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TjTheo 03-24-2011 02:24 PM

Jeep vs tree (pics)
 
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So going home last night i lost control on a snowy road.
I was in 4wd and the back slide out
corrected it once
slide out again
corrected it
third time was the charm and i saw the woods shining in my headlights.
headed straight for a tree on the opposite side of the road.
hit it with my big a$$ custom tube bumper at around 20mph im guessing.
the tow hook stabed inside the tree. my bumper saved my jeep from being totaled for the second time (last time with a deer)

but i need a new driver side fender and an alignment
the fender is like raised up, so it also tilted the grill a bit,i figured when i get a new fender ill just try to fix the grill cause they're expensive.

i looked under and everything seems to be fine
but the drivers side wheel is cocked out a bit.
could it be just out of alignment?
or does that mean something is bent?


here are the pics, just took them today

99Wrangler4x4 03-24-2011 02:26 PM

That's a Jeep for ya!

danieldlg_13 03-24-2011 02:33 PM

It looks off a little. Looking at picture 2, either the grill or the brush guard is cocked a bit. Hopefully nothing happened to the chasis.

TjTheo 03-24-2011 02:36 PM

think the bumper is fine, i checked the frame and everything under and it looked fine im gonna go get a second opinion soon

Jeep Wrangler Parts > 1998 Jeep Wrangler FENDER, STEEL, PRIMERED, FRONT, DRIVER SIDEWith fender flare holes; Made from tough impact-resistant steel; Designed to match OE quality, durability, fit, and finish.
how does this look? is it a scam? cause thats pretty cheap haha

h2obill 03-24-2011 02:46 PM

I'm guessing you'll want to inspect all of your front end alignment parts (tie rod, tie rod ends, ball joints, drag link, etc...) Something might be bent or loose. I'm sure someone with a bit more knowledge will chime in.

GroundHawg 03-24-2011 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by h2obill
I'm guessing you'll want to inspect all of your front end alignment parts (tie rod, tie rod ends, ball joints, drag link, etc...) Something might be bent or loose. I'm sure someone with a bit more knowledge will chime in.

No you got it exactly. I'd get under it and give her a good look around. Jack up the front, grab a tire, try to move it up and down, sideways, etc. Check out your brakes and lines too.

Get the Jeep aligned, and be careful driving it for awhile. A damaged bushing might not show itself at first.

Keep an eye on the coolant and radiator. Watch for any leaks closely for the next week.

Lastly, I'm glad you're ok. But man, you got to slow down. If the rear wants to get up front, you either need to slow down or get in 4wd. If you're still bringing that back end around in 4wd, there's ice, or hard compacted snow. Drop off 5-10mph

TjTheo 03-24-2011 03:01 PM

Yeah thanks guys, the guy at the garage says everything looks fine i just need an alignment.
and ill do the fender myself.

my back tires dont have too much tread on them so thats why i slide out.
thanks for caring though haha my parent didnt even ask if i was okay

GroundHawg 03-24-2011 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by TjTheo
Yeah thanks guys, the guy at the garage says everything looks fine i just need an alignment.
and ill do the fender myself.

my back tires dont have too much tread on them so thats why i slide out.
thanks for caring though haha my parent didnt even ask if i was okay

Get some new tires. They are easily the most important/underrated component in vehicles.

Be careful until then

TjTheo 03-24-2011 03:33 PM

i was looking into getting some mce flatties too haha,
but i think i need a whole new fender.

GroundHawg 03-24-2011 03:44 PM

Hell if you can't bend it back it's the perfect time to ditch those and pick a cool aftermarket set up :D

That's how I do it. Run stuff till you break it, then upgrade :D

motokeen 03-24-2011 04:07 PM

Leave it. Thats what gives it some jeep charm. Plus you will wheel it harder when you don't have to worry about hurting it so much. Then later get some tube fenders.

TjTheo 03-24-2011 04:08 PM

I would leave it but the hood doesn't sit straight because of it, and one of the hood catches snapped off so when i got around 35 the hood starts fluttering.

im worried about the grill too though, it doesnt sit straight. not sure how to fix that.

C.L. 03-24-2011 05:03 PM

You, sir, need to go to the "you know you drive a jeep when..." thread and post.

You definitely know you drive a jeep when you hit a tree at 20mph and need a second opinion on whether anything is actually damaged!

jkaufman_95 03-24-2011 07:44 PM

We do drive tanks don't we? That's exactly what my insurance agent said when I asked why insurance on a 16 yro was $100 a month. " well jack you drive a tank with a roll cage"

bluetj97 03-24-2011 08:29 PM

I bet my story blows urs away!!!! If u wanna know pm me

01WranglerGuy 03-24-2011 08:57 PM

I changed out the drivers side fender on my TJ it was'nt to bad off a job and 1 qt of matched up paint and you cant tell the difference. Good luck with the grill have'nt messed with one of those yet. But i bought a haynes manual for mine and it really helps out with the pictures.

TjTheo 03-24-2011 09:09 PM

tried to straighten the grill out didnt work,

it worked a little but but for some reason the hood wont go down it's even worse, also straightened the fender, same story.

Everything is bent in a way that i cant understand how.
i hope it's not the frame.
no idea.

mom says insurance wont cover for it.
idk lol.

GroundHawg 03-24-2011 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by TjTheo
tried to straighten the grill out didnt work,

it worked a little but but for some reason the hood wont go down it's even worse, also straightened the fender, same story.

Everything is bent in a way that i cant understand how.
i hope it's not the frame.
no idea.

Get under it and check out the body bolts/mounts. Look for any bent, or broken. The bolts will snitch out a bent frame.

Also when you get the alignment, bent axles and frames can be discovered.

GroundHawg 03-24-2011 09:30 PM

How bad is that grill/hood and fender? Toss a pic up. The fenders I'd replace. The grill you can remove and pound it with a 10lbs sledge.

If you're ballsy you can put a chain around it and pull it with another Jeep or car SLOWLY and pull it straight.

I need pics though to properly judge

TjTheo 03-24-2011 09:46 PM

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i used the jack to push the grill up from underneath to straighten it. and i got it straight with the jack and tried to close the hood and it was even worse (like the hood was even farther from closing straight), when i left off the jack the grill went right back.

the hood isnt bent at all but it appears to be pulled towards the passenger side.
im not sure how its all bent though it confuses me.

here are some more pictures from earlier today, basically looks the same now.

you can see how bad the grill is slanted. by looking at the bumper and headlights.
you could also see it by the grey chaulk that used to be right where the grill and bumper met.
i put the jack under the passenfer side of the grill (removed all bolts first)
and i jacked it up till it got straight and then i did it more.
4 attempts and it didnt work.

GroundHawg 03-24-2011 09:54 PM

Man, I have no idea how to fix that. Personally I'd run it to a body shop after your alignment and stuff.

I'm not too good with body stuff. It looks like the grill won't seat. I thought you dented it in toward the radiator.

Tarby 03-24-2011 10:09 PM

Check your cowl where the hood hinges are bolted to. The impact you had at that speed will push your hood, tweak your cowl, and also check the tub where your fender is attached to see if the mount holes are twisted up from impact. Loosen everything up and see if it drops down at all. I have seen this in the shop I work at alot. We usually end up using the frame machine to do panel or body pull to get it back in shape if it is out of whack.

You will need to PULL the damaged side DOWN to bring it into line with the good side.
I would say your grill will have to be pulled down and out towards the wheel opening to get it to spec...just by seeing what your pic shows and by what you have described. You will want a new fender, because it will be the correct angle and fitment as if it was back in spec. Just my 2 cents to help you along. Hope I did some good for you. It really isn't a big deal, just can get a little involved without the right equipment or practice in doing the pull. I by no means am an expert, I have co-workers that are on the frame machine to do pulls and just give them some extra help when they need it...I do finishing and R & I at the shop...

TjTheo 03-24-2011 10:37 PM

the cowl is fine, the hood looks fine too.
the bumper took all of the impact.
(i think its quarter inch thick tube the p.o made it)
i think a branch might of fell on the fender and cause that part to bend like that and i might of pulled the grill with it
.
ill take it to a body shop though.
thanks for the advice guys a really appreciate it
expecially GroundHawg and Tarby.
:]

if i figure anything else out or have more questions ill definitely come back here.

GroundHawg 03-24-2011 10:56 PM

Cool and you're welcome. I hope everything works out well for you. Post pics up if you get new fenders or a different colored grill or something like that :D

jkaufman_95 03-24-2011 11:48 PM

It looks like the fender has rust damage as well which be why it won't straighten. Just my .02.

TjTheo 03-25-2011 08:59 PM

Looked at it more today and the whole front end is moved towards the drivers side.
I looked at the frame too and i really didnt see anything.
if i remove the bolts i might be able to bend the whole front end back, then the hood would sit straight.

do you think the frame could be bent from something like this?
i do have a pretty crazy strong bumper. i dont know.

jkaufman_95 03-25-2011 09:40 PM

well the bumper being directly attached to the frame i guess if the bumper wouldnt give the weakest point would and that COULD be part of your frame, exp if it is very rusted.
also it looks like the reason your grill is bent is because the bumper has a plate that rests on it and if your bumper got pushed back (or the frame) that would cause the bumper to not set correctly

TjTheo 03-25-2011 09:46 PM

that would really really suck :[

jkaufman_95 03-25-2011 10:17 PM

well i am just thinking MAYBE thats what happened because i cant see any damage to the bumper and 20mph is a hard enough hit that it had to damage something.. take it to a body shop that can do frame straightening.. why couldnt you turn it into insurance?

TjTheo 03-25-2011 10:31 PM

Only have liability.
So they will only pay for the other persons car if i get into a crash (thats what my mom said at least haha)


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