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JeepJKRiders 04-02-2011 12:10 AM

E-Lockers Or Air Lockers?
 
I need advice which is better, E-Lockers or Air Lockers?

I have an 07 unlimited, with 4" lift and 35" T's.. Looking into rear lockers only.

Schwheelz 04-02-2011 09:31 AM

With the rear you should be able to go with a sel locking locker, they are much cheaper and work pretty well. i know ox makes some good ones.

Ive always heard good things about the arb air lockers though and havent heard much about e-lockers. So this is an interesting thread for me

Rogerg 04-02-2011 10:24 AM

Do you have limited slip diff on the rear? If so i would get a selectable up front.I went with Eaton e locker (selectable front) and i also have LSD on the rear, works great with that combo.

Also if i didnt have the lsd on the rear i would get a Detroit for it..no need to get selectable back there.But if you have your mind set on the rear then they have Elockers that when turned off acts as a LSD.

4Jeepn 04-02-2011 10:57 AM

I had front and rear arb's. worked great for me. No issues. Have no experience with the e-locker. No matter which you decided to go with make sure the person doing in the install has done many of them and knows what they are doing.

JeepJKRiders 04-03-2011 06:37 PM

Ok thanks all, I plan on doing the rear only, since I didn't get a flex or longarm suspension lift.

TheTJRod 04-04-2011 12:38 PM

It doesn't matter what type of lift you have. Getting both your axles locked will get you much further than a lift will.

I also suggest a Detroit or lunch box locker for the rear, and a selectable up front. I will also say that getting anything but a lunch box locker will require you to re-setup your gears so if you want to do a regear now is the time. If you don't want the added expense of a regear then get a lunch box locker that you can install yourself without even removing your carrier. It is just like replacing the spider gears.

nick50471 04-04-2011 12:41 PM

ARB not E-locker

Cons_Table 04-04-2011 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Schwheelz (Post 1153552)
With the rear you should be able to go with a sel locking locker, they are much cheaper and work pretty well. i know ox makes some good ones.

Ive always heard good things about the arb air lockers though and havent heard much about e-lockers. So this is an interesting thread for me

Selectable lockers are not cheaper...just about every selectable locker you will find will be more expensive than a Detroit locker.

Ibuildembig 04-04-2011 01:08 PM

I have used detroits and arb's for over 15 years with success with both of them. My dad's yj I just did will be getting E-lockers...I will report back

JeepJKRiders 04-04-2011 01:26 PM

Ok all, I've done a big change.. I'm starting over. Just traded my 07 unlimited X for a 2011 Sahara. Sometime in a few weeks I'm getting the longarm lift and tires again. Since the Sahara comes with lockers, I may still want to upgrade the lockers, but it won't be anytime soon..

Cons_Table 04-04-2011 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by JeepJKRiders (Post 1157171)
Ok all, I've done a big change.. I'm starting over. Just traded my 07 unlimited X for a 2011 Sahara. Sometime in a few weeks I'm getting the longarm lift and tires again. Since the Sahara comes with lockers, I may still want to upgrade the lockers, but it won't be anytime soon..

...Since when did Saharas start coming STOCK with lockers? :confused:

TheTJRod 04-04-2011 02:04 PM

You should read a little more. Only... ONLY Rubicons come with lockers stock. LSD's in the rear only are an option but. Maybe you mean the previous owner put in lockers but with it being a '11, I doubt he bought it put in lockers then sold it in under a year. Give us alittle more info. And a LSD is not a locker IMHO

Cons_Table 04-04-2011 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by TheTJRod (Post 1157219)
And a LSD is not a locker IMHO

I agree on that one, I have learned that plenty of times with the posi in my 8.8. However a posi, and an some E-brake can work wonders in a bind

JeepJKRiders 04-04-2011 05:32 PM

I bought this vehicle and they say it has Danna 44 rear and Danna 35 front.. Am I being screwed? This thing is really loaded with everything. How can you tell by physically looking if lockers are installed?

Cons_Table 04-04-2011 05:36 PM

First off, Im pretty sure your X had a Dana 44 rear and Dana 30 front...just like the 2011 you just bought. I dont believe there is a way to tell on the diff if you are locked. But like TJRod said, only rubis come factory with lockers...and unless you bought a used 2011 (seems kind of unlikely) there is no way lockers are in it.

JeepJKRiders 04-04-2011 05:39 PM

But I bought it new not used. I need help figuring if the new jeep came with lockers..

JeepJKRiders 04-04-2011 05:50 PM

Dang! I'm gonna have to off road this thing to find out. The dealer told me it has lockers front and rear. If not, I'm getting my jeep back!

Cons_Table 04-04-2011 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by JeepJKRiders (Post 1157615)
Dang! I'm gonna have to off road this thing to find out. The dealer told me it has lockers front and rear. If not, I'm getting my jeep back!

He's feedin you crap unless they did some sort of aftermarket work at the dealership...you can even go to the Jeep website and look at specs. The ONLY factory jeep with lockers is the Rubicon model. All lockers, stock and aftermarket, (except for lunchbox and detroit lockers), will have switches of some sort in the cab to activate the lockers...

JeepJKRiders 04-04-2011 06:11 PM

Question, if they say it's Dana.. Does that mean lockers or not?

Cons_Table 04-04-2011 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by JeepJKRiders
Question, if they say it's Dana.. Does that mean lockers or not?

Nope. That has nothing to do with lockers or not. That's just like the name of the axle

TheTJRod 04-04-2011 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by JeepJKRiders (Post 1157581)
I bought this vehicle and they say it has Danna 44 rear and Danna 35 front.. Am I being screwed? This thing is really loaded with everything. How can you tell by physically looking if lockers are installed?

Unless Jeep switched the wranglers to IFS's then you definitely don't have a d35 front. d35 front axles only came as IFS(you'll find them under explorers mostly). All but the Rubi's come with d30's in the front. Rubi's got the d44. There is NO option to get a "locker" in the front of a non-Rubicon. If the guy told you D35 and front and rear lockers then he doesn't know what he's talking about. Super easy way to see if you have the lockers that Jeep puts in Wranglers is to look for switches on the center dash. Rubi lockers are selectable and have switches on the dash. Oh and FWY JK Rubi's use E-Lockers. The TJ Rubi's use ARB air lockers. I bet you only have an LSD in the rear. All Unlimited's have a D44 in the rear. All 2dr's other than Rubi's only have the D44 as an option.

Raise hell and try to get them to throw a Rubicon at you for a swap. Oh and I bolded the answer for looking for lockers.

Edit: Dana is an axle manufacturer.

TheTJRod 04-04-2011 07:34 PM

I found these pictures of the locker switch's

http://project-jk.com/gallery2/main....87241fa94a8520http://project-jk.com/gallery2/main....87241fa94a8520

JeepJKRiders 04-04-2011 10:45 PM

Thanks for the info, but I couldnt see the pics you uploaded. I'll have to talk with them about the lockers tomorrow. I believe they tried to sell and lie to me!

JeepJKRiders 04-04-2011 10:48 PM

Can you get the rubi with all the same bells and whistles as the sahara?

TheTJRod 04-04-2011 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by JeepJKRiders (Post 1158298)
Can you get the rubi with all the same bells and whistles as the sahara?

The Rubicon is the top model. You can't get all the bells and whistles without getting the Rubicon. Unless you got the 70th anniversary Sahara which I don't know what is different about it.

Oh and if they really try to convince you still that you have lockers. Ask them for the build sheet and ask them to point out the locker switch. I don't know why you can't see those pictures. You on a phone? I'll try to find a pick of what you should see coming out of your axle if you have a locker.

Maybe you can see this.
http://image.4wheeloffroad.com/f/948...+jk_locker.jpg

Cons_Table 04-04-2011 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by TheTJRod (Post 1158350)
The Rubicon is the top model. You can't get all the bells and whistles without getting the Rubicon. Unless you got the 70th anniversary Sahara which I don't know what is different about it.

I dont think there is a difference in drivetrain that I saw on the website.

Schwheelz 04-04-2011 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Cons_Table

Selectable lockers are not cheaper...just about every selectable locker you will find will be more expensive than a Detroit locker.

Meant self, not sel.. Haha lol

Cons_Table 04-04-2011 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Schwheelz

Meant self, not sel.. Haha lol

When u put it that way...

I thought u just abbreviated selectable lol no worries

TheTJRod 04-05-2011 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Cons_Table (Post 1158358)
I dont think there is a difference in drivetrain that I saw on the website.

There are two differences in the drive train. One is the D44 in the front. The other is the 241 transfercase that has a 4:1 low range and external slip yoke comparied to the 231's 2.73:1 and internal slip yoke that everyone is quick to upgrade(or should be, considering that is a contributor to vibs in the drive like after a lift in SWB wranglers)

... or are you talking about the 70th anniversary Jeep. I bet it is just crappy logos all over it. And nothing special. Jeep is getting lamer every year.

Cons_Table 04-05-2011 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by TheTJRod

There are two differences in the drive train. One is the D44 in the front. The other is the 241 transfercase that has a 4:1 low range and external slip yoke comparied to the 231's 2.73:1 and internal slip yoke that everyone is quick to upgrade(or should be, considering that is a contributor to vibs in the drive like after a lift in SWB wranglers)

You are talking about the rubi right? I meant the 70th anniversary sahara. Sounds like we may have gotten mixed up


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