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stinkypinky 06-16-2007 11:25 PM

PPPLlllease Help with Repair!
 
I'm too tired and frustrated to search.

I have a 94' Wrangler.

Now I know NOTHING about repairs, and was driving down the road, when low and behold my power steering went out and I nearly flew into the ditch. Looked at the power steering fluid, and it was fine.

Not wanting to be stuck in the middle of no where, and after driving, struggling with the steering, the 30 miles home....and taking my son to karate practice and then home...I looked under the hood to find my serpentine belt tangled in my fan.
A friend tried to help walk me though finding the problem, why it slipped off, and I found the idle pulley was melted, froze, etc......

I am attempting to remove and replace the pulley, but, having no previous car repair experience.......absolutley none...I can't seem to get the bolt off.


Anyone know what my problem is?

It looks like a bolt, within a bolt..? The inner bolt wont move, the outer only unscrewed about 3/4 of an inch. And I tried for about an hour.


Now keep in mind...I know NOTHING about car/Jeep repair......nada....I can tell you if the fluids are full, but thats about it.

This was a first attempt at repairing anything....due to financial issues, and it seemed 'simple' enough. I can usually figure things out if walked thru them. Maybe it was a mistake.


Can anyone help? Thanks, in advance.

debruins 06-16-2007 11:48 PM

sound like you need to by yourself one of these babies...
http://www.quadratec.com/products/19008_01.htm
http://www.quadratec.com/products/19008_01.htm
http://www.quadratec.com/products/19002_02.htm

besides that im a round headlight kinda guy, and can offer no help sorry

skeeter 06-16-2007 11:48 PM

I'm stumped, I just went out and looked at mine and I would think it would just unscrew.
Let me grab my manual and see what I can find.

jjseel 06-16-2007 11:49 PM

I can't remember for sure, but can you tell if it is a left hand thread?

stinkypinky 06-16-2007 11:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jjseel (Post 92851)
I can't remember for sure, but can you tell if it is a left hand thread?

I heard to loosen it to install the belt you are supposed to turn it counter clockwise, so that wouldnt seem possible.

Again...I have no clue. :dunno

stinkypinky 06-17-2007 12:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by debruins (Post 92848)
sound like you need to by yourself one of these babies...
http://www.quadratec.com/products/19008_01.htm
http://www.quadratec.com/products/19008_01.htm
http://www.quadratec.com/products/19002_02.htm

besides that im a round headlight kinda guy, and can offer no help sorry

Yeah, I was thinking about that, but hoping to avoid it for now, if possible.

:(

stinkypinky 06-17-2007 12:03 AM

I took a pic to show my Pop, and I know it might not help........but this is the part I wanna remove and replace.http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n...6/jeep0001.jpg

stinkypinky 06-17-2007 12:04 AM

I tried to unscrew the bolt FOR-E-VER

stinkypinky 06-17-2007 12:59 AM

Oh, and I realized there were two bolts because after about 45 minutes...the head bolt 'moved'.

JCS05Rubi 06-17-2007 01:35 AM

Try "tightening" it. If I am not mistaken, thats bolt is opposite thread. As in, clockwise should loosen, and counter clockwise should tighten. I wouldnt go crazy with it, because you dont want to tighten it more if your already having issues, but give it a whirl. At the very worst, sometimes getting the bolt to tighten a smidge sometimes breaks the seal so that it will loosen.

AzTJ 06-17-2007 01:39 AM

Thats the IDLER pulley. I believe that there is a nut on the backside :D

stinkypinky 06-17-2007 01:41 AM

I'm wondering if I should 'hold' the outer bolt, and try the inner bolt? I sure will try it both ways.

I did see a 'loosen' of the outer bold/screw with a 'lefty loosy-righty tighty' approach.?

I will try it tommorow. Thanks. I'll try anything that might work.
My hands, arms, backs and legs are sore from leaning over the engine for an hour today.


Tomorrow I will hit it with WD40.

stinkypinky 06-17-2007 01:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AzTJ (Post 92914)
Thats the IDLER pulley. I believe that there is a nut on the backside :D

As far as I can see, and if you see the pic...there is no way to reach the backside....and I felt the back of the pulley, and there isnt a 'bolt/nut' connection per se.

stinkypinky 06-17-2007 01:44 AM

Unless I pull the entire plate off? And that looks near impossible for me.(It's the one on the bottom)
http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n...6/jeep0003.jpg



I'm just a newbie. :dunno



I'm messing with it in my apartment parking lot.

AzTJ 06-17-2007 01:45 AM

You'll need a ratchet with an extention and sock. Don't ask what size it is but it might be the same size the front. Its a tight squeeze, but its there.

AzTJ 06-17-2007 01:46 AM

OH ITS THE BOTTOM ONE!? It's just gotta be in there really tight.

stinkypinky 06-17-2007 01:49 AM

The pulley wiggles now...but, I can't feel anything on the backside that feels like a nut. It seems 'smooth'.

:confused


In your opinion, is this something I should take to a repair shop?

stinkypinky 06-17-2007 01:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AzTJ (Post 92919)
You'll need a ratchet with an extention and sock. Don't ask what size it is but it might be the same size the front. Its a tight squeeze, but its there.

This is what my Pop said...and damnit, I can't find where I wrote down the size, or I would run it by you.

skeeter 06-17-2007 03:27 AM

I checked my chiltons and it doesn't have anything on the idler pulley, sorry.
The only other thing I can think of is perhaps the bolt has stripped, try using a set of vise grips and pulling out as you turn the bolt.

4Jeepn 06-17-2007 08:26 AM

I think your going to need a puller to get it out. The FSM for the TJ shows you needing one for the power steering one, so I would think the same would apply for the others and on the YJ. Tried to post the page but can't.

stinkypinky 06-17-2007 09:46 AM

What's a 'puller'?

skeeter 06-17-2007 09:52 AM

http://www.autozone.com/in_our_store...ing_pulley.htm

stinkypinky 06-17-2007 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skeeter (Post 92946)

Ohhhh............Thanks.

And, I assume would go on the bolt to help get it out?
I don't see how there would be room for it? I'll have to take another look.



And, Thanks for everyone's help so far!

skeeter 06-17-2007 10:01 AM

I don't know, sorry.
I'm still trying to figure out the bolt within a bolt concept, I only see one.

Scotty355 06-17-2007 10:55 AM

I looked at pics of replacement pulleys and it looks like it would be just a bolt going through the pulley into the water pump housing. I am not sure of the metals involved on that motor but if it is a steel bolt screwed into an aluminum housing it may have seized over time. maybe try using a propane torch on the hump behind the pulley where the bolt threads into.

stinkypinky 06-17-2007 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skeeter (Post 92948)
I don't know, sorry.
I'm still trying to figure out the bolt within a bolt concept, I only see one.

Okay...lets see if I can explain.. what happened.

I grabbed the bolt that has the red arrow pointing at it ( the head).....and turned it counterclockwise.
It turned, and it turned the part with the blue arrow pointing to it ( You can see the threads)
After turning for quite some time it seemed it wasnt coming out any further.

Just before I felt like I was beating a dead horse, and when it would get a bit snug, and I had to turn a little harder, the part with the red arrow moved a tiny bit seperately from the part with the blue arrow, and when I feel the edge of it, it feels like it is not 100% attached to the part that the blue arrow is pointing to.

But at this point, it's still tight to turn, and still feels like it is turning, but it doesnt appear to be any further advanced after unscrewing it for some time. And it doesnt feel like anything is stripped.

But the bolt head still won't (for the most part) spin separately and unscrew from the outer bolt....if there is one. I'm only thinking there are two because the head moved.

I hope this helps. Boy, my perfect scenerio would be to find someone who had to replace this on theirs and could walk me thru it. :lol Because I am confused.

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n...jeep0001-1.jpg

stinkypinky 06-17-2007 11:49 AM

Maybe I should try the clockwise theory....screw the outer part back in and turn hard, and it's possible the head will unscrew?

stinkypinky 06-17-2007 11:50 AM

Maybe all I have done is loosened the pulley, as someone would to install the belt.

:consused

stinkypinky 06-17-2007 11:51 AM

Have I been turning it the wrong way this whole time?

: pointsatselfanlaughs

stinkypinky 06-17-2007 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JCS05Rubi (Post 92911)
Try "tightening" it. If I am not mistaken, thats bolt is opposite thread. As in, clockwise should loosen, and counter clockwise should tighten. I wouldnt go crazy with it, because you dont want to tighten it more if your already having issues, but give it a whirl. At the very worst, sometimes getting the bolt to tighten a smidge sometimes breaks the seal so that it will loosen.

This theory may be correct....and I was thrown off because initally the bolt WAS getting looser at counter clockwise.


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