1019099)
I would go with a 3" suspension lift and 1" BL. Rubicon Express or Teraflex makes some good lift kit. If you go any higher than a 3" suspension lift more than likely you will need and other components to make it work the "right way". Spend the extra cash and do it right the first time and you will not regret it later. You may save a few hundreds now but will end up spending more to make your lift work right..IMHO.

Good luck on your choice.

whats a slip yoke eliminator kit?

Kinda wanna do a 4" cause when i go trail riding i come across water so the high the better you know. Was thinking about doing a lift on top of a body lift to get it higher. Ill look into what you side tho doesn't hurt still would 'like to go down the 4' path.

UnlimitedLJ04 01-28-2011 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by mannyssj13 (Post 1019111)
whats a slip yoke eliminator kit?

read this:
What is a CV shaft and why do I want one? - JeepForum.com

Quote:

Originally Posted by mannyssj13 (Post 1019111)
Kinda wanna do a 4" cause when i go trail riding i come across water so the high the better you know. Was thinking about doing a lift on top of a body lift to get it higher. Ill look into what you side tho doesn't hurt still would 'like to go down the 4' path.

You don't need 4" of lift for trail riding and mild water crossings. But if you're looking at 4" of lift, then do it right...setting it up properly with the right components. In fact, I wouldn't even consider the incomplete kits you listed. You'll need extended brake lines, bumpstop extensions, extended sway bar links front and rear, adjustable front track bar, rear track bar relocation brackets & mount reinforcement - all in addition to springs and shocks.

Try these guys instead:
www.claytonoffroad.com
Currie Enterprises CJ Axle Parts
RCD Suspension 3" Lift Kit with Bilstein Shocks for 97-06 Jeep® Wrangler TJ & Unlimited - Quadratec
Home Page

NHrubicon 01-28-2011 08:07 AM

SLip Yoke Eliminator(SYE) comes standard on the original Rubicons-they were set up for more aggressive driving, and because of it, you can throw a 4" lift under them with very little problems. What the SYE does (basically, not tecnically) is to change the 'angle' the rear driveshaft has to the axle. More angle-more binding-more trouble. Relieve that angle, longer driveshaft, less binding and trouble. And then you don't have to to do a transfercase 'drop'...which negates an inch or so of the clearance your lift just gave you. Body lift...only lifts the body...period...none of the drivetrain, or the engine, or anything. Don't bother with it...because your LINKAGE for shifting is NOT raised with the body lift-and you may have to move or change shifting linkage-another cost! 4" lift kit SHOULD come with everything you need-extended brake lines, linkage (like a dropped pitman arm), longer shocks, bumpstops, everything. If it doesn't...then be prepared to spend more money...making the cheaper kit now more expensive.
Do it right the first time and then you won't be tinkering with it for months.
Then get some Xenon fender flares...because once you see your jeep up on 4" lift...those skinny little tires are going to look lame and you'll be going for 33" wider tires! LOL....and YES you can put 33" tires under a 4" lift....no problem.

mannyssj13 01-28-2011 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UnlimitedLJ04 (Post 1019317)
read this:
What is a CV shaft and why do I want one? - JeepForum.com


You don't need 4" of lift for trail riding and mild water crossings. But if you're looking at 4" of lift, then do it right...setting it up properly with the right components. In fact, I wouldn't even consider the incomplete kits you listed. You'll need extended brake lines, bumpstop extensions, extended sway bar links front and rear, adjustable front track bar, rear track bar relocation brackets & mount reinforcement - all in addition to springs and shocks.

Try these guys instead:
www.claytonoffroad.com
Currie Enterprises CJ Axle Parts
RCD Suspension 3" Lift Kit with Bilstein Shocks for 97-06 Jeep® Wrangler TJ & Unlimited - Quadratec
Home Page



Would it be best if i did a 3" with a 1' body lift so i could get the 4" without upgrading or buying anything else other then the lift and body lift?

Rubicon2 01-28-2011 12:47 PM

Why not just save up and do it the way you want to the first time? Then you won't have to cobble things together.

UnlimitedLJ04 01-28-2011 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mannyssj13 (Post 1019786)
Would it be best if i did a 3" with a 1' body lift so i could get the 4" without upgrading or buying anything else other then the lift and body lift?

depends what you want to do with the Jeep, and what your suspension & ground clearance goals are.

I suggest you drive it like it is for a year. Wheel with it, see how it does off-road. In the meantime, research, then search the forums, then read build threads, then research again, search some more, and repeat.

I researched & wheeled for a year...found out a tummy tuck and some skid plates were the first step for me. 2 years later it was time for a lift. a year later it was time for some 33s & regear.

Either way you go you need some basic things. If you don't understand why you need these basic items, you need to research some more on suspension design. You can buy a cheapo kit and learn the hard way that its junk, then end up dropping twice as much on good components to fix your cheapo junk...or you can save your money and research what will serve you best and spend your money once.

3" or 4", you'll still need track bars, track bar bracket, bumpstop extensions, brake lines, lift springs, shocks, sway bar extensions, etc....changing height effects multiple components.

I don't have much money, so I want to spend it wisely once, how about you?

Hammerwalk 01-29-2011 11:02 AM

Is extended brake lines something that normally comes with a 4" lift? Im not finding anything that says,it does. Also,the link that was provided about the lift kit reviews I noticed that alot of folks that did a 3-4" lift just used the tc drop kit.

Is it normal for a brand,say skyjacker, to provide parts for a tc drop but not suggest you get an sye? Or do they go off the presumption that you should know that you need one but provide for a tc drop anyway?

Littleyellow 01-29-2011 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hammerwalk
Is extended brake lines something that normally comes with a 4" lift? Im not finding anything that says,it does. Also,the link that was provided about the lift kit reviews I noticed that alot of folks that did a 3-4" lift just used the tc drop kit.

Is it normal for a brand,say skyjacker, to provide parts for a tc drop but not suggest you get an sye? Or do they go off the presumption that you should know that you need one but provide for a tc drop anyway?

Both... While dropping the skid can help it wont always work and people dont want to because it defeat the purpose of the lift.

AOR 01-29-2011 06:02 PM

mannyssj13,

how about the Zone Offroad 4.25" combo kit shipped for $589.47. Click on the link and then click on the combo packages tab. Zone Offroad is owned by Truck Masters who also owns and builds BDS. Zone Offroad was started as a market share competitor for the Skyjackers and Rough Country's of the world. The same engineers that develop BDS suspensions are working on the same PCs as they are when they design BDS products, but they are designing Zone Offroad kits.

They also have a 4" kit for much less than other kits.

Just food for thought. Good luck on your build and your search.

Namaste,

Allen


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