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MMJ89586 02-01-2011 07:53 AM

soft top lift gate
 
Dumb question, but is there any way to get the rear window and bar to lift so you can get larger items in the Jeep; like the hard top has?

daggo66 02-01-2011 09:21 AM

There are 2 zippers. Unzip each side and lift.

Geoff@Bestop 02-01-2011 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by daggo66 (Post 1027196)
There are 2 zippers. Unzip each side and lift.

There's also a tailgate bar - it spans across right above te tailgate. It just pops out.

MTH 02-01-2011 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by daggo66 (Post 1027196)
There are 2 zippers. Unzip each side and lift.

I do exactly that all the time. Zip up both sides so the two zippers are about 18" apart, lift, and flip the rear window/bar up onto the roof.

MMJ89586 02-01-2011 09:32 AM

So the bar just lifts out?

daggo66 02-01-2011 09:34 AM

Pull slightly out and it pops free. You may have to pull out the corner edge of the sail panel as well.

Geoff@Bestop 02-01-2011 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by MMJ89586 (Post 1027227)
So the bar just lifts out?

Yep. It kinda "rolls" into place. It's a little bit of wrist twist kinda thing. If yours doesn't come out easily, it may be installed wrong. But I doubt it. Go out and experiment with your Jeep: they're tough, they can take it.

MTH 02-01-2011 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by MMJ89586 (Post 1027227)
So the bar just lifts out?

Pull toward you. You'll do this every time you take your top down, by the way. Remember those two elastic loop straps that probably came in your glove box? Those snap in above the upper corners of your rear window, and will hold the window when you roll it up (bar inside).

You'll do this before you take your top down, but you'll also find it helpful when you want to leave the top on but take out the windows.

daggo66 02-01-2011 09:39 AM

Hey Geoff, maybe this would be easier to explain if Britta put together a little demonstration video. :D

ParaCAD 02-01-2011 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by daggo66 (Post 1027259)
Hey Geoff, maybe this would be easier to explain if Britta put together a little demonstration video. :D

x2:thumb:

MMJ89586 02-01-2011 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by MTH (Post 1027253)
Pull toward you. You'll do this every time you take your top down, by the way. Remember those two elastic loop straps that probably came in your glove box? Those snap in above the upper corners of your rear window, and will hold the window when you roll it up (bar inside).

You'll do this before you take your top down, but you'll also find it helpful when you want to leave the top on but take out the windows.

I've been wondering if you can take just the windows out and leave the rest of the top on. It sounds like I can.

daggo66 02-01-2011 10:18 AM

Absolutely. :thumb: The soft top is extremely versatile and gives you so many options. Each look is like having an entirely different Jeep!

MTH 02-01-2011 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by MMJ89586 (Post 1027341)
I've been wondering if you can take just the windows out and leave the rest of the top on. It sounds like I can.

Yep. In combination with putting down your glass windows or just removing the doors altogether, it effectively creates a canopy and can be the best way to go if you're planning to be on the road for long distances during blazing hot days. :)

TheMadBotanist 02-01-2011 10:27 AM

What I want to know is the original answer to this guys question, is there any freaking way to make a liftgate work with a softop? I'm a bit tired of having to undo the bar and unzip the window every time I want to put something taller than a foot in the back. Some sort of soft-top liftgate (like the hardtop has) would be freaking awesome. Although...a tough engineering problem to solve.

daggo66 02-01-2011 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMadBotanist (Post 1027364)
What I want to know is the original answer to this guys question, is there any freaking way to make a liftgate work with a softop? I'm a bit tired of having to undo the bar and unzip the window every time I want to put something taller than a foot in the back. Some sort of soft-top liftgate (like the hardtop has) would be freaking awesome. Although...a tough engineering problem to solve.

We did answer the original question. You're asking something totally different that does not exist.

TheMadBotanist 02-01-2011 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by daggo66 (Post 1027372)
We did answer the original question. You're asking something totally different that does not exist.


Man, you never miss an opportunity to be a prick, do you?

Fine, Daggo, stickler for semantics and self appointed policeman of the JK forum, I'd like to expand upon the original question and wonder aloud if there will ever be a hard lift gate for a softtop. Like I said, it would be an engineering problem, but it would be awfully handy.

ncossey 02-01-2011 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMadBotanist

Man, you never miss an opportunity to be a prick, do you?

Fine, Daggo, stickler for semantics and self appointed policeman of the JK forum, I'd like to expand upon the original question and wonder aloud if there will ever be a hard lift gate for a softtop. Like I said, it would be an engineering problem, but it would be awfully handy.

Can you honestly think of a way thats even possible? No need to call someone a prick because you asked a stupid question. I mean seriously, how would that even be possible? It would be so problematic and expensive that it wouldnt be cost efficient. Just be a man, and unzip your back window, it lifts up if you unzip both sides to the top!

TheMadBotanist 02-01-2011 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ncossey (Post 1027661)
Can you honestly think of a way thats even possible? No need to call someone a prick because you asked a stupid question. I mean seriously, how would that even be possible? It would be so problematic and expensive that it wouldnt be cost efficient. Just be a man, and unzip your back window, it lifts up if you unzip both sides to the top!

What? It's totally possible...why couldnt you just attach a zipper around the top and sides of a hard-top lift gate, and zip it into the already existing hole in a soft-top? The zipper is already in place, you'd just need a liftgate of the correct size, and probably need to add some support at the top where the hinge would be.
Just because you have no imagination doesnt mean it's a 'stupid question'.

daggo66 02-01-2011 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMadBotanist (Post 1027542)
Man, you never miss an opportunity to be a prick, do you?

Fine, Daggo, stickler for semantics and self appointed policeman of the JK forum, I'd like to expand upon the original question and wonder aloud if there will ever be a hard lift gate for a softtop. Like I said, it would be an engineering problem, but it would be awfully handy.


I was trying to be a "prick" at all. You may have inferred it, however. I read that you were saying I didn't answer the original question and I felt I did, that's all.

daggo66 02-01-2011 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMadBotanist (Post 1027699)
What? It's totally possible...why couldnt you just attach a zipper around the top and sides of a hard-top lift gate, and zip it into the already existing hole in a soft-top? The zipper is already in place, you'd just need a liftgate of the correct size, and probably need to add some support at the top where the hinge would be.
Just because you have no imagination doesnt mean it's a 'stupid question'.

Hypothethically speaking, if I were trying to be a "prick", I would say something such as, "If you already thought of a solution, why did you ask?" See the difference? :rofl::rofl::rofl:

Lighten up Francis.

PHX 02-01-2011 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMadBotanist (Post 1027699)
What? It's totally possible...why couldnt you just attach a zipper around the top and sides of a hard-top lift gate, and zip it into the already existing hole in a soft-top? The zipper is already in place, you'd just need a liftgate of the correct size, and probably need to add some support at the top where the hinge would be.
Just because you have no imagination doesnt mean it's a 'stupid question'.


I have 4 or 5 catalogs at home that contain everything imagineable for Jeeps. I think if there is a viable product that has enough commercial interest and sales potential, it's avaiable. I haven't seen a lift gate, yet, for a soft top. Probably due to the fact it is difficult to engineer, and has little market.
How much would you pay for one? $500? By the time you patent, develop the product, manufacture, distribute, ship, pay your dealers, etc., it would be at least that.

Wait! I found a product that is exactly what you're looking for. It's called a "hard top".:D

seadog 02-01-2011 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by PHX (Post 1027953)
Wait! I found a product that is exactly what you're looking for. It's called a "hard top".:D

Where do I send the bill for the monitor?

ncossey 02-01-2011 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMadBotanist

What? It's totally possible...why couldnt you just attach a zipper around the top and sides of a hard-top lift gate, and zip it into the already existing hole in a soft-top? The zipper is already in place, you'd just need a liftgate of the correct size, and probably need to add some support at the top where the hinge would be.
Just because you have no imagination doesnt mean it's a 'stupid question'.

Theres a huge difference between having an imagination, and foolish thinking. You sir, are a fool if you honestly believe that the above method is possible. For starters, the soft top probably couldnt support the weight of the glass window. Secondly, the zippers on these soft tops are already crappy quality, if they cant stay in shape with a plastic window, what makes you think they could with a glass one. Lastly, where are you going to attach the lift supports, to the softtop? I dont know if you have noticed, but these soft tops belly out with an inch of snow, having a 20 pound glass window resting on it is going to have similar effects. Lets not play the back and forth game. The product you are asking about will most likely never be made.

InfernoGirl 02-01-2011 03:50 PM

Folding those struts that support the weight of the window would be a major pita......

Geoff@Bestop 02-01-2011 04:51 PM

You all are being too harsh on TheMadBotanist. I don't think he (?) worded his point exactly right, but he's thinking creatively: what if there was a really cool way to open the soft top rear? A hatch or a hinge or a bracket or sumthin' that would make it all easier.

I think that's an interesting and fun point. What the hey. Creative people don't always state things in the "normal" way, because they make strange connections.

It's just, like, you know, my opinion, man.

seadog 02-01-2011 05:19 PM

OK, you have two problems. Using a pressurized piston, puts pressure on two points. The base, which could be mounted on top, like the hard top. And the piston, mounted low on the hard top. For the piston to operate, the base has to be mounted to a hard point. If you attach it to the the underside of the soft top, the top will just roll and the piston really wont do anything.

The piston is something else. It is engineered for a specific load and length. Since there is no (very little) weight with the soft window, the piston would have no push. The tailgate holds the piston in the closed position on a hard top. How would you do it with a soft window?

Not to mention that the piston is constantly trying to expand, pushing against hard points. If you did it on a soft window, the fabric would constantly be under strain, unless you found a way to lock them down Which defeats "easy open".

Lastly, if you were able to figure out a way to mount a hard top window into a soft top, where would you attach the pistons? Roll bar? Upside down in the tub? Defeats the purpose of a soft top.

Just my opinion. YMMV...

j33pZ 02-01-2011 05:55 PM

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Dumb question, but is there any way to get the rear window and bar to lift so you can get larger items in the Jeep; like the hard top has?
I heard that the new 2012 model will have a soft top lift-gate as an option on the Sahara models only. You may want to wait to get a jeep until the 2012 is available.
HTH
:drool:

seadog 02-01-2011 06:01 PM

^with the special Hemi-Killer motor and aerodynamically correct profile.

ghendrix6 02-01-2011 06:08 PM

It needs to be like a garage door. Either the kind that rolls up or runs in tracks against the celing. It could attach to the roll bars inside, and just snug up against the inside of the soft top when closed.

seadog 02-01-2011 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ghendrix6 (Post 1028278)
It needs to be like a garage door. Either the kind that rolls up or runs in tracks against the celing. It could attach to the roll bars inside, and just snug up against the inside of the soft top when closed.

That is actually not a bad idea.


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