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Jdean14 02-08-2011 07:33 PM

Transmission Jerks when I try to drive in 4WD
 
I am in the process of resurrecting a 91 YJ. (2.5 L 4 Cyl, 5 Spd Manual, 6 in suspension lift, 33 in. Pro Comp tires). I got it out of a barn and the previous owner said the 4Wd did not work or was tempermental. I have since found out that it was not connected at all:doh:. So far I have replace the 4WD actuator and it works great now. This led me to put load on the front wheels in 4WD and that snapped a porly welded up front drive shaft :banghead:. I have replaced that now with a brand new one. Now the 4WD is working and I can engage it and crawl out of the snow banks around my drive way. When I try to drive with the 4WD on there is a new problem. When I put it in 1st gear and try to get any speed up the jeep wants to jerk and lunge and feels like the transmission is going to jump out of the jeep. I am wondering what the likely causes are. I am highly suspect of the transmission mounting at this point. Can anyone point me in a direction of what to check next :surrender:?

89JEEPYJ 02-08-2011 07:58 PM

if it feels the way you are explaining, it sounds like the truck has different gear ratios front and back. You should open up both the cases and check the gear ratio and change the fluid at the same time. If you have different gear ratios you should stay away from 4wd or else your T-case will explode.
I could be wrong, does it happen in every gear and only on dry pavement??

Jdean14 02-08-2011 08:02 PM

Dry Pavement
 
When on dry pavement it jumps in first and second gear. I did not push it any further then that. I think this guy may have chaged out the rear axle and was using it only in 2WD. How can I check this? What do I look for?

Jdean14 02-08-2011 08:26 PM

Here are photos of the front and rear axle. I did not take the covers off yet.

89JEEPYJ 02-08-2011 08:47 PM

hmm i dont c the photos. U open up the case and it will say 2 numbers on the ring and pinnion such as 41 10. u take these 2 numbers and divide them and 41 10 shows u a 4.10 gear ratio. since u have a 4 cld both of them should be 410. open up the back first. if its not 410 thats ur prob right there :)

RCYJ 02-08-2011 08:47 PM

I had the same problems today. I just fixed the vacuum issues so now the front axle engages but when I tried to just drive for a few yard it just felt like the Jeep doesn't want to go or something. It feels like I'm stepping on my brakes. Did you notice that when you go reverse it was smooth? Mine was fine going in reverse for some reason.

Jdean14 02-08-2011 08:51 PM

Reverse
 
Reverse seems fine but I did not get any speed up in reverse. I will be taking the cover off and checking the rear axle ratio.

89JEEPYJ 02-08-2011 08:51 PM

RCYJ it appears ur describing a diff prob but i could be wrong. URs is the truck wont go. Jdean14 is describing he doesnt want to go b/c it begins to shake violently

Jdean14 02-08-2011 09:15 PM

Once I determine that the gear ratio is wrong (and I now think this might be the case) what should I do next? While I have the covers off can I change anything out or do I need to get an entire axle. I have never done rear axle or rear end work in the past so this is new to me. I'm sure I can figure this out but if it means a new axle I may need to find a shop to help me.

89JEEPYJ 02-09-2011 06:40 AM

I wouldn't recommend changing the gears urself. I would say you should go find a dana 44 or 8.8 with your gear ratio. If u get it rebuild it will be like 1200. If u get a heavy duty one it will be heavy duty and cheaper. Or just don't use 4wd on the street or any hard ground. Don't push ur luck and cause ur trans to blow

Jdean14 02-09-2011 05:17 PM

Shop to fix/rebuild it
 
I took the Jeep to a shop and found out the problem. As suspected a 3.73 had been put in the rear and the four wheel drive disabled. Thus they did not even come close to matching up. While at the shop they found a few other items to fix as always. They are going to rebuild the entire rear end, including the break shoes, and new breaks, and break lines, wheel bearings, and convert it back to the 4.10. Total Cost $1500! Ouch!

89JEEPYJ 02-09-2011 05:51 PM

thats to expensive. tell them screw u and go to a junkyard and get one for like 300

RednekYJ 02-09-2011 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by 89JEEPYJ (Post 1045311)
thats to expensive. tell them screw u and go to a junkyard and get one for like 300

This is a very good idea.

amerijeep 02-09-2011 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jdean14 (Post 1043142)
When on dry pavement it jumps in first and second gear. I did not push it any further then that. I think this guy may have chaged out the rear axle and was using it only in 2WD. How can I check this? What do I look for?

Is your issue with using four wheel drive on dry pavement? If it is, then that is the problem. The gear ratio for the front and rear is offset and is supposed to be that way. You are never supposed to use four wheel drive on dry pavement in your jeep.

If I am misunderstanding your problem, then I apologize, but it appears from this thread that is exactly what is being said.

89JEEPYJ 02-09-2011 06:11 PM

They quoted me for 1400 with a locker, complete rebuild and gear change

roklok 02-10-2011 09:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by amerijeep (Post 1045337)
Is your issue with using four wheel drive on dry pavement? If it is, then that is the problem. The gear ratio for the front and rear is offset and is supposed to be that way. You are never supposed to use four wheel drive on dry pavement in your jeep.

If I am misunderstanding your problem, then I apologize, but it appears from this thread that is exactly what is being said.

Ditto!

Jdean14 02-13-2011 10:11 PM

Fixed
 
Well after much work it was decided that the front and rear gear ratios had been wrong and it had been used like that. The rear end had a BENT Pinion. It ground the bearing and welded it togther. We had to cut the housing, bearing, and pinion to get it out. I could not believe this until I saw it myself. The rear end was a mess. Not able to be saved or re-geared. After all of that we could not save anything in the existing rear end. I got a used rear end at a local junk yard with 50,000 miles on it. It had the correct 4.10 and working breaks. We decided to service the breaks and break lines while it was disconnected. After all of that the service center did a test drive, and balanced all of the tires (33 Mud Terrains) and did a full vehicle check. It took several days and was more work then expeceted. The shop did hold to their origional $1500 quote and threw in a few cheap extras (4 wheel balance, front dif fluid change and service, front end alignment) to try to ease my pain. The Jeep runs great now! I drove it accross our frozen lake last night and pulled an F150 out of the snow. Great feeling!

89JEEPYJ 02-13-2011 10:13 PM

sweet congratz. Im on my 4th rear end and i just broke it :(


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