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NikeHighlander10 02-02-2011 11:34 AM

New Jeep Got 35 Tires and need a Lift!
 
I am new to the forum but this is my 4th Jeep. My first I kept stock but just got a brand new Jeep Wrangler 2 Door. It is almost fresh off the dealer lot here in Orange County, California.

Unfortunately in my rush to make it look cool, I got a set of 17” Method Rims and 35” Toyo Open Country tires. Obviously they are a little too large to run on the stock suspension and I have had them rub a little.

I know, I know . . . before I get ridiculed, trust me . . . I know. A Toyota guy at work laughs at me enough because he told me 35s were a mistake without a lift.

Enough on that!

So, I need to lift it without braking my bank account (I just cannot spend too much more right now). I think maybe I can get away (for now) with replacing the plastic fender extenders (this is where it rubs) and a 2 or 3 inch lift. I’d like to avoid coil spring spacers and get a real kit but I do not know if I can afford it or have the skill set needed to install it (so I may need to pay).

It is almost brand new, only weeks old, so I do not want to cut it up or pound it to pieces. I do want it to work though.

The immediate goal is to have the 35s, a solid lift kit and have it be road worthy and able to do mild to medium trails around Southern California.
Eventually maybe I will regear and do more but I just want to make that first step.

Any constructive help would be great!

MTH 02-02-2011 11:55 AM

Congrats on the Jeep.

Bare minimum would be to trim where it's rubbing. Maybe put in some washers to reduce how far your steering wheel turns. You'll probably still rub over each speed bump and you certainly can't go offroad, but it'll be cheap.

A slightly more expensive but better choice would be to toss in some HD coils, maybe a coil spacer kit too. Don't know what your backspacing is on the wheels, you might need a set of SpiderTrax wheel spacers (adapters) too.

Next step up would be a legit lift kit and again maybe wheel spacers.

Now . . . . Fyi, you may have bitten off a bit more than you intended. 35s are the "magic" point where a ton of other stuff is going to start needing work. They put a lot more stress on the powertrain and axles than they were intended to carry. If you're looking to stay inexpensive, 33s are a better choice. How's you power and gas mileage by the way? 35s will kill both, especially without a (~$1500) regearing.

daggo66 02-02-2011 12:01 PM

^^sound advice. You just jumped into the deep end (35's) and are saying you can't swim. ($).

tuff2010 02-02-2011 12:14 PM

Here ya go... same lift I have and many that have rode in it say its better than stock ride...

Lifts are simple to install and you can do it yourself...

4.5" 07-11 JEEP WRANGLER UNLIMITED JK 2/4 DOOR LIFT KIT - eBay (item 250637005610 end time Feb-15-11 09:25:16 PST)


Now that is done...

After you lift your 2 door jeep, start saving for some NICE WOODS Custom driveshafts, around 450 each....you are going to need them within the first year, maybe sooner depending on how you drive your jeep.

Then start saving for regearing... depending on your jeep being a auto or manual.which direction to go...

Another thing that will help is Lower control arms for the front and upper control arms for the rear... The rear arms will correct your pinion angle on the rear axle, the front will correct your caster and will allow you to move you axle forward to a stock position..

NikeHighlander10 02-02-2011 12:28 PM

I have definitely noticed a change in gas mileage. Right now I am getting between 13.4 and 14.4 mpg. I have noticed a bit of change in power as well, but not too much. I am hoping to be able to have over 1300 to use on lifting my Jeep which will hopefully give me a decent lift...

daggo66 02-02-2011 12:34 PM

Did you re-calibrate you speedometer? If not your mileage is probably even worse.

rockhard98 02-02-2011 12:34 PM

Do it the easy way and do a high fender kit for now. U can get lifts for 8-1200 but these r cheap for a.jeep and r bottom of the line stuff, save ur money and get a better setup down the road.. you'll be glad u did

NikeHighlander10 02-02-2011 12:36 PM

Unfortunately I took a HUGE plunge into the deep end and hoping to tread water for a bit.

Is a 4" lift the only way to go with 35" tires? I see some people running 2.5" lifts and changing the fenders. Does that work well? I don't do alot of trail riding, I just use the vehicle for recreation and driving to work. Would the smaller lift put less stress on parts in comparison to a 4" lift?

rockhard98 02-02-2011 12:40 PM

Smaller.will be less stress and also less modIfications, if u don't plan on getting hard core, it mY be a better way to go

BlackMountain 02-02-2011 12:48 PM

kind of sucks that once you go to 35's your maintenance and potential problems w/the jeep sky rocket

yjkid95 02-02-2011 12:53 PM

There are some people that run 35's with no lift but...they have either trimmed the stock fender flares or added flat fenders. Also trimmed the pinch seam in the rear. Look up some good flat fenders for a start. That will help out greatly. I know I have a yj but trust me I do to much reading here on this forum. Also with 35's like others have said there are other things that will need to be upgraded as well. Including your steering needs to be beefed up, your brakes need to be beefed up, I know you have a dana 44 rear which will be ok with 35's but I heard the front axle on the jks are a little weak and should be sleaved and gussetted. If I am wrong someone feel free to shed some light on me and the OP. Good luck
Ian

MTH 02-02-2011 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by daggo66
Did you re-calibrate you speedometer? If not your mileage is probably even worse.

x2.

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Originally Posted by NikeHighlander10
I see some people running 2.5" lifts and changing the fenders. Does that work well?

Yes. In fact, maybe your best bang-for-buck would be to toss in some puck spacers, and trim your fenders and whatever else is rubbing. A cheap temporary solution that should look okay and not make things much worse.

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Originally Posted by NikeHighlander10
Would the smaller lift put less stress on parts in comparison to a 4" lift?

Yes. Get over about 2.5" or so and it's new driveshaft time.

MTH 02-02-2011 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by yjkid95
Also with 35's like others have said there are other things that will need to be upgraded as well. Including your steering needs to be beefed up, your brakes need to be beefed up, I know you have a dana 44 rear which will be ok with 35's but I heard the front axle on the jks are a little weak and should be sleaved and gussetted.

Pretty sure you're right, actually.

KooL 02-02-2011 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by daggo66 (Post 1029677)
Did you re-calibrate you speedometer? If not your mileage is probably even worse.

It'd actually be better than what he thinks wouldn't it?

rockhard98 02-02-2011 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackMountain (Post 1029705)
kind of sucks that once you go to 35's your maintenance and potential problems w/the jeep sky rocket

as long as ur not beating the crap out of it and u keep thing greased it shouldn't b a issue. Been turning 35's for 2 years now with stock front end and gears and have had no problems... that includes a fair amount off road use,
Mine is a 98 so its not even new like his

ESP 02-02-2011 01:11 PM

Any possibility you can return the wheels and tires for some 33's and tell them you will get the dealer to install your lift (more money to them in the immediate) and you'll save all this headache and money in the certain near future? You said that you do only mild off roading so I cannot see a reason to have 35's for what you want your jeep to do. There is nothing wrong with wanting 35's just to look at them on your jeep but as others have already said..once you hit that magic number you need to do many things to make it safe and get the most out of your ride. Having said that you may get your lift, regear, change out your brakes, and many other things and love your jeep all while seriously getting into off roading.

Keep in touch with the place you bought it but even more importantly, ask away on here and read about options so that your next decision carries more perspective. Nice jeep!

AOR 02-02-2011 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by NikeHighlander10 (Post 1029685)
Unfortunately I took a HUGE plunge into the deep end and hoping to tread water for a bit.

Is a 4" lift the only way to go with 35" tires? I see some people running 2.5" lifts and changing the fenders. Does that work well? I don't do alot of trail riding, I just use the vehicle for recreation and driving to work. Would the smaller lift put less stress on parts in comparison to a 4" lift?

You can go either way. The issue becomes the higher you go the more $$$ you throw at it to make it so you are breaking more expensive stuff. Stay under 3" of lift. Yes, as mentioned, smaller is better for less stress on factory parts.

If you would like pricing on lifts or tubes fenders, shoot me a PM. Check out this kit from Zone Offroad! It is on the lower end of the price spectrum without the sacrifice in quality. I can get you that kit and new gears f/r and you can pay to have them installed within your budget.

Namaste,

Allen

NikeHighlander10 02-02-2011 01:37 PM

I haven't re-calibrated the speedometer. So without recalibrating, I really won't know what type of mileage I am getting?

For what I want and my driving habits. It seems like a 2.5" lift with some trimming of the fenders might do me well? I know there is a thread on here already about the brand lifts people use, but just wondering which lifts are better than others and if anyone in the OC area has some good words about some of the shops that could do the work (since I am green when it comes to this type of stuff).

Thanks for all the information and thoughts....

NikeHighlander10 02-02-2011 01:46 PM

I have also contacted the dealer about switching to 33's but they said they would not be able to since I have already driven a good amount of mileage on the 35's.

ESP 02-02-2011 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by NikeHighlander10 (Post 1029804)
I have also contacted the dealer about switching to 33's but they said they would not be able to since I have already driven a good amount of mileage on the 35's.


Then go with a lift first to get the clearance you need and just add as you can each new part until it's right. Oh and post pics of the whole install process! We love some pics...

NikeHighlander10 02-02-2011 03:55 PM

Definitely needing the lift first, after that hopefully some Tube fenders and then see what happens with it after that. Hopefully I will be throwing money into my Jeep because I want to, not because I have to (due to issues with the 35's). Will definitely post pics once I get the lift....

E64RIT 02-02-2011 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AOR (Post 1029771)
You can go either way. The issue becomes the higher you go the more $$$ you throw at it to make it so you are breaking more expensive stuff. Stay under 3" of lift. Yes, as mentioned, smaller is better for less stress on factory parts.

If you would like pricing on lifts or tubes fenders, shoot me a PM. Check out this kit from Zone Offroad! It is on the lower end of the price spectrum without the sacrifice in quality. I can get you that kit and new gears f/r and you can pay to have them installed within your budget.

Namaste,

Allen

I have this lift on my jeep and I love it... Didn't have to change out driveshafts and was easy to install. My jeep came with the tow package so I have the 3.73 gears which I don't plan on changing out. Rides super smooth and I have the nitto trail grapplers 295/70/18's which are just a bit over 34"s tall. Can't say enough good things about the lift tho. :thumb:

myjeepandmydog 02-02-2011 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by E64RIT (Post 1030095)
I have this lift on my jeep and I love it... Didn't have to change out driveshafts and was easy to install. My jeep came with the tow package so I have the 3.73 gears which I don't plan on changing out. Rides super smooth and I have the nitto trail grapplers 295/70/18's which are just a bit over 34"s tall. Can't say enough good things about the lift tho. :thumb:

Wow, REally? I thought I should stay away from zone lifts? That is a pretty awesome price for that lift if its reliable that would be amazing. :rofl:

tuff2010 02-02-2011 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by rockhard98 (Post 1029680)
Do it the easy way and do a high fender kit for now. U can get lifts for 8-1200 but these r cheap for a.jeep and r bottom of the line stuff, save ur money and get a better setup down the road.. you'll be glad u did


Everyone, does not need a long arm kit.......8-1200 for a kit is not cheap, and whats up with your spelling, you spell like my 13 year old daughter text's

rics1997 02-02-2011 06:33 PM

Being that you said it was a 2 door a 2 1/2" lift is as big as you can go without doing major mods to the drivetrain. A 2 1/2" is plenty for your tires and will save you so much headache in the future. To go to 3" or larger lift on a short 2 door puts your drive shaft at a critical angle and you boots will go bad fast causing you to lose your grease then your U-joint goes fast after that.

swingtail82 02-02-2011 07:36 PM

QUALITY NOT QUANTITY......I'd rather have a six-pack of Sam Adams than a 12-pack of bud light.....looks like you went for the bud light approach. your outer "C's" on the front axle will need to be reinforced, because over time they will bend and cause visible camber issues.

d3digit 02-02-2011 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by tuff2010 (Post 1030176)
Everyone, does not need a long arm kit.......8-1200 for a kit is not cheap, and whats up with your spelling, you spell like my 13 year old daughter text's

:rofl::rofl:
True

Dean Gaucher 02-02-2011 08:01 PM

Not trying to offend anyone...but ive been reading stuff on this forum for awhile about lifts/tires/spare tire weight..etc..and most of the time the more hardcore off-roaders will try and tell you that you need/have to do this or that,spend this or that...youre gonna need to gusset this/strengthen that..etc...again,not tryin to be disrespectful or offensive......here is my point-doesnt it really depend on exactly what you are going to do with your Jeep? What if you are not a rock crawler/Hill climber etc....and youre mostly on-road and for looks. I have 35's,3" Zone lift on its way,3.73 gears...i drive with o/d off,and i like it...yes,it gets bad gas mileage and is slow,but its bad ass and thats all that matters.....:punk:

swingtail82 02-02-2011 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Dean Gaucher (Post 1030460)
Not trying to offend anyone...but ive been reading stuff on this forum for awhile about lifts/tires/spare tire weight..etc..and most of the time the more hardcore off-roaders will try and tell you that you need/have to do this or that,spend this or that...youre gonna need to gusset this/strengthen that..etc...again,not tryin to be disrespectful or offensive......here is my point-doesnt it really depend on exactly what you are going to do with your Jeep? What if you are not a rock crawler/Hill climber etc....and youre mostly on-road and for looks. I have 35's,3" Zone lift on its way,3.73 gears...i drive with o/d off,and i like it...yes,it gets bad gas mileage and is slow,but its bad ass and thats all that matters.....:punk:

and when you do decide to wheel it you'll do like we do.....find a weak point and make it better.....if you can learn from someone else's mistake it's easier on your pocket book in the long run. I don't care about mileage or looks although mileage is a plus if you can keep it above 15. I'm more of a functional person, not fashion, and it takes all types to make the world go round.:dance:

rockhard98 02-03-2011 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by tuff2010 (Post 1030176)
Everyone, does not need a long arm kit.......8-1200 for a kit is not cheap, and whats up with your spelling, you spell like my 13 year old daughter text's

Gotta love people that change what u say to make them selfs feel better.
not once did I say to get a long arm.. nor did I say 8-1200 was cheap... it is cheap for a jeep... do ur research and u will learn that.. and if u don't like my spelling.. not my problem..find something better to do then be a troll!!


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