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lap49X 05-04-2007 10:16 PM

Throw out bearing shot???
 
I have a 2004 Wrangler X 6cyl with Manual trans. The Jeep only has 17,950 miles on it.

I've been hearing a wurring sound when the clutch pedal is out. When I push the clutch in, the noise stops. Tonight I noticed the noise was slightly louder, like a wurring noise with some chatter to it. I also hear it a little when shifting between 1st and 2nd gear or when I'm backing up in reverse.

I must mention that my dad was an idiot last weekend and he started shifting the gears into 4wd WITHOUT using the clutch when the Jeep was NOT running. I caught him and it was kind of stuck in gear, so I pushed the clutch in and shifted it back into 2wd. I haven't noticed anything wrong and I don't know if that caused damage, but this has got me worried now.

I know that the throw out bearing is a definite possibility, but I'm not sure a throw out bearing should go bad with so few miles? I am not much of a mechanic other than changing oil and other fluids, batteries, etc. so changing it might not be a great idea. How much would this cost at a garage?

What else might need to be fixed, adjusted, replaced???

Thanks for all the info you can provide!

JCS05Rubi 05-04-2007 10:27 PM

I *THINK* I have the same noise as you in my jeep. 05 Rubicon, 6 spd. When going forward up a hill, or reverse up a hill, no gas, and you push the clutch in, you get a loud chatter. Dont know about any other time, as my MTR tires are too loud to tell after 10mph :p Ive had mine in to the dealer 4 times for it and a few other things, they said its just wear and tear and not to worry about it untill the clutch goes (which could be 1 mile or 100,000 miles). My jeep has 23k on it, trans was replaced at 19,000 (which seems to be the trend with these 6spds..).

Take it to the dealer for a trans noise if you want just to have it documented, but I wouldnt expect the dealer to fix anything for a noise under warranty unless its broken.

Your dad shouldnt have messed anything up if the jeep wasnt running. Did it get stuck between gears in the transmission, or the xfer case? TJ xfer cases are supposed to be shifted at 1-3mph, not really stopped, because the gears arent always 100% lined up. Its no biggy, just push the clutch in so the truck rolls a foot or so and then move the xfer case lever. Only damage I can think of would be the synchros, but I doubt he hurt anything..

Im sure your pops would know what will break a Jeep anyway, he is infact older than you :p

EDIT: FYI, the Clutch, Throw out bearing, and pressure plate, are wear and tear items, and NOT covered under warranty, like brake pads etc.

lap49X 05-04-2007 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by JCS05Rubi (Post 79121)
My jeep has 23k on it, trans was replaced at 19,000 (which seems to be the trend with these 6spds..).

Your dad shouldnt have messed anything up if the jeep wasnt running. Did it get stuck between gears in the transmission, or the xfer case?

EDIT: FYI, the Clutch, Throw out bearing, and pressure plate, are wear and tear items, and NOT covered under warranty, like brake pads etc.

I'm glad mine is just a 5-speed manual. Should there be any problem with the trans? I only hear the noise when the clutch is OUT, the noise is gone when I push the clutch IN.

What do you mean by the gears getting stuck in the transmission or the xfer case? The Jeep was parked and in neutral. He shifted it into 4wd (on the xfer case?) without pushing the clutch in. Then, the (xfer case) shifter was "stuck" in 4wd. I caught him at that point and pushed the clutch in to shift it back into 2wd (on the xfer case?).

Unfortunately, my Jeep has no warranty because it is just over 3 yrs old.

lap49X 05-04-2007 11:07 PM

I read this from another thread posted a couple months ago.

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Originally Posted by 4Jeepn (Post 59695)
welcome,

You have the nv3550 or 3500 can't recall which.. in cold weather it is tough to shift until it warms up. However, it should not be making grinding sounds. Also you may hear what sounds like marbles until the clutch pedlle is pressed.. that is normal too. But certainly have it all checked out and again welcome.

How "normal" is the marble noise? At what point is it something to worry about?

JCS05Rubi 05-05-2007 09:50 AM

If the jeep was off, you should be good to go, especially if he was just messing with the xfer case. Jeep transfer cases dont need to have the clutch to move the lever :) Getting "stuck" in gear is just what happened when you attempt to change gears in the transfer case while not moving sometimes. Like I said before, the gears arent always 100% lined up, and sometimes it gets stuck in a position untill you move the Jeep 1/2 foot or so. No biggy :) I wouldnt worry about the noise untill something breaks, but thats just me. I just dont see the point in buying a new clutch/throwout bearing etc. just for a noise :)

Triple88a 05-05-2007 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by lap49X (Post 79139)
I'm glad mine is just a 5-speed manual. Should there be any problem with the trans? I only hear the noise when the clutch is OUT, the noise is gone when I push the clutch IN

Same here same problem.. i hear it mainly when shutting off the engine.. if i shut it off while holding the clutch down it shuts off so quiet that you can hear a pin drop on the floor. No known problem with the 5 speeds.. thats messed up they replace the tranys at 20k miles and 20 after you need a new one? I've seen that discussed before and 19-20k miles seems preatty dead on.


Rubi you know what i hate the most? When the first gear teeth align so perfectly so you cant shift into it.. before i had to drop the clutch and rev it up and then shift but now i've discovered shuv it in 2nd and back in first again...

lap49X 05-05-2007 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by JCS05Rubi (Post 79191)
If the jeep was off, you should be good to go, especially if he was just messing with the xfer case. Jeep transfer cases dont need to have the clutch to move the lever :) Getting "stuck" in gear is just what happened when you attempt to change gears in the transfer case while not moving sometimes. Like I said before, the gears arent always 100% lined up, and sometimes it gets stuck in a position untill you move the Jeep 1/2 foot or so. No biggy :) I wouldnt worry about the noise untill something breaks, but thats just me. I just dont see the point in buying a new clutch/throwout bearing etc. just for a noise :)

Is the noise somewhat "normal"? It seems like it is, but it's kind of annoying. The only thing that worries me is that it seems like it's gotten noisier. If I let it go until it breaks, will it cause more damage? Could it be something other than the throw out bearing? Last question...Is there a way to adjust the throwout bearing (If that is what is making the noise)?

Jerry Bransford 05-05-2007 11:34 AM

That you can hear a whirring sound with your foot off the clutch is perfectly normal on a Wrangler. All that's happening is with your foot off the clutch, everything inside the transmission is spinning around. Since the Wrangler has zero soundproofing other than the skinny carpeting and none under the console, it can be heard inside. No worries. :)

lap49X 05-05-2007 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Jerry Bransford (Post 79211)
That you can hear a whirring sound with your foot off the clutch is perfectly normal on a Wrangler. All that's happening is with your foot off the clutch, everything inside the transmission is spinning around. Since the Wrangler has zero soundproofing other than the skinny carpeting and none under the console, it can be heard inside. No worries. :)

What about the little bit of chatter? (Similar to the marbles sound I've seen others mention on here)

Jerry Bransford 05-05-2007 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by lap49X (Post 79212)
What about the little bit of chatter? (Similar to the marbles sound I've seen others mention on here)

Sound is hard to quantify and it's hard to know exactly what you're hearing. However, trust me, just about all Wrangler owners worry about the perfectly normal but often angst-causing sounds of the transmission when in neutral and the clutch is out. Certainly mine makes sounds I don't like when in neutral and the clutch out but with 169,000 miles on it so far, it's hanging together just fine. :)

lap49X 05-05-2007 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Jerry Bransford (Post 79215)
Sound is hard to quantify and it's hard to know exactly what you're hearing. However, trust me, just about all Wrangler owners worry about the perfectly normal but often angst-causing sounds of the transmission when in neutral and the clutch is out. Certainly mine makes sounds I don't like when in neutral and the clutch out but with 169,000 miles on it so far, it's hanging together just fine. :)

I completely understand noise when a vehicle has 100,000+ miles on it, but it's hard to justify with a vehicle that doesn't even have 20,000 miles.

Jerry Bransford 05-05-2007 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by lap49X (Post 79268)
I completely understand noise when a vehicle has 100,000+ miles on it, but it's hard to justify with a vehicle that doesn't even have 20,000 miles.

Mine did it when I took it home brand new from the dealer back in March of 1996 when it had 46 miles on it. Once again, it's due to the lack of soundproofing. Wranglers are not cars where the engineers worried about making them ride quietly Look around to see how much soundproofing is between the transmission and where you sit. You won't find anything besides that thin piece of carpeting. :)

upinar 05-05-2007 08:03 PM

that noise is normal. just got a brand new clutch and still does makes that noise.

Triple88a 05-05-2007 09:54 PM

i gues that makes us feel better then :)

binaryking 05-05-2007 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by lap49X (Post 79104)
I have a 2004 Wrangler X 6cyl with Manual trans. The Jeep only has 17,950 miles on it.

I've been hearing a wurring sound when the clutch pedal is out. When I push the clutch in, the noise stops. Tonight I noticed the noise was slightly louder, like a wurring noise with some chatter to it. I also hear it a little when shifting between 1st and 2nd gear or when I'm backing up in reverse.

I must mention that my dad was an idiot last weekend and he started shifting the gears into 4wd WITHOUT using the clutch when the Jeep was NOT running. I caught him and it was kind of stuck in gear, so I pushed the clutch in and shifted it back into 2wd. I haven't noticed anything wrong and I don't know if that caused damage, but this has got me worried now.

I know that the throw out bearing is a definite possibility, but I'm not sure a throw out bearing should go bad with so few miles? I am not much of a mechanic other than changing oil and other fluids, batteries, etc. so changing it might not be a great idea. How much would this cost at a garage?

What else might need to be fixed, adjusted, replaced???

Thanks for all the info you can provide!



My 2000 has been making this noise since it was about a month old. I started to hear it more while I was in a drive thru waiting in neutral. It's perfectly normal. 80K miles later and it's still the same clutch and tranny making the same noise. It's all good.

lap49X 05-06-2007 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Triple88a (Post 79337)
i gues that makes us feel better then :)

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Mike001 05-06-2007 12:41 PM

The chatter ya'll are talking about marbles sound slike the noise any vehicle with a stick makes when you bog the engine down i.e. drive in the wrong gear as far a t-out bearings go I've never heard one whir when it was bad they normallly sound like a cage full of angry canaries they chirp. If your tranny wasn't in gear when your dad was playing with it it shouldn't in any way affect the tranny.

lap49X 05-06-2007 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike001 (Post 79455)
The chatter ya'll are talking about marbles sound slike the noise any vehicle with a stick makes when you bog the engine down i.e. drive in the wrong gear as far a t-out bearings go I've never heard one whir when it was bad they normallly sound like a cage full of angry canaries they chirp. If your tranny wasn't in gear when your dad was playing with it it shouldn't in any way affect the tranny.

The "wurring" sound is probably just the throw out bearing spinning when the clutch is out. The "chatter" or "marbles" sometimes happens even when it is sitting with the clutch out, but it usual does it when in reverse or when shifting between 1st and 2nd gear.

Jerry Bransford 05-06-2007 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by lap49X (Post 79483)
The "wurring" sound is probably just the throw out bearing spinning when the clutch is out.

The throwout bearing only spins when the clutch pedal is depressed, it doesn't spin when the clutch pedal is up. It rotates from being mounted on the shaft but it's bearings aren't moving and it's not rotating against itself when the clutch is engaged (clutch pedal up). :)

lap49X 05-06-2007 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Jerry Bransford (Post 79486)
The throwout bearing only spins when the clutch pedal is depressed, it doesn't spin when the clutch pedal is up. It rotates from being mounted on the shaft but it's bearings aren't moving and it's not rotating against itself when the clutch is engaged (clutch pedal up). :)

ok, my mistake...so what exactly is the wurring sound?

lap49X 05-06-2007 02:11 PM

Oh, Are you saying that with the clutch pedal out and the clutch engaged, the throwout bearing is not moving while everything else is? Is that what causes the "wurring" sound?

I previously had a chevy s-10 and it had a similar sound, but not nearly as loud.

Mike001 05-06-2007 02:54 PM

THe gears spinning like he said earlier there ain't no sound insulation. My Mustang did it after I put a short throw shifter on and my jeep does it now and so does my trans am

Jerry Bransford 05-06-2007 03:00 PM

Mods, please delete this extra post. :)

Jerry Bransford 05-06-2007 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by lap49X (Post 79501)
Oh, Are you saying that with the clutch pedal out and the clutch engaged, the throwout bearing is not moving while everything else is? Is that what causes the "wurring" sound?

Yep, and see post #8, above. :)

lap49X 05-06-2007 08:38 PM

Thanks for your input & patience with a newb!

I've got the "What is that sound the fridge is making?", "Why is my vehicle making this sound?", "The computer should not be making that sound" DISEASE!!!

I'll try to ignore my sense of hearing with things like this and I'll just turn the radio on and drive...lol

jeeperman 05-06-2007 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lap49X (Post 79139)
I'm glad mine is just a 5-speed manual. Should there be any problem with the trans? I only hear the noise when the clutch is OUT, the noise is gone when I push the clutch IN.

What do you mean by the gears getting stuck in the transmission or the xfer case? The Jeep was parked and in neutral. He shifted it into 4wd (on the xfer case?) without pushing the clutch in. Then, the (xfer case) shifter was "stuck" in 4wd. I caught him at that point and pushed the clutch in to shift it back into 2wd (on the xfer case?).

Unfortunately, my Jeep has no warranty because it is just over 3 yrs old.


The 3550 is a loud transmission when in neutral with the clutch out. Unless you hear metal on metal grinding noises (you will know if/when you hear them) I wouldn't worry too much about it. They are just a notoriously noisy trans.:rolleyes: Whatchagonnado?

cntrygirl 04-04-2014 05:16 PM

I have a 2007 jeep wrangler 6 speed manual transmission. While I was driving clutch went to floor and stopped working. We changed slave cylinder started priming clutch and heard a loud pop. Took back apart and the throw - out lever is up instead of straight. Are we not doing something right is something else wrong? Need help

Majnoon 04-04-2014 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by cntrygirl (Post 9618786)
I have a 2007 jeep wrangler 6 speed manual transmission. While I was driving clutch went to floor and stopped working. We changed slave cylinder started priming clutch and heard a loud pop. Took back apart and the throw - out lever is up instead of straight. Are we not doing something right is something else wrong? Need help

Sounds like the release spring (which releases nothing) came off. It's this guy that holds the fork on the pivot ball on the side opposite the slave cylinder.

That's assuming 2007 are same way. This is tj forum just noticed you have a 2007.

cntrygirl 04-04-2014 08:19 PM

Thanks we will see if that's it


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