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TJe0454 04-19-2011 02:36 PM

dana 44 questions.
 
so im looking at an ad for a set of d44's with 4.56 gears. i figure if i was planning on regearing to 4.56 anyways, and that would cost me a grand....plus they are an upgrade from d30/d35. my question is what should i look for on these axles? and will they fit?

Cons_Table 04-19-2011 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by TJe0454 (Post 1187747)
so im looking at an ad for a set of d44's with 4.56 gears. i figure if i was planning on regearing to 4.56 anyways, and that would cost me a grand....plus they are an upgrade from d30/d35. my question is what should i look for on these axles? and will they fit?

You will need to make sure they came off of a jeep to know that they fit. There are D44s under other vehicles, not just jeeps. If they ARE for a jeep, I would just make sure that the gears are in good shape and that there isnt anything wrong with the axle.

Ibuildembig 04-19-2011 02:40 PM

First of all you have to ask what they are out of, that will tell you alot

DerekM 04-19-2011 02:40 PM

They will only bolt up if they came out of a TJ. Otherwise its alot of work to make it fit.

Ah they beat me to it. NVM

TJe0454 04-19-2011 02:47 PM

u guys are great! yeah ill ask what they came off of. but if i can get them for a decent price and they did need fab work to make fit, would it be worth it to bring them some place to get them installed?

Ibuildembig 04-19-2011 02:49 PM

The main thing you have to know is what side the front punkin is on....passenger side? you cannot use:)

Jerry Bransford 04-19-2011 02:53 PM

If those Dana 44 axles did not come off a Wrangler TJ, there will be significant mods needed to get them ready so they can bolt into your TJ. That could be anything from removing the old brackets and welding new brackets into place to match the TJ's axle connect points (not trivial), to as much as needing to do that plus change the axle width... expensive. If they aren't out of a TJ, I doubt I'd go for them.

TJe0454 04-19-2011 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Jerry Bransford (Post 1187789)
If those Dana 44 axles did not come off a Wrangler TJ, there will be significant mods needed to get them ready so they can bolt into your TJ. That could be anything from removing the old brackets and welding new brackets into place to match the TJ's axle connect points (not trivial), to as much as needing to do that plus change the axle width... expensive. If they aren't out of a TJ, I doubt I'd go for them.

is changing the axle width necessary?

TJe0454 04-19-2011 02:59 PM

another ad, a used D44 rear axle (Dana 44) out of a '87-'90 Jeep Cherokee, 3.56 gearing. $250

NHrubicon 04-19-2011 03:03 PM

before you buy them, ask to have the diff covers taken off and check the gears...my son just sold a set of axles from under his cherokee, had been in use...and the buyer took them right home, opened one up, and there's a tooth missing on one gear...ohoh, refund time! So...even if they came out of a TJ and the owner says he was driving on them until removed, pop that cover!

Jerry Bransford 04-19-2011 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by TJe0454 (Post 1187793)
is changing the axle width necessary?

Dana 44 axles come in all kinds of widths so if it doesn't match what your TJ requires, yes changing its width would be required.

Jerry Bransford 04-19-2011 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by TJe0454 (Post 1187799)
another ad, a used D44 rear axle (Dana 44) out of a '87-'90 Jeep Cherokee, 3.56 gearing. $250

That will require conversion to fit your TJ. A Cherokee uses leaf springs in the rear and its axle setup is completely different from that of a TJ.

Again, I would narrow my search down to Dana 44 axles that came out of a '97 to 2006 Wrangler TJ. That will simplify things considerably.

TJe0454 04-19-2011 03:08 PM

ok thanks jerry :thumb:

Ibuildembig 04-19-2011 03:13 PM

You dont have to change the width if you dont want to. In fact I would rather have the wider axles for stability....and ease of axle shaft replacement should one ever break.

rda616 04-19-2011 06:07 PM

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What size tire do you plan on running? How do you wheel? If you say 33-35" tire and only a moderate wheeler then I would seriously think about a hp dana 30 front out of a xj (cherokee sport ) they are stronger then the stock lp30 in your tj, have the same bolt pattern, width and brackets. They make alloy shafts and axle tube sleeves for these and are a very cost effective upgrade! I would jump on the 44 rear out of the xj they have bigger axle tubes then the tj housings do and bracket kits are only a couple hundred bucks + whatever a local fab shop will charge to weld them on . Should only be about another hundred and the end result is a stronger rear end with better then factory brackets!

TJe0454 04-22-2011 08:36 AM

hey guys. back with another question on the d44. what was the most popular vehicle with d44 front and rear other than a rubi? they have 4.56 gears.

Ibuildembig 04-22-2011 09:31 AM

Fronts are way more common that a rear....fronts? 65-79 Ford F100-F150 all had Dana 44 front axles in one way shape or other

TJe0454 04-22-2011 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by rda616 (Post 1188184)
What size tire do you plan on running? How do you wheel? If you say 33-35" tire and only a moderate wheeler then I would seriously think about a hp dana 30 front out of a xj (cherokee sport ) they are stronger then the stock lp30 in your tj, have the same bolt pattern, width and brackets. They make alloy shafts and axle tube sleeves for these and are a very cost effective upgrade! I would jump on the 44 rear out of the xj they have bigger axle tubes then the tj housings do and bracket kits are only a couple hundred bucks + whatever a local fab shop will charge to weld them on . Should only be about another hundred and the end result is a stronger rear end with better then factory brackets!

running 33's right now. but when i get the opportunity to run 35's, i will. but i have other things i want to upgrade before then (sye, axles, steering)

TJe0454 04-22-2011 09:36 AM

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TJe0454 04-22-2011 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Ibuildembig (Post 1194355)
Fronts are way more common that a rear....fronts? 65-79 Ford F100-F150 all had Dana 44 front axles in one way shape or other

im trying to figure out what would come stock with both front and rear d44. i feel like it is more likely that they were pulled from the same vehicle.

Ibuildembig 04-22-2011 10:05 AM

Scout or Wagoneer is the only thing I can think of off hand that would have both front and rear 44's....and if they are scout you cant use um.

TJe0454 04-22-2011 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Ibuildembig (Post 1194439)
Scout or Wagoneer is the only thing I can think of off hand that would have both front and rear 44's....and if they are scout you cant use um.

good information. how difficult is it to make the wagoneer axles fit?

Ibuildembig 04-22-2011 01:43 PM

Dunno Ive never had a set....If your going to that much trouble and have to buy wheels anyway, why not jump up to a 60 front?

TJe0454 04-22-2011 10:54 PM

they were pulled from a wagoneer. the guy that this guy bought them from was planning on putting them under a yj.

rda616 04-23-2011 08:35 AM

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they were pulled from a wagoneer. the guy that this guy bought them from was planning on putting them under a yj.

Ok a waggy front came in a couple different configurations.the 79 and earlier are passenger side drop with small u-joints . They made a non disconnect driver drop for a couple years in the early 80's then switched to a vacuum disconnect for another two or three years, finally they went back to the non disconnect until the end of the run! The 44 rear is a couple inches narrower then the front and depending on the year it is likely not a d44 and more likely a amc 20 rear which should be avoided at any cost! The waggy front is a good swap and coupled with that d44 out of that xj would be a pretty stout swap!

Here are your hurtles. The xj rear is a 5x4.5 bolt pattern and the waggy d44 is a 6x5.5 bolt pattern. There is a remedy for this! You need to use the small bearing spindles off a 73-76 chevy front end and a set of hubs and rotors off a 78-85 ford f150. This will give you a 5x5.5 lug pattern. Now you need to get new rear axle shafts from superior with the dual pattern (5x5.5 and 5x4.5) then you will need new rims for the new 5x5.5 bolt pattern and brackets front and rear.

Ibuildembig 04-24-2011 10:32 AM

Man that sounds like parts easter egg hunt....I bet a 60 and 10.25 wouldnt cost as much and would be time ahead :)

rda616 04-24-2011 02:45 PM

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Not so much. Most yards that have older vehicles will have all these parts and they are cheap! I got my parts from lkq for like $60.00 and my front 44 free. You can find them on cl for 100 to 150 which is a lot less then any d60 I have ever bought!

Ibuildembig 04-24-2011 06:48 PM

At that price heck yeah. I gave up on 1/2 ton stuff years ago so its just natural for me to put a 60 in everything lol


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