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anthonyrini 04-04-2011 08:39 PM

05 automatic transmission
 
Now I want to bring to jeeps attention the absolute fail that they put out with there 42rle transmission. Please anyone who has had a problem with the shift points or any other problem with this automatic transmission state the problem and the vin, year, make, and model for the veichle. I'm going to present this to jeep and you guys will help jeep step up there game and solve the problems with it.

Thank you,
Fellow jeep owner


Alone we are nothing but together we are strong.

Phil05LJ 04-04-2011 09:57 PM

I can appreciate your effort but unfortunately it will not even be heard by Jeep. Unless NHTSA issues a safety recall, no mechanical problems such as
OPDA, 42rle tranny issues, or even the fuel overflow problem that many have, including mine which seems like a safety issue to me, they apparently don't see it that way :(, nothing will be done.

anthonyrini 04-04-2011 11:56 PM

I have the e-mail adress of the CEO of jeep I have been in contact with him via e-mail and if I get enough people with the same or similar issues I'm going to present him with this problem the current lawyer that I'm using is Todd friedman who works in a law office in California. My voice will not go unheard no company can knowingly have a product that they can't fix especially under warrantee. California state law states that any vehicle that is under a warentee repair if the deductible is paid the vehicle must be in proper working order. With warrantees there has to be a garenteed solution or the California lemon law will take affect and the vehicle must be purchased back and reparations paid at a minimum of 1000.00 per day with out vehicle in proper working order. Also a minimum of 5,000.00 must be paid to the victim.

Neil F. 04-05-2011 05:25 AM

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Originally Posted by anthonyrini (Post 1157994)
Now I want to bring to jeeps attention the absolute fail that they put out with there 42rle transmission. Please anyone who has had a problem with the shift points or any other problem with this automatic transmission state the problem and the vin, year, make, and model for the veichle. I'm going to present this to jeep and you guys will help jeep step up there game and solve the problems with it.

Thank you,
Fellow jeep owner


Alone we are nothing but together we are strong.

If you really want Jeep to pay attention to your complaint, I hope you check your grammar before submitting your letter.

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anthonyrini 04-06-2011 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Neil F. (Post 1158585)
If you really want Jeep to pay attention to your complaint, I hope you check your grammar before submitting your letter.

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First off doing the post on a smart phone does not make it any easier. Second I did not post this to receive a grammar lesson. If this is how you treat people regardless of the educational background you are extremely rude. I served and protected your freedoms. You should think about what unessary things you say before you say them.

coolbreeze 04-06-2011 11:20 AM

My 42 RLE works as expected. Hope this helps :wavey:

TJDave 04-06-2011 02:33 PM

Besides overdrive being geared way too high, the only problem I have had with my 42rle is the plastic shift interlock rod breaking. It has happened to hundreds on the forums. The popular forum fix is a chinese chopstick, or plastic coathanger cut to the length of the broken piece. Jeeps answer is buying and replacing the entire shift mechanism with the same faulty part inside. I am sure hundreds of owners that do not read the forums have had to spend alot of money to fix this on their own.
Why would Jeep want to change that?
IMO, this is a safety issue as (depending on when it breaks) you cannot get it into park and get the key out. Or you can't get it out of park. (unless you are mechanically inclined enough to pull the PRND321 cover off and manually do it.)
You also cannot get it into low (1st) gear. (Think about trying to crawl down a steep mountain trail in 4lo, only able to use 2nd gear on an automatic!:nonono:)

There ya go. See what you can do. Good luck with that.

anthonyrini 04-07-2011 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by TJDave (Post 1161638)
Besides overdrive being geared way too high, the only problem I have had with my 42rle is the plastic shift interlock rod breaking. It has happened to hundreds on the forums. The popular forum fix is a chinese chopstick, or plastic coathanger cut to the length of the broken piece. Jeeps answer is buying and replacing the entire shift mechanism with the same faulty part inside. I am sure hundreds of owners that do not read the forums have had to spend alot of money to fix this on their own.


There ya go. See what you can do. Good luck with that.

On the overdrive being geared way to high does yours shift in to it to soon. Mine does and then I get a vibration that is kinda cyclic like a whom whom noise it goes away if I turn overdrive off

Jerry Bransford 04-07-2011 11:16 AM

The 42RLE's problem is nothing more than its extremely steep overdrive ratio that drops the rpms too low. Guess whose fault that is. The all-knowing all-liberal EPA who constantly pushes auto manufacturers for ever increasing mpg ratings. That OD ratio is simply Chrysler's attempt to help boost the mpg even a tiny amount for the required EPA tests and CAFE requirements which simply means the overall fleet's average fuel economy.

TJDave 04-07-2011 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by anthonyrini (Post 1163592)
On the overdrive being geared way to high does yours shift in to it to soon. Mine does and then I get a vibration that is kinda cyclic like a whom whom noise it goes away if I turn overdrive off

Yes. Way too soon, unless I keep my foot to the floor. After the 33's went on, OD is pretty much worthless with the stock 3.73 gears. I don't even use it. But, that is not the tranny's fault.

I have new axles and 4.88's going in, along with a bunch of other stuff. It is as low as I can go with a D30. Hopefully it will help this problem.

There are many 42rle threads abound on many forums. Unlimited04 has some great info on them. What it comes down to is that the 4.0 does not have enough sack to run this tranny. Maybe a V8 swap???????????????

UnlimitedLJ04 04-07-2011 12:38 PM

I've had lots of issues you describe. I've been saying the 42RLE is crap for many years now. I've even asked JeepEngineer's directly why they can't give us a TSB or new prog to make the shift points better.

It's shifted link crap since I drove it off the lot brand new. I've complained to the dealer about it since day one. I've had the current TSB applied, the tranny reflashed & all the latest updates done by the dealer many times. It caught fire around 12k miles & was partially rebuilt. It was totally blown and needed a complete rebuild at 50k, under warranty. Shifted fine for a 42RLE, yet all the clutches were shot and most of the big snap rings were f'ed. In fact they couldn't even find one, it was ground into powder. Only piece left was stuck to the magnet in the bottom of the tranny, and was about 1/10th the size of a penny.

I've even contacted B&G tranny programming, who claims to have a reflash for the tranny. Costs upwards of $1000, but over the past 3+ years, they have never answered their phone nor replied to my half dozen emails.

My conclusion has been to throw gears at it. 4.88s with 33s isn't too bad on the highway. 4.56s with 31s would be good too. 5.38s for 35s. Thats the best you can do until someone reliable comes out with a better program/flash.

The reason this tranny sucks so bad is three fold.
1. It was never designed to be behind a 4.0L in a Jeep with aerodynamics of a barn. It's designed to be a front wheel drive tranny in smallish aerodynamic V6 vehicles. Minivan's, coupes, sedans, etc.
2. A sonic reasonance issue gives a very annoying drone noise in overdrive due to the firing order of the 4.0L.
3. It runs HOT, fluid/tranny damage hot. Several dead 42RLE are a testiment to that, including mine. To reduce heat and improve gas mileage for EPA regs, the 42RLE locks up the torque converter and tries to find OD if at all possible. That huge drop in the RPM's makes the 42RLE bog down, and if you have the cruise set or intend to maintain speed, the 4.0L/42RLE starts bouncing between high RPM 3rd gear and low RPM OD, shifting multiples times a minute (usually every 10 seconds).

Every other 42RLE in a Jeep - KJ, JK, whatever - all got a big factory tranny cooler. the TJ did NOT.

To fix the tranny, you need a big tranny cooler mounted in front of the radiator, better gears and much better programming. Only two of those are possible right now.

Rubicon2 04-07-2011 12:40 PM

89,000 plus miles on mine without any problems. I have no complaints with the 42RLE.

04Liberty 03-22-2012 03:33 PM

42rle
 
Bought my used 2004 Jeep Liberty about a year ago. Started to notice an odd shift from 2nd to 1st at a rolling stop & a slip i9nto a thud in 1st. Oddly enough I can't make it do it at anytime, It's like it has a mind of its own. Sometimes when passing a car & it kicks down a gear, before it shifts back to normal gears it revs out the tachometer. This thing is nuts. I have replaced filter, solonid, sensors, took off battery cables for 15 min to hopefully reset any stored adaptive learning or memory in the computer. No results & the same issue is ongoing. Its more annoying than anything. I was told I don't have the liberty with adaptive learning & no "posi" in the rear differential.

Reading forums like crazy trying to learn more before I sink any money into a transmission that seems to run fine with a few qwerks. 2 Jeep dealerships stated it needs to bew rebuilt. After reading about people rebuilding them & still having the same issues, I can't say I agree. Also when changing the filter, there was some fine debree, (no chunks of metal) on the magnet with 140,000 miles I think there would be some.



Quote:

Originally Posted by anthonyrini (Post 1157994)
Now I want to bring to jeeps attention the absolute fail that they put out with there 42rle transmission. Please anyone who has had a problem with the shift points or any other problem with this automatic transmission state the problem and the vin, year, make, and model for the veichle. I'm going to present this to jeep and you guys will help jeep step up there game and solve the problems with it.

Thank you,
Fellow jeep owner


Alone we are nothing but together we are strong.


Barrie 03-22-2012 03:35 PM

You do realize this thread is almost a year old?

Jerry Bransford 03-22-2012 05:40 PM

Not to mention the rig driven by John Currie of Currie Enterprises and Gerald Lee of Savvy Offroad that won the Every Man competition at King of the Hammers was running a 42RLE transmission. :)

msr 04-12-2012 07:28 PM

42rle transmission
 
I have a 42rle transmission too in my '07 Wrangler, only lasted 65k miles. I don't even 4-wheel in it, drive very conservative and obviously don't put that many miles on it, and I kept up with all of the recommended maintenance, including transmission checks. I called Chrysler and they took no responsibility for it. I was the second owner and that somehow lifted them of all responsibility. I bought it with only 17k on it so I'm not sure how that factors in much. Needless to say, I'm not impressed with either Chrysler or their support.


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