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SoCal Climber 05-27-2007 05:05 PM

Newbie Question Stock Wrangler
I just bought a 1999 Wrangler Sport 4.0 5 Spd. I bought this as a toy only and want to start with the mods right away. Does anyone have any suggestions? (Its Completely stock now)
Thanks in advance for any help. By the way I'm looking to hook up with fellow climbers in So Cal soon.

bluvikng 05-27-2007 05:22 PM

Welcome, SoCal Climber. Glad to have you on board. It is hard to recommend improvements to your Jeep, without knowing how capable of a climber you want to build. How large, do you want to go? What size tires are you wanting to run? The list of upgrades, is endless. Tell us more about your intentions, which will make the advise, easier.

Joe Dirt 05-27-2007 05:29 PM

1st of all you need to determine what you are going to use your Jeep for (rocks, mud, trails, street). That will help you determine what mods you need/want. The bigger tires and lift you get, the more mods you need to make it all work correctly. Example...tall tires need tall lifts and bigger axles, regearing, new driveshafts.....It all depends on what you need and how much money you want to spend. 31" tires and 2" spacers will take you down most trails and don't cost that much. 33" tires will give you more clearance, but need 3"-4" lift, and other mods such as a SYE, new rear shaft, regearing and maybe upgraded axles are a good idea to make it work right. 35"-37" tires mean new axles front and rear or you'll probably break them. Along with 6"+ lifts....ect
See what I mean. List what you want to do and what size tires you want to run, then you'll get a lot of good advise of how to best build it. Good luck, look forward to hearing how your build up goes.

Texapple 05-27-2007 06:58 PM

not knowing your previous experience, if this is your first Jeep: wheel it stock and determine your build from there....go slow, grasshopper :D wisely

Dare2BSquare 05-27-2007 07:31 PM

amen. No use doing things only to have to redo them later. Builds are really expensive that way.

activelydying 05-27-2007 07:32 PM

builds are really expensive every way

Jerry Bransford 05-27-2007 08:23 PM

And, uh, what's your budget? :D

SoCal Climber 05-29-2007 06:20 PM

Original Post Reply
Thank you all for your feedback,
Well here is the thing I would like to be able to cruise my jeep on the streets however I bought this as a toy so I would like to build it up right the first time. I come from a very competitive MX Racing background and my wife is encouraging me to have four wheels and a roll cage. I would like to build something that I can eventually climb some pretty hairy hills etc. As informed earlier I would really like to build this up right the first time. As far as a budget I really don't have one however, the more cost involved the longer it will take me to complete it.

Again your feedback is greatly appreciated and I look forward to meeting some of the So Cal members soon.

1BLKJP 05-29-2007 06:23 PM

Well if you are wanting to go from Mild to Wild right off the bat then the first thing I would look at is the rear axle. If you can determine if you have Dana 35 (Round Diff with a plastic fill cap) or a Dana 44 (More odd shaped diff with a metal screw in fill plug also the preferred axle of the two). Determing this would then lead me to either the addition of a new rear axle or being able to move on to other area's of enhancement first.

SoCal Climber 05-29-2007 06:41 PM

I actually pick up the jeep in about an hour I will check to see What it has.

4.0l sahara 05-29-2007 06:49 PM

What type of off road are you going to be doing?:D Even if you have a d35 don't be sad.:( If you have a d44 than you are good to go.If you have a d35 you could beef it up depending on tire size or replace it down the road.:D :cool:

debruins 05-29-2007 07:37 PM

skid plates galore
35's or 33's if u have the D35
6in.of lift-4in. if 33's
now start reading up on the fourm and see what you think you wil personally need and how much it will cost you

welcome to WF and the addiction; btw

SoCal Climber 05-29-2007 10:44 PM

Picks of my rear diff.
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Here is a pic of my rear diff.

SoCal Climber 05-29-2007 10:45 PM

After a 1 hour loop near my house. I realized I need a lift badly.

Jerry Bransford 05-30-2007 02:02 AM

You are fortunate, you have the highly desireable Dana 44 axle suitable for most forms of offroading, lockers, big tires, etc.. :)

Joe Dirt 05-30-2007 02:15 AM

You lucky dog. You've got a Dana 44 axle which can handle up to 35" tires. It sounds like your looking for a good trail rig with desent clearance, but good street manors too. I'd recomend a very popular setup of 3-4" lift with 33x12.5 tires. Rubicon Express, Rusty's and several other manufactures make good products. Stay away from the budget kits and make sure you get one with new adjustible control arms and adjustible track bars. These will keep it tracking straight and eliminate driveline vibrations. The cheep kits will in turn cause these two problems. A SYE kit is also a great addition. Add skid plates and lockers for a nice trail rig. Do your research. Good luck.

SoCal Climber 05-30-2007 11:32 AM

Thanks for the Feedback,
My friend is telling me I should go with the RS 5.5" Lift with 35" Tires. Would this not be a good setup? He did say that it would depend on my gearing. How can i check my gearing?

Mike001 05-30-2007 11:50 AM

If you want to do it right the first time I would get RE 5.5 in long arm with the trilink upgrade or a rockkrawler longarm suspension. Go long arm though regardless of the company I personally like Rubicon Express. You can also get a 4.5 in lift and some tube fenders to run 35's. If you're gonna be on rocks and climbing stuf stretch it 5 inches and get some competition corners. I would also get a Super44 kit for the rear and a super 30 axle kit for the front. The list is endless but think before you start spending money, that way, like you said, you only have to do it once.

SoCal Climber 05-30-2007 01:25 PM

Folow Up
I will read some of the other threads and start looking for the best place to buy my products. I would like to get started right away. I will take plenty of pics. and inform you all of my progress.

Mike001 05-30-2007 01:38 PM

Check they got real sweet deals and absolutoffroad is real good I hear but I don't have experience with them, yet.

Joe Dirt 05-30-2007 03:14 PM

Check your budget. 35" tires and 5.5" lift WILL require a SYE, better brakes, Axle shaft upgrades, ect. There is a BIG difference between what is required for a 4" with 33's and a 5.5" with 35's. Price it out because 35's without the right supporting modifications will be a piece of crap.

1BLKJP 05-30-2007 04:41 PM


Originally Posted by Joe Dirt (Post 86643)
Check your budget. 35" tires and 5.5" lift WILL require a SYE, better brakes, Axle shaft upgrades, ect. There is a BIG difference between what is required for a 4" with 33's and a 5.5" with 35's. Price it out because 35's without the right supporting modifications will be a piece of crap.

Ah, you don't need all that to run 35's. I run 35's on stock axles D30/D44 (With Spares), stock brakes and stock gearing.

I also recommend just going right after the Long Arm setup if you are wanting to just build it once. I went from no lift and 31's to 5.5" and 35's and haven't had to spend the money several different times to get there.

I'm pretty partial to Rock Krawler because it's simple, beefy and IT WORKS.

SoCal Climber 05-30-2007 06:03 PM


I have decided on the 5.5" Rubicon Express Extreme Long arm. from the get go, I will be replacing the Rear CV and adding a new S.Y.E. What tires and Rims do you recommend for this solution. Can someone tell me how hard this install will be? I don't really want to pay 600 bucks for the install but i'm thinking it may be the way to go. Any suggestions? I know I will probably need to do some re-gearing but I'm sure I can get away with this for a while. I'm thinking 4.88 gearing, Would you agree? At that time I will add some lockers. I have learned this much reading other post and speaking to my friend that is a new member here. If i'm heading in the wrong direction please let me know.

1BLKJP 05-30-2007 06:10 PM

I don't think you will be disapointed in the RE setup. I ran basically that same lift for a few years. However if you can swing it I would suggest doing their upgrade to the triangulated rear. It will allow you to get rid of the trac-bar and alow much more freedom in the rear suspension.

The install isn't necessarily hard as long as you have the right tools and a good place to work. Air and a plasma cutter would be a huge bonus, but it can be done without them. The biggest thing that you have to do with that setup is to cut off your lower control arm mounts on the frame. Just allow yourself plenty of time to do the job and try not to get frustrated with it.

You might also want to look into the steering setup as well. With 33 and 35" tires it really puts a lot of stress on the stock setup and a bent tie rod is never a fun thing to deal with on the trail. Currie, Rock Krawler and others make good replacement steering setups for the TJ that are much beefier.

Mike001 05-30-2007 06:40 PM

Hell yeah dude thats what I'm talkin about. I'd get some Goodyear Wrangler MTR's or Maxxis Creepy Crawlers.

SoCal Climber 05-30-2007 09:14 PM

How is the Full Traction Kits?

SoCal Climber 05-30-2007 09:36 PM

I got a quote today for the RE Extreme Long arm and RE MonoShocks for 2850.00 is this a good deal?

Mike001 05-30-2007 09:41 PM

Check this out I think, no I know, its a better deal then spend another $300 or so for shocks.

Mike001 05-30-2007 09:44 PM

I don't like full traction don;t ask me why I just don't

Mike001 05-30-2007 09:47 PM

You might be able to find them cheaper I don't know but here are the shocks I have these and love them they are great but this set up is about the same price as the one you got quoted on and you get everything suspension and driveline wise you need.

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