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Con Artist 02-05-2011 11:02 PM

2011 Wranger Questions/Concerns
 
I have a few questions.

I joined the forum a while back, and was considering a 2010 Wrangler. I sucked it up and waited. I'm still waiting. :)

Anyway, "tax check time" is coming up, and I'm thinking about pulling the trigger on a 2011 Rubicon...but I have questions.

1. Not to start a 2dr vs. 4dr battle, but which one would be better for off-roading/control? Would a shorter wheelbase work better than a long one, or vice-versa? Also, which one would be more stable overall?

2. What is a 3-piece top, and a "Freedom" hardtop? What's the "dual-top?" Can someone provide some pics? Does the base top have removable panels?

3. Can the doors be removed from all Wrangler models, whether they be 2dr or 4dr models?

4. What does everyone think of the "Call of Duty" model? I'm really liking the black/black combo on it...

richie894 02-05-2011 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Con Artist (Post 1036677)
I have a few questions.

I joined the forum a while back, and was considering a 2010 Wrangler. I sucked it up and waited. I'm still waiting. :)

Anyway, "tax check time" is coming up, and I'm thinking about pulling the trigger on a 2011 Rubicon...but I have questions.

1. Not to start a 2dr vs. 4dr battle, but which one would be better for off-roading/control? Would a shorter wheelbase work better than a long one, or vice-versa? Also, which one would be more stable overall?

2. What is a 3-piece top, and a "Freedom" hardtop? What's the "dual-top?" Can someone provide some pics? Does the base top have removable panels?

3. Can the doors be removed from all Wrangler models, whether they be 2dr or 4dr models?

4. What does everyone think of the "Call of Duty" model? I'm really liking the black/black combo on it...

2. Dual top means you get both the hard top and soft top. The hard top comes in 3 parts. Two panels for the front, then the remaining part removes.
3. Yes
4. Unless you are a huge video game fan, you are better of just getting a regular black Rubicon. I believe for the extra money you are just getting the decals on the side and different colored wheels. When I bought my Jeep from the dealer last week, he said he has not sold any Black Ops.

bobjenkins 02-05-2011 11:20 PM

Longer wheelbase is obviously better for having more room . And also hey can tow more . If you don't have the need for more room then I'd say its basically preference . Which looks better to you? If you've got kids , etc then 4 door might be a good idea (unless yiur kids are willing to ride on the roof which I doubt LOL

mc0351 02-05-2011 11:21 PM

yes the doors will come off regardless of 2 doors or 4. i personaly like the cod version. the refernce to the game is kinda lame but i like the dark wheels, also gives it the premium black tube steps, tail guards and fuel door. the base hard top is the same no mater what package you get just differnt colors i guess, so yes the base hard top has the front removable panels. had the cod version been avalible on the sport model i would have jumped on it, i just had no need(or budget) for the rubicon.

snax 02-05-2011 11:28 PM

The COD is awesome. Especially if you have kids. You will be the coolest dad in the neighborhood. Trust me!

http://cdn.wranglerforum.com/attachm...1&d=1295929990

Con Artist 02-05-2011 11:30 PM

Thanks for the replies. I'm on the fence about the looks of the 2dr vs. 4dr, but the additional room of a 4dr would be nice. I think that in stock trim on stock wheels, the 2dr probably looks a little better to me, but on larger tires, the 4dr looks just as cool.

I probably won't ever tow a lot, mainly just a hitch-mounted bike rack, and I probably won't do any rock crawling, but I guess I just find the need to go "extreme." :redface:

I've actually never played the "Black Ops" game, and don't know the first thing about it, aside from the fact it's a "war game," but I just thought the trim looked really cool.

If I go with a standard top, is there any easy way to upgrade to another top, or is it something I couldn't do at all?

Con Artist 02-05-2011 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by snax (Post 1036705)
The COD is awesome. Especially if you have kids. You will be the coolest dad in the neighborhood. Trust me!

http://cdn.wranglerforum.com/attachm...1&d=1295929990

I hate you. I really, really hate you. :D

Crasher 02-05-2011 11:38 PM

The longer wheel base is more stable and will give a better ride. The only place a 2 door is better is going over a high obsticle that a 4 door might get high centered on and it has a tighter turning radius. The benefits of the 4 door far out weigh those 2 features of the 2 door. Almost all of the rock crawling buggys have lengthened wheel bases for stability and performance.

whiteyj 02-05-2011 11:45 PM

Having had one black car in my life ('84 Trans Am) I would never even consider it again especially in something that I wheeled. Black shows dust let alone the normal everyday grime. Spent all my time washing and waxing the Trans AM.

Ironically two white 4X4 vehicles in the harem now and love the color.

daedalus 02-06-2011 12:14 AM

If you're on the fence about a 2dr vs 4dr, it means you probably don't really need a 4dr. The 2dr just looks like a proper Jeep to me, in its stock form.

Personally I love the short wheelbase, small size, turning radius, and maneuverability of the 2dr. I love the fact that it fits into tight places and scrambles around corners like a nimble jackrabbit. I don't think the 4dr would offer the same feel.

ncossey 02-06-2011 12:32 AM

I would say a stock 2dr rubi versus a stock 4dr, the 2dr wins everytime, simply because of less weight with the same power and gears, and a smaller breakover angle. Once you put a lift on a 4dr and increase the clearance and lateral stability with larger tires, i believe 4 doors will murder a 2dr on the trail.

Con Artist 02-06-2011 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by daedalus (Post 1036752)
If you're on the fence about a 2dr vs 4dr, it means you probably don't really need a 4dr. The 2dr just looks like a proper Jeep to me, in its stock form.

Personally I love the short wheelbase, small size, turning radius, and maneuverability of the 2dr. I love the fact that it fits into tight places and scrambles around corners like a nimble jackrabbit. I don't think the 4dr would offer the same feel.

My biggest concern would be about safety and stability of one vs. the other. As for interior room, the 2dr appears to be painfully short on any type of room for rear passengers.

Funny story here, but the last time I looked at a Jeep, I couldn't find the lever on the seat to gain access to the back seats to see how tight it would be back there, but somehow, I managed to find my way into the back anyway. I got stuck back there, and I had to call the saleswoman on my cell and tell her I was stuck in the vehicle. Due to that uh...misadventure, I'm not sure about a 2dr model. :D

daggo66 02-06-2011 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Con Artist (Post 1036709)
If I go with a standard top, is there any easy way to upgrade to another top, or is it something I couldn't do at all?

There is no "upgrade". You get either the hard top or the soft top or both. Having both means using one at a time and storing the other one in your garage. The Freedom top is the hard top with the removable front panels. The Sunrider is the soft top and the front can open in a similar manner to the freedom top.

Con Artist 02-06-2011 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by daggo66 (Post 1036931)
There is no "upgrade". You get either the hard top or the soft top or both. Having both means using one at a time and storing the other one in your garage. The Freedom top is the hard top with the removable front panels. The Sunrider is the soft top and the front can open in a similar manner to the freedom top.

I mean, is it possible to purchase a different top later, or is it a structural thing that can't easily be changed later down the road? I mean, after all, Jeeps are all about fun and havjng the top down, right? :)

JPWheelin 02-06-2011 08:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Con Artist (Post 1036709)
If I go with a standard top, is there any easy way to upgrade to another top, or is it something I couldn't do at all?

You can always choose to go one way or the other and then buy a top after the fact, you just can't add it as an option to the original purchase. If you go with the hard top, there are lots of options for after market soft tops (check out Tops and Accessories for Jeep & GM, Ford, Dodge Trucks by Bestop)

daggo66 02-06-2011 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Con Artist (Post 1036980)
I mean, is it possible to purchase a different top later, or is it a structural thing that can't easily be changed later down the road? I mean, after all, Jeeps are all about fun and havjng the top down, right? :)

Yes, you can buy a different top later.

Con Artist 02-06-2011 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by JPWheelin (Post 1036998)
You can always choose to go one way or the other and then buy a top after the fact, you just can't add it as an option to the original purchase. If you go with the hard top, there are lots of options for after market soft tops (check out Tops and Accessories for Jeep & GM, Ford, Dodge Trucks by Bestop)

How is the quality of the aftermarket softtops? Is it possible to go get a OEM top from Jeep?

daggo66 02-06-2011 08:44 AM

The major manufacturer of Jeep soft tops is Bestop and they make the OEM top.

FlyinJeeps 02-06-2011 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Con Artist (Post 1036677)
I have a few questions.

I joined the forum a while back, and was considering a 2010 Wrangler. I sucked it up and waited. I'm still waiting. :)

Anyway, "tax check time" is coming up, and I'm thinking about pulling the trigger on a 2011 Rubicon...but I have questions.

1. Not to start a 2dr vs. 4dr battle, but which one would be better for off-roading/control? Would a shorter wheelbase work better than a long one, or vice-versa? Also, which one would be more stable overall?

2. What is a 3-piece top, and a "Freedom" hardtop? What's the "dual-top?" Can someone provide some pics? Does the base top have removable panels?

3. Can the doors be removed from all Wrangler models, whether they be 2dr or 4dr models?

4. What does everyone think of the "Call of Duty" model? I'm really liking the black/black combo on it...


1. Depends on what you use it for. 2dr is generally better for tight forest trails, and getting over rocks. 4dr is more stable which is better for the highway and hauling things (and trailers).

2. dual top is both the hard and soft top.

3. yes

4. It's a rubicon with black tires and some stickers. I love the rubicon..

JeeperJake 02-06-2011 10:40 AM

re: "the 2dr appears to be painfully short on any type of room for rear passengers. "

I solved that conundrum by taking out the rear seat. I have no need for 'passengers' in the rear.
Now there IS a LOT of extra-stuff room in the "mobile man-cave".

re: tops after market: while mine came with both tops, the cost of acquiring a OEM hard top after initial purchase seems REALLY spendy.

Better IMHO if you just want 'one' to get the hard top & later seek out whichever soft top you might want, of many choices available.

re: 'wheel base' as related to trail advantages: I've seen a lot of youtube stuff comparing them in similar demanding circumstances on the trail. A case can be made for either being better. What is more obvious, is that either is far far better than NO Wrangler at all.

I had labored for about a year looking for my ideal and learning what options etc are out there. While I had determined to go 4dr, when the ideal 2dr deal came along, I took that choice. Only 2000 miles into that experience, I am quite ecstatic about all the other Jeep advantages there has been no time to fret over JK vs JKU.

re: styling/color: nothing other than individual taste can answer that inquiry. Good luck.

Con Artist 02-06-2011 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by JeeperJake (Post 1037213)
re: "the 2dr appears to be painfully short on any type of room for rear passengers. "

I solved that conundrum by taking out the rear seat. I have no need for 'passengers' in the rear.
Now there IS a LOT of extra-stuff room in the "mobile man-cave".

re: tops after market: while mine came with both tops, the cost of acquiring a OEM hard top after initial purchase seems REALLY spendy.

Better IMHO if you just want 'one' to get the hard top & later seek out whichever soft top you might want, of many choices available.

re: 'wheel base' as related to trail advantages: I've seen a lot of youtube stuff comparing them in similar demanding circumstances on the trail. A case can be made for either being better. What is more obvious, is that either is far far better than NO Wrangler at all.

I had labored for about a year looking for my ideal and learning what options etc are out there. While I had determined to go 4dr, when the ideal 2dr deal came along, I took that choice. Only 2000 miles into that experience, I am quite ecstatic about all the other Jeep advantages there has been no time to fret over JK vs JKU.

re: styling/color: nothing other than individual taste can answer that inquiry. Good luck.

Maybe this is the route I will take; just get the standard hardtop that has the two removable front panels, and then buy a soft-top down the road.

As for the 4dr having better stability than the 2dr, is there a chance of flipping one over flipping the other? With the short wheelbase of the 2dr, it just looks a bit unstable to me, but of course, that could just be a perception. While it may seem like a dumb concern, I've only been in a Jeep once, and that was on a real short test drive a few months ago.

I guess besides the "stability/safety" issue(?), my biggest concern would be hitting the trails with some buddies, and wind up stuck while everybody else in their 2dr models are leaving me in the dust. :hide:

MTH 02-06-2011 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Con Artist
As for the 4dr having better stability than the 2dr, is there a chance of flipping one over flipping the other? With the short wheelbase of the 2dr, it just looks a bit unstable to me, but of course, that could just be a perception. While it may seem like a dumb concern, I've only been in a Jeep once, and that was on a real short test drive a few months ago.

Seriously? What are you planning on doing, baja racing? Attaching jets to set a land speed record?

Any vehicle can flip, but unless your either a very sophisticated driver doing ultra complex trails or a raging idiot that takes turns at 90 mph, your concerns on this are wildly overblown. A Wrangler sits higher than a car of course and has a correspondingly higher risk of rollover, but if you drive like a normal human being with a modicum of common sense you will never flip.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Con Artist
I guess besides the "stability/safety" issue(?), my biggest concern would be hitting the trails with some buddies, and wind up stuck while everybody else in their 2dr models are leaving me in the dust. :hide:

If that occurs it's because either your buddies are much better drivers than you or they have better modified their Jeeps.

All else being equal, a 2 dr may indeed be marginally better on a trail than a 4 dr, but it's unlikely to make the difference between making it out or not. That's especially true if you've never wheeled before. You'll succeed--or fail--equally with either one.

Con Artist 02-06-2011 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by MTH (Post 1037560)
Seriously? What are you planning on doing, baja racing? Attaching jets to set a land speed record?

Any vehicle can flip, but unless your either a very sophisticated driver doing ultra complex trails or a raging idiot that takes turns at 90 mph, your concerns on this are wildly overblown. A Wrangler sits higher than a car of course and has a correspondingly higher risk of rollover, but if you drive like a normal human being with a modicum of common sense you will never flip.



If that occurs it's because either your buddies are much better drivers than you or they have better modified their Jeeps.

All else being equal, a 2 dr may indeed be marginally better on a trail than a 4 dr, but it's unlikely to make the difference between making it out or not. That's especially true if you've never wheeled before. You'll succeed--or fail--equally with either one.

Well, first, I want the Rubicon so I can install some Bridgestone Potenza RE070s on it so I can take it autocrossing every other weekend. Being a Rubicon, I figured that it would probably have a wider stance, which will help in corners.

I also want to install a nitrous kit, and possibly a supercharger, after stuffing a Hemi under the hood. I also need a space where I can install wheelie-bars, because I don't want the vehicle to flip over backwards. My goal is to get it running in the 10s. :dance:

On the weekends, I'd like to remove all said parts, and then go off-roading with it. :D

Ok, ok, seriously, it's doubtful I'll ever wind up on the Rubicon Trail, or climbing in and out of terrain which resembles the Grand Canyon (like in some of these YouTube videos...).

YES, I would absolutely want to take it off-road. Why else would one own a Wrangler, right? ;) I don't have any off-roading experience, so I'm sure I'd be perfectly happy with something that will be fun in the snow, mud, and just basic "West Virginia terrain."

While I can't say that I want to "push it" to 10/10, I'd certainly like to "test" the Jeep's capabilities.

FlyinJeeps 02-06-2011 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Con Artist (Post 1037594)
Well, first, I want the Rubicon so I can install some Bridgestone Potenza RE070s on it so I can take it autocrossing every other weekend. Being a Rubicon, I figured that it would probably have a wider stance, which will help in corners.

I also want to install a nitrous kit, and possibly a supercharger, after stuffing a Hemi under the hood. I also need a space where I can install wheelie-bars, because I don't want the vehicle to flip over backwards. My goal is to get it running in the 10s. :dance:

On the weekends, I'd like to remove all said parts, and then go off-roading with it. :D

Ok, ok, seriously, it's doubtful I'll ever wind up on the Rubicon Trail, or climbing in and out of terrain which resembles the Grand Canyon (like in some of these YouTube videos...).

YES, I would absolutely want to take it off-road. Why else would one own a Wrangler, right? ;) I don't have any off-roading experience, so I'm sure I'd be perfectly happy with something that will be fun in the snow, mud, and just basic "West Virginia terrain."

While I can't say that I want to "push it" to 10/10, I'd certainly like to "test" the Jeep's capabilities.


:punk: in that case you won't be dissapointed no matter what you choose. And you'd probably be surprised how many Hemi, Supercharged, Wranglers there are out there. :D Some are even running 10's, and hitting the trails afterwards.

Con Artist 02-06-2011 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by FlyinJeeps (Post 1037688)
:punk: in that case you won't be dissapointed no matter what you choose. And you'd probably be surprised how many Hemi, Supercharged, Wranglers there are out there. :D Some are even running 10's, and hitting the trails afterwards.

Now, that would be totally AWESOME!

Okay, stupid question of the day here...as if I haven't already asked enough of them... :dance:

Is there a significant difference in amounts of footspace for rear-seat passengers between the 2dr and 4dr? While my wife don't normally have backseat passengers, it would be nice to have the room when family visits, etc. If it's a matter of an additional 2 inches or something, I can't justify the cost of the 4dr over the 2dr...

JeeperJake 02-06-2011 02:55 PM

re: "s there a significant difference in amounts of footspace for rear-seat passengers between the 2dr and 4dr?"

that's easy. In the JKU there is 20" more wheel base than the JK., mostly in the rear seating area. In the JK, there is "none" for foot space. In addition, getting TO the back seat is a challenge requiring shape shifting of a cephalopod or semi cartilaginous framework akin to nimble mutant pre teen gynmastic dwarfs.

I don't know any otherwise normal size adults who have ventured into the JK backseat and returned unscathed both physically and psychologically by the experience.

As far as flinging themselves belly up on the slightest whim, unless there has been ill considered Tonka like lifts and tires sizes determined by elevated testosterone blood
levels, there usually isn't a big problem. I've gone entire weeks hereabouts without even seeing a recent Jeep-flop site near the common through fair.

FlyinJeeps 02-06-2011 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Con Artist (Post 1037720)
Now, that would be totally AWESOME!

Okay, stupid question of the day here...as if I haven't already asked enough of them... :dance:

Is there a significant difference in amounts of footspace for rear-seat passengers between the 2dr and 4dr? While my wife don't normally have backseat passengers, it would be nice to have the room when family visits, etc. If it's a matter of an additional 2 inches or something, I can't justify the cost of the 4dr over the 2dr...

It's about 2 inches of extra footspace, I believe. If you check the size specs on the "Build it yourself" jeep.com website you'll get the exact numbers. The space of the back in the 4dr, especially with the seats down is huge. Your best bet is to go to a dealership and sit in both. If you want to see the stability differences, go right after a snowfall and test both. I have the 4dr because I needed the extra space, but if I didn't have a 120lbs dog, I'd have probably gotten the 2dr because the offroading around here is mostly tight forest trails, but most of my driving is on-road anyways. I think the 4 door is better for expeditions just because of all the gear you need to carry.

So I guess the big question is, what's more important to you, hauling cargo (including tow trailers, the 4door can haul a lot more), or hitting tight trails, rock crawling, etc.. that's what it boiled down to for me anyways..

JeeperJake 02-06-2011 03:05 PM

I'm adapting to the JK rear space as a definate upgrade. Years ago I took my sweet bride on a 3 week camping trip around the West in the old 2 dr Datson 2000 sport car. It's trunk was about the size of a bread box. There was a little room behind the rear seat to tuck foldable items.

The advantages of the JKU can not be underestimated....although one must recall the historical prominence and placement of the Model A era "Mother in Law seat"....which the JK is a decided advantage......she'd be so uncomfortable her plans to offer navigational assistance and personal life style advice would be minimal after the initial enthusiasm was met with the reality of the configuration....

dgherm 02-06-2011 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Con Artist (Post 1036677)
I have a few questions.

I joined the forum a while back, and was considering a 2010 Wrangler. I sucked it up and waited. I'm still waiting. :)

Anyway, "tax check time" is coming up, and I'm thinking about pulling the trigger on a 2011 Rubicon...but I have questions.

1. Not to start a 2dr vs. 4dr battle, but which one would be better for off-roading/control? Would a shorter wheelbase work better than a long one, or vice-versa? Also, which one would be more stable overall?

2. What is a 3-piece top, and a "Freedom" hardtop? What's the "dual-top?" Can someone provide some pics? Does the base top have removable panels?

3. Can the doors be removed from all Wrangler models, whether they be 2dr or 4dr models?

4. What does everyone think of the "Call of Duty" model? I'm really liking the black/black combo on it...


What kind of vehicle does your significant other drive? Mine has a minivan, and the kids are with here most of the time so I went with the 2dr. A little easier on the pocket. i love the short wheel base, fits nicely in paralell parking spots. No reason for people to bump your new vehicle. Went with the soft top cause I have no place to store a hard top.

tonyob 02-06-2011 03:31 PM

When I've gone offroad with my 2 door CJ7, it was great to be able to look back over your shoulder and just about see your back bumper.


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