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zaitcev 03-26-2011 11:31 PM

J8 w/ Diesel through AEV
 
I saw a tip at "Jeeps Offroad" forum, pointing to article at JPfreek, which quoted Mark Allen: "The J8 MILSPEC offered through American Expedition Vehicles is a direct result of being driven by the enthusiast. This program is a very non-traditional approach, but was necessary to allow quick access to the U.S consumer of what many consider the ultimate Jeep." The rest was down to Bing/Google.

So, for those who want a jeep with diesel, here it is, apparently available now:
American Expedition Vehicles (AEV) - The AEV J8 MILSPEC, the toughest jeep available to civilians ever

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These vehicles are sold as component chassis only, meaning that they are delivered completely assembled with everything but the engine and transmission installed. They must be completed by the end customer who must install or contract an independent shop to install the engine and transmission (bolt in, plug in, hook up hoses) and register the vehicle as a component vehicle with a state assigned VIN number. For more information contact AEV at 406-251-2100 ext 101.
This is a cunning way to bypass anti-diesel regulations.

-- Pete

MTH 03-27-2011 12:48 AM

Right. You--not AEV or Jeep--are the "manufacturer."

The J8 has supposedly been available for some time now, and it's always been offered with either a Hemi or the diesel engine. I have yet to actually hear that anyone has gotten one though.

At $50k+ when it's all said and done, they aren't exactly bargains either.

Anybody actually ever seen or heard of a real one in civilian hands?

Hilldweller 03-27-2011 05:22 AM

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Originally Posted by MTH (Post 1140590)
I have yet to actually hear that anyone has gotten one though.

Anybody actually ever seen or heard of a real one in civilian hands?

Scott Brady from Overland Journal has been driving one around for over a year and loves it.
I took a couple of pictures of it when it was a virgin.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...arlman/492.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...n/491_crop.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...arlman/490.jpg

It's featured in OJ's 2011 Gear Guide issue.

Obligatory shot of my Jeep.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...livered009.jpg

MTH 03-27-2011 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Hilldweller
Scott Brady from Overland Journal has been driving one around for over a year and loves it.

Thanks. Love the pics.

Does that really count though, or is that more like Nike giving a pro basketball player prototype shoes? Have you seen or heard of anyone not media-related getting one simply by ordering, paying, and taking delivery? Even the J8 blogs on AEV's own site are mostly just people asking about when they can get one.

Given what folks are willing to pay Burnsville or AEV for hemi-equipped Jeeps, I'd expect J8s at around $50k would be more popular.

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Originally Posted by Hilldweller
Obligatory shot of my Jeep.

Well of course. Looks good! ;)

Hilldweller 03-27-2011 08:32 AM

I pinged Dave and asked if there's a possibility of a diesel kit for our Jeeps.
I don't have the scratch for a J8 right now....

And yeah, Scott's J8 is a celebrity perk. But he does use it often, hard, and for real.

John412 03-27-2011 08:53 AM

I live the idea of the j8 not for the diesel but the fact that it is
Much heavier duty than the standard wrangler. I've seen you guys talking 50000$ for this but I think it's a bit more than that by the time you take delivery and drive that off the "lot". I feel a well equipped wrangler will out wheel this thing for alot less than 50000 invested.

MTH 03-27-2011 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by John412
I've seen you guys talking 50000$ for this but I think it's a bit more than that by the time you take delivery and drive that off the "lot".

I think that's the number I saw in an online write-up by AEV. You're probably right though. I'd hope for $50k and expect $60k.

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Originally Posted by John412
I feel a well equipped wrangler will out wheel this thing for alot less than 50000 invested.

No doubt. But would it last as long under extreme conditions? Would it handle a beating as well? I think that's where the J8--supposedly--does so well.

John412 03-27-2011 09:24 AM

I know there are a few obvious differences in the j8 compared to a stock rubicon. The Dana 60 and the j8's one ton rating make it Obvisouly a Beefier jeep. I can only assume there are alot more welds and better construction throughout the jeep and that's the biggest difference I have a distinct plan for my jk and figure for 35000 it will be able to wheel with the best if them. I do not plan on Dana 60 on 37's as there not needed but what I have designed for this jeep will be sweet.

MTH 03-27-2011 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by John412
I know there are a few obvious differences in the j8 compared to a stock rubicon. The Dana 60 and the j8's one ton rating make it Obvisouly a Beefier jeep.

You go it. The phrase I saw AEV use was that it's structural parts and brakes are essentially from a dodge ram, it's also got a much beefier suspension (you can see the rear leaves in Hilldweller's pics--that might be dodge ram too, I'm not familiar enough to know), D60 rear like you said and a D44 front, the body panels are reinforced, etc. There are also engine modifications beyond just tossing in the euro diesel or US Hemi--the air intake for example is apparently outfitted to withstand a five hour blackout sandstorm, which would of course kill most stock intake set ups.

It is literally the same set up Jeep sells to governments for military applications. Hence the "milspec".

Notably, unlike a rubi, it doesn't have lockers. It comes with an LSD in the rear and open diff in front.

I have no doubt you could dump $20k extra into a rubi and outwheel it. I don't think you'd outLIVE it though! ;)

John412 03-27-2011 12:20 PM

The air intake system is Intresting to me. I would like to see what is involved in that. I wondered why they didn't just use there snorkel system with a pre filter. I know my aev with pre filter captures Alot of sand and debris, alot of guys I wheel with use the same system with the ram air scoop. I don't trust that set up with the water and sand that I frequent. It Obvisouly works but I'll keep my pre filter, plus it's gets alot of funny looks and attention on top of being more functional in my opinion. I know it doesn't have the durabilty of the heavy plastic ram air scoop but I have had my pre filter in some tight trails with the trail rash to prove it and it hasn't broke yet. I'm gonna get a spare housing to keep in my one of my gear totes just in case though.

Hilldweller 03-28-2011 09:26 AM

That $50K gives you the beefy suspension and a diesel; a built Rubicon is still a gasoline engine.
The J8 will do all your wheeling, take you anywhere you want to go, and give you 28 mpg in mixed driving.
Sometimes range matters...

dig the vid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-C2oc8rhHg

MTH 03-28-2011 01:14 PM

I want--badly. This is about the only vehicle I'd trade my JK for.

Of course, if I ever have this kind of cash to blow on a Jeep, I'll necessarily have enough to toss a Hemi in my JK, complete all other desired mods, AND pick up a J8. :D

Wolf1 03-28-2011 09:21 PM

Thanks for the vid Hill. You're right, it's the 2.8 turbodiesel that sets it apart. I really dug some of Overland Journal's mods too, especially the FLIR color thermal night vision camera and the Habitat system!
Me, I'll take the armored weapon-mounted one please.....:thumb:

nvkid 03-28-2011 09:45 PM

I saw a j8 at a test track. the motor was a 4 cylinder from belgium and it had leaf springs.

Vulkyn 10-14-2011 02:59 PM

Some more info on J8 i ran across
Jeep J8 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

3JKs1H1 10-14-2011 03:15 PM

Consider a 4BT Cummins swap.
cummins 4bt jeep wrangler - YouTube

Not for the faint of heart.

These motors power those big/boxy FritoLay bread trucks. They are put in a lot of conversions. Turbo and intercooled, they require about 3 wires to get them going. Very reliable.

I sold a new 4L80e tranny to a guy who installed a 4BT into his Defender D90.

You need a few extra parts, like a Compushift transmission computer, but you could probably do the conversion yourself for 6-8K.

4BT's and 6BT's are heavily supported designs, easier to install than their common rail counterparts.

Osage Orange 10-14-2011 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Hilldweller (Post 1142773)
That $50K gives you the beefy suspension and a diesel; a built Rubicon is still a gasoline engine.
The J8 will do all your wheeling, take you anywhere you want to go, and give you 28 mpg in mixed driving.
Sometimes range matters...

dig the vid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-C2oc8rhHg

That is a pretty sweet vid :thumb:

MTH 10-14-2011 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by 3JKs1H1 (Post 1658272)
Consider a 4BT Cummins swap.

Awesome, true, but my understanding is the conversion almost surely won't be lawful. I've always heard that most states preclude you from doing an engine swap that either (a) uses an older engine in a newer vehicle or (b) switches fuel types.

That (I expect) is the reason you don't see "diesel conversions" offered by all the places that offer "Hemi conversions." If a JK could generally be lawfully converted into a diesel, there would be a pretty big aftermarket demand. Nearly on par with the Hemi demand, I think.

Presently, my understading is that a new J8 with a diesel installed "out of the box" is really the only viable option to get a "JK" with a diesel.

h20squirter 10-14-2011 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by MTH (Post 1658412)
Awesome, true, but my understanding is the conversion almost surely won't be lawful. I've always heard that most states preclude you from doing an engine swap that either (a) uses an older engine in a newer vehicle or (b) switches fuel types.

That (I expect) is the reason you don't see "diesel conversions" offered by all the places that offer "Hemi conversions." If a JK could generally be lawfully converted into a diesel, there would be a pretty big aftermarket demand. Nearly on par with the Hemi demand, I think.

Presently, my understading is that a new J8 with a diesel installed "out of the box" is really the only viable option to get a "JK" with a diesel.

move to FL, no regulations.

as far as knowing any "non-celeb's" to get a JK-8, not unless you count the Egyptian military.

MTH 10-21-2011 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Hilldweller
Scott Brady from Overland Journal has been driving one around for over a year and loves it.
I took a couple of pictures of it when it was a virgin.

It's featured in OJ's 2011 Gear Guide issue.

Obligatory shot of my Jeep.

Can anybody ID the wheels, tires, and bumpers on this J8? I could research it I suppose, but some of you may know off hand. Pondering taking the jeep in this direction . . .

deathphoenix99 10-21-2011 02:57 PM

sweet Jeep! I want one!


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