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wachuko 03-01-2011 12:31 PM

Another 2.5"-3" Lift Recommendation Thread
 
Friend has a 2003 Tomb Rider Edition Jeep and is looking for a modest lift that will clear 33" tires.

What would be the best route without having to modify drivetrain. The kit he is looking for must have better coil springs and include everything needed.

1. Old Man Emu 2.5" Suspension System

http://forums.rennlist.com/upload/omemu.jpg

2. Skyjacker 2.5" Standard Lift Kit with Shocks

http://forums.rennlist.com/upload/skyjacker.jpg

3. RCD Suspension 3" Lift Kit with Bilstein Shocks

http://forums.rennlist.com/upload/rcd.jpg

4. Black Diamond 3" Suspension Lift Kit

http://forums.rennlist.com/upload/black_diamond.jpg

Please let me know of any other parts or issues I should be aware when doing any lift (yes, an alignment is on the list after we install the lift).

Or any other lift kit that I left out and should consider.

He might go with aftermarket bumpers later on so the lift kit needs to be ready for any additional weight from those.

wachuko 03-01-2011 12:39 PM

And since I like to post photos...:D... We need to take better photos, but these will have to do for now. Thank you all in advanced!!

http://forums.rennlist.com/upload/img_0206.jpg

http://forums.rennlist.com/upload/img_0211_copy1.jpg

http://forums.rennlist.com/upload/img_0210_copy3.jpg


Some information I came across as I researched this special edition.

The Tomb Raider edition Rubicon was a limited run of just over 1000 units, made available for sale in July 2003. The package started with a bright-silver Rubicon with dark slate interior, and included exterior accessories:
  • A light bar across the top of the windshield
  • Black tubular grille guard
  • Fog lamps with brush guards
  • Tail lamp guards
  • Riveted fender flares in graphite
  • An aluminum diamondplate appliqué on the front bumper
  • Tomb Raider badging
  • Interior accessories:
    • Silver instrument cluster bezel
    • Silver center stack bezel
    • Red seat belts
    • Special dark slate seat covers with red accent stitching
    • Tomb Raider badge with serial number
And a photo of the one used in the movie:

http://forums.rennlist.com/upload/15...ara_drives.jpg

http://forums.rennlist.com/upload/to...r_original.jpg

http://forums.rennlist.com/upload/screen11.jpg

http://forums.rennlist.com/upload/screen10.jpg

Lara’s unique vehicle (three were built for the film) boasts an array of functional modifications, such as a roll cage with grab bars, a skid plate with simulated HID lighting and an interior with specially designed gauges, shifters, instrument panel, console and door trim.

The aftermarket components used to complete the Lara Croft’s Jeep Wrangler Rubicon include:
  • Hanson Enterprises front and rear bumpers
  • Mickey Thompson 35” Baja Claw tires and Classic II wheel with bead locks
  • Skyjacker Double Flex 4" Rock Ready long arm system
  • Warn winch and Bushwacker riveted fender flares

KBR97 03-01-2011 12:39 PM

Old Man Emu gets my vote. I dont have personal experience with any of them listed but just from doing my own research I have found OME to be always close to the top of the list.

And another side note....being that the Tomb Raider Wrangler is a limited edition production...I don;t know If I would even want to start chopping that thing up and removing "original" parts. The Jeep may or may not ever be worth anything extra, but it will never be authentic again once you start changing stuff.
Just some food for though.

kbaum03 03-01-2011 12:43 PM

I love my OME lift the max tire that they recommend is 32" without other mods.

wachuko 03-01-2011 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KBR97 (Post 1090305)
Old Man Emu gets my vote. I dont have personal experience with any of them listed but just from doing my own research I have found OME to be always close to the top of the list.

And another side note....being that the Tomb Raider Wrangler is a limited edition production...I don;t know If I would even want to start chopping that thing up and removing "original" parts. The Jeep may or may not ever be worth anything extra, but it will never be authentic again once you start changing stuff.
Just some food for though.


That is a very good point. All changes are of the bolt on type. And he will save the original parts.

Tomb Raider 03-01-2011 01:05 PM

X2 for KBR97...I too have the Tomb Raider and am conflicted about modifying as well! I am considering the same...3" lift w/33's. I have seen several with these mods, and it didn't take away from what it is, but just doesn't seem right to do! In addition, I have ditto about OME seems to be the top of list...

UnlimitedLJ04 03-01-2011 01:07 PM

I run an OME kit. You can't go wrong with it. I really like it.

But I voted for the RCD kit because it is more complete.

Either kit you go with you'll need bumpstop extensions to run 33s.

Without a BL, you'll need 2" front bumpstop extension and 2-2.5" in the rear.
With a BL, you can remove 1" off those values...so 1" front bumpstop extension and 1.5" in the rear.

Jp90Talon 03-01-2011 01:42 PM

I had an OME 2.5" suspension with jks 1.25" BL and M.O.R.E 1" MML and was very happy with the setup and 33" tires.

uf20wop 03-01-2011 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kbaum03 (Post 1090313)
I love my OME lift the max tire that they recommend is 32" without other mods.

can you post a pic of your jeep?

wachuko 03-01-2011 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UnlimitedLJ04 (Post 1090347)
I run an OME kit. You can't go wrong with it. I really like it.

But I voted for the RCD kit because it is more complete.

Either kit you go with you'll need bumpstop extensions to run 33s.

Without a BL, you'll need 2" front bumpstop extension and 2-2.5" in the rear.
With a BL, you can remove 1" off those values...so 1" front bumpstop extension and 1.5" in the rear.

I think the kits brings the bumpstops. But I will make a note to check when ordering. Thank you!!:thumb:

kbaum03 03-01-2011 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by uf20wop (Post 1090411)
can you post a pic of your jeep?

I will try to this weekend working long hours right now.

KawiMonsterSahara 03-01-2011 03:23 PM

Rubicon Express 2" BB, 1" MML, JKS 1.25" BL

wachuko 03-01-2011 04:15 PM

Listing the prices for each of the options:

1. Old Man Emu 2.5" Suspension System - US$ 776.99
2. Skyjacker 2.5" Standard Lift Kit with Shocks - US$ 846.99
3. RCD Suspension 3" Lift Kit with Bilstein Shocks - US$ 699.99
4. Black Diamond 3" Suspension Lift Kit - US$ 683.99

FLpaindoc 03-01-2011 04:30 PM

Thanks for posting this Jaime. It is good to have a friend like you, Angel, with all his add-ons, and I, with all my questions, really appreciate your help. Guys, I am the owner of the Tomb Raider edition. By my research in the forums I learned thet you guys either love them or hate them (bunch of haters!!!). I just wanted a jeep and found this one locally for a decent price. I Like uncomon cars and this seems to fit the bill. I can only find one for sale on Autotrader.com, and for a lot more than what I paid (and twice the miles). I would like to tastefully modify it, I don't want to copy the real one (at least for now ;)).
First thing will be the lift and Jaime (AKA: WACHUCO) Kindly offered his help. Then bigger tires, I still don't know if I am going to keep the original wheels on the new tires (open to suggestions). Also a winch is on the list, For know with the stock bumper. What else would you do?

Tomb Raider 03-01-2011 09:01 PM

I feel you...we seem be a breed among our own...I have T R also and want to fit in, and feel your pain! (nobody likes us), but want to trail like all others! I can tell you, that with mine, it trails like all others can! It is a rubi, and with that, it can hang with the best of them! It does what many others can't, out of the box...and others can put us to the test! BRING IT ON! Anyway...just wanted to let you know you are not alone brother!

wachuko 03-02-2011 07:25 AM

I really like the RCD Suspension 3" Lift Kit with Bilstein Shocks if only because of the Bilstein shocks... but being new to Jeeps I have no frame of reference. And it has been difficult to find any reviews on it for Jeeps. Very good feedback on their kits for the pickup trucks.

AOR 03-02-2011 08:20 AM

Other - Zone Offroad 3" coil kit with Nitro shocks, steering stabilizer, JKS 1" motor lift, shipped for $560.76. Add in Rock Krawler rear adjustable UCAs for $224.57 shipped. Or Currie Enterprise CE-9103 rear UCAs for $258.36 shipped.

The CE-9103s are on the shelf. The rock Krawler's will be 5~7 business days to build. They are slammed keeping up with the Rubicon Express overflow.

Namaste,

Allen

UnlimitedLJ04 03-02-2011 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wachuko (Post 1091771)
I really like the RCD Suspension 3" Lift Kit with Bilstein Shocks if only because of the Bilstein shocks... but being new to Jeeps I have no frame of reference. And it has been difficult to find any reviews on it for Jeeps. Very good feedback on their kits for the pickup trucks.

their TJ is pretty new...so thats why there isn't a lot of reviews. Like I said, I run OME and am very happy with it...but since you're new, I voted you go with RCD because it has a more complete lift kit...with bumpstops and such. OME doesn't include enough bumpstop for your application, and you'd need to do further research to determine what you need.

wachuko 03-02-2011 01:02 PM

Thank you all for your comments and recommendations... now up to FLpaindoc to decide on what to order. :)

wachuko 03-08-2011 03:58 PM

He ordered the RCD Suspension 3" Lift Kit with Bilstein Shocks - US$ 699.99. Is backordered so it will take some time to get here...

While we wait, just a quick question that came up. With that suspension setup, what would it take to run 35" tires instead of the 33"?? Justa 1" body lift would do??

And if he goes with 35" tires, what additional changes would be needed to the drivetrain??

and... baby steps, fuel door installed.

http://forums.rennlist.com/upload/fuel_door.jpg

05wrangler 03-08-2011 04:07 PM

i would think that you might need one or two more inches to get 35s to clear in turns. so maybe 5 inches all together, also if you have a dana 44 (witch yours should) then thats ok, a dana 35 will need to be regeard. and a SYE kit and cv driveshaft should be installed. upgrade your braking and stearing sytem also

wachuko 03-08-2011 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 05wrangler (Post 1104830)
i would think that you might need one or two more inches to get 35s to clear in turns. so maybe 5 inches all together, also if you have a dana 44 (witch yours should) then thats ok, a dana 35 will need to be regeard. and a SYE kit and cv driveshaft should be installed. upgrade your braking and stearing sytem also

That sounds like a significant amount of money to be able to run the 35's... ouch :eek:

Thank you for the info :thumb:

Jwyatt 03-08-2011 07:40 PM

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I've got 2.5 inch lift. + bodylift 35s. Km2s.

Merle Swaggard 03-08-2011 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wachuko (Post 1105356)
That sounds like a significant amount of money to be able to run the 35's... ouch :eek:

Thank you for the info :thumb:

Run 33's see how you like them they wheel well and you can save up to re gear and get sye or what not then sell your 33's and get 35's :punk:

k1lr0y 03-09-2011 05:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wachuko (Post 1091771)
i really like the rcd suspension 3" lift kit with bilstein shocks if only because of the bilstein shocks... But being new to jeeps i have no frame of reference. And it has been difficult to find any reviews on it for jeeps.~

+1

Mike5087 03-09-2011 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by UnlimitedLJ04
their TJ is pretty new...so thats why there isn't a lot of reviews. Like I said, I run OME and am very happy with it...but since you're new, I voted you go with RCD because it has a more complete lift kit...with bumpstops and such. OME doesn't include enough bumpstop for your application, and you'd need to do further research to determine what you need.


What if ya wanted to run 32s?! Should have a pretty complete kit huh?!? Don't know much about them and getting ready to purchase the OME lift.

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Jeepoffroad04 03-09-2011 07:01 AM

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I've got 2.5 inch lift. + bodylift 35s. Km2s.

Yjs have the leaf springs they dont sag down as much as coils so 2.5 wouldent clear 35s aswell a yj would. plus I would recommend a 4" lift if you want to run 33s. This a pic of my jeep with a 2.5" lift and 33s

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wachuko 03-09-2011 07:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeepoffroad04 (Post 1106435)
Yjs have the leaf springs they dont sag down as much as coils so 2.5 wouldent clear 35s aswell a yj would. plus I would recommend a 4" lift if you want to run 33s. This a pic of my jeep with a 2.5" lift and 33s

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I am guessing you meant 35s"

That was my thinking as well... If running 35's, go with, at minimum, a 4" lift.

But was just asking since it came up during a conversation with the owner of this Jeep. He checks this thread, so if he wants to ultimately go with 35's the time is now to cancel the RCD order and order a 4" lift kit... but there are additional parts needed that we would have to figure out.

RCD kit for 4" lift - 899.99

http://forums.rennlist.com/upload/rcd4.jpg

Jwyatt 03-09-2011 08:15 AM

Well I cheated with a three inch body lift.

UnlimitedLJ04 03-09-2011 08:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike5087 (Post 1106382)
What if ya wanted to run 32s?! Should have a pretty complete kit huh?!? Don't know much about them and getting ready to purchase the OME lift.

32s will fit great with 1" bumpstop extensions front and 1.25-1.5" rear and no body lift.

I don't know what bumpstop length comes with the RCD kit, but I do know what the OME kit comes with.

The OME kit comes with 20mm bumpstops for the rear, which isn't enough. You need at least 1.25". You can make that difference up with fender washers if you like or buy a 2" bumpstop extension and cut it down by hand. Otherwise the shocks bottom out and the rear track bar relocation bracket will hit the underside of the tub floor. Notice I said nothing about tire size.

Again, tire size is independent of lift height.

Quote:

Originally Posted by wachuko (Post 1106464)
But was just asking since it came up during a conversation with the owner of this Jeep. He checks this thread, so if he wants to ultimately go with 35's the time is now to cancel the RCD order and order a 4" lift kit... but there are additional parts needed that we would have to figure out.

stay away from the poly bushings. the poly bushings are my major complaint with the RCD 4" kit, otherwise its pretty complete (the Daystar jounce bumpers are useless so you'd need to get new front bumpstop extensions, needs longer front brake lines, and don't install the drop pitman arm)..., you could always buy the kit and put Rokmen, Clayton or Currie arms on it...then sell the RCD arms...kinda of a waste of time tho, IMHO.


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