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MR.CLIFFORD 05-18-2007 11:59 PM

Smoke free bars??
 
Do you have smoke free bars where you live?? In KS they don't have any regulation over smoking in a bar. I'm sure I would go out more if I didn't smell like an ash tray when I left.

1BLKJP 05-19-2007 12:04 AM

Yup, it just started here on May 1st. Smoke Free Arizona. Kind of a pisser in my mind. Restaurants I'm cool with because I hate people smoking when I'm eating, but a bar is a different story. Especially since most of them here have patio's and you can't even smoke there now. Have to be at least 20 ft. away from any public entrance.

Andy, more and more cities up in KC are going to non-smoking in public places. Olathe where I grew up and my parents live went to it last year.

I heard today that North Carolina recently passed a law of that kind also, but their supreme court struct it down saying that it's illegal to deny a person's right to smoke a cigarette.

JCS05Rubi 05-19-2007 12:05 AM

Maryland just passed a law basically making it illegal to smoke anywhere but your car and your house.

I dont want to get into it, because this is a REAL hot button with me, but lets just say I dont believe in it. I quit smoking, but I would rather go to a bar and deal with the smoke than the state tell people how to live their lives any day of the week.

If I want to be in a smokeless bar, I would make my own buisness. Plain and simple. Got to love free enterprise.

My 02. Cant have a state that makes laws like smoke free bars, and not expect them to make laws for EVERY thing else. Be glade your still semi-free in Kansas :D

MR.CLIFFORD 05-19-2007 12:06 AM

Kansas will be the 3rd to last state to go smoke free. Took us this long to get CCW. I completely agree with the restaurant ordeal. My favorite steak comes from Outback Steak House. I go there enough that the hostess knows not to sit me anywhere close to the smoking section. I, too, agree that I don't like smelling smoke when I'm eating.

MR.CLIFFORD 05-19-2007 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by JCS05Rubi (Post 83296)
Maryland just passed a law basically making it illegal to smoke anywhere but your car and your house.

I dont want to get into it, because this is a REAL hot button with me, but lets just say I dont believe in it. I quit smoking, but I would rather go to a bar and deal with the smoke than the state tell people how to live their lives any day of the week.

If I want to be in a smokeless bar, I would make my own buisness. Plain and simple. Got to love free enterprise.

My 02. Cant have a state that makes laws like smoke free bars, and not expect them to make laws for EVERY thing else. Be glade your still semi-free in Kansas :D

I can't take the smoke. It jacks me up for a couple days afterwards. So bad that I have had to stop going to their establishment due to the smoke. Not only bars, but other businesses that get hurt such as the looney bin comedy club. For a long time they didn't offer their state of the art smoke dissipation system. Now I can go again. :)

1BLKJP 05-19-2007 12:10 AM

JC, It wasn't a law that was forced upon here in AZ unfortunately. It was a proposition that was voted on last fall. There were two different props that dealt with it. One I voted yes for and the other no. This is unfortunately the one that I didn't vote yes for.

Now in Kansas it's been the separate city councils that have been in putting the laws down. However for the entire state it will have to go to the ballots I'm sure.

MR.CLIFFORD 05-19-2007 12:13 AM

Along with everything else. I'm sure, if it comes to it, that KS will adopt the AZ law like everything else. If you read our CCW bill it is word for word straight out of AZs law book.

1BLKJP 05-19-2007 12:14 AM

That's because we have great gun laws here. We still believe the 2nd Amendment means something. :D

MR.CLIFFORD 05-19-2007 12:16 AM

I've a few friends responsible for educating business with gun buster signs. Most of those signs have now come down. It is great to help form social standards in our community. :)

JCS05Rubi 05-19-2007 12:17 AM

IC. I am just used to MD, where laws are put into action without any input from the citizens usually. IF the laws are even advetised with a hearing date anymore, they are usually so late announcing it that no one can show up (like 2 days before or so). I check the hearing schedules usually once a month, and a lot of times new laws are past without me even knowing they were offord a hearing :( Its pretty sad actually. Anywho, sorry for the misunderstanding 1BLKJP, I am just a little fed up with my state, and individual rights is a hot button issue with me. Right now this whole smoking thing is #1 on my piss me off list. I dont agree with it at all. Like I said, I dont believe the state has ANY right to say where you can smoke. That is entirely up the establishment owner. Period. If you dont want to be around it, patronize elsewhere thats smoke free, but the state should have 0 say in which establishments are smoke free and which arent.

just my .02. I am gonna stay out of this for a day or two so I dont say anything too upsetting :D

1BLKJP 05-19-2007 12:46 AM

Hell JC don't worry about it at all. We put a stop to things like you are fighting in MD a long time ago by making it so propsitions get a fair shake by the entire voting population. Hell last Nov. we had something like 20 or so props to vote on. One of them even made it so that an illegal alien couldn't sue a US citizen and recover punative damages in a civil trial.

Arizona might vote in some stupid laws that come over the border from the Republic of Kalifornia, but at least it's our citizens that are voting on them.

I also agree with you on the smoking thing also, but I had my voice heard and others were louder.

Don't worry though because the prop they were trying to pass in Scottsdale that would've made lap dances a thing of the past failed big time. Jenna Jameson made sure of that. :D

jjseel 05-19-2007 02:50 AM

We've got it heading our way, happened in Dallas a couple of years ago, I quit going out. My Beer is cheaper and colder and I'm a better cook. Even though I smoke, I don't smoke in the house, because the sh*t stinks when it gets old! I can understand not wanting to be around it, but I think that is a personal decision, NOT a civic one.

Odhinn 05-19-2007 06:31 AM

Like JJ said we have had smoke free bars in Dallas for a few years. Never really affected me to much when I smoked, I was usually at the stockyards in Ft Worth. I can see the whole state going that way in the future though. There are some cities around here that don't allow smoking within 30 feet of building entrances. Which means some downtown areas are completely off limits except in your car.

Dare2BSquare 05-19-2007 07:37 AM

Arkansas is smoke free in all public buildings and workplaces. The only exception is for bars that derive less than a certain percentage of their revenue from food sales.

MR.CLIFFORD 05-19-2007 10:51 AM

How are you supposed to know that?? LOL

Scout 05-19-2007 10:54 AM

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g1...out/smoker.gif

MR.CLIFFORD 05-19-2007 10:56 AM

are you still smoke free?

Scout 05-19-2007 11:03 AM

Yes sir! :D

MR.CLIFFORD 05-19-2007 11:22 AM

good. Keep it up!

Scout 05-19-2007 11:30 AM

Thanks! :D

stainless 05-19-2007 09:57 PM

There are a few bars within stumbling distance of my house here in Newnan. I'll drive a few miles to go to a smoke free bar just so I don't smell like smoke when I get home.

hazmat 05-31-2007 12:21 AM

Philly passed a smoking ban in bars . I quit smoking, and I don't agree with the gov't telling you who to market your business to. And now theres a pack of drunken crumbs on every corner in my neighborhood smoking and cursing and flicking butts in the street. What a crock !

Joe Dirt 05-31-2007 03:50 AM

In California all buildings are smoke free. The only exception is a smoke shop. Of course everything in California is illegal except being a criminal, now being a gangster thug is OK. Seriously, its nice to not have to breath the smoke. Some smoking friend probably wouldn't agree.

kg4kpg 05-31-2007 07:49 AM

SC is going smoke free. Your not even supposed to smoke walking around downtown. I can't stand it and my wife smoked for the first 16 years of our marriage. Now she has quit and can't stand the smell either. I say tax the hell out of them and let them smoke theirselves to death in little smoke rooms in the back. :D

RatherBNarizona 05-31-2007 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by 1BLKJP (Post 83311)
That's because we have great gun laws here. We still believe the 2nd Amendment means something. :D


X2!!!

daddyjeep 05-31-2007 11:40 AM

New York is smoke free in bars and public buildings. I could care less because I don't smoke. I too would prefer restuarants to be smoke free. I usually end up on the other side of a 3 foot high wall seperating me and my kids from the smokers.

rebelBullDawg325 05-31-2007 07:21 PM

GA passed a law a few yrs back that all public buildnings are to be smoke free except for places that only permit patrons of 18 or older. but that means bars are smoking locations. i dont know for sure of any around here that are smoke free

Dare2BSquare 05-31-2007 07:57 PM

Former smoker Bob Mathis, a Democratic state representative in Arkansas, sponsored a law that bars smoking in a car carrying a child young enough to require a car seat. It took effect in July. A violator can be fined $25 but can get out of it with proof of participation in a smoking-cessation program. A similar law took effect in Louisiana in August.


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