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99TJCrawler 05-12-2011 06:58 PM

Just got a welder
 
So I just got this stick welder and I wanna make something cool for the jeep. I've never welded so give me something easy but cool that I can do!! Need suggestions!

95YamJam 05-12-2011 07:25 PM

Congrats! A first welder is like losing your virginity.

How about make a bumper? A stick welder is pretty brutish so fine work will have to wait. Bumper or some rock rails maybe.

Get a good grinder and lots of wheels to clean up your work.

99TJCrawler 05-12-2011 07:31 PM

I already have bumpers and rock rails... sorry, shoulda said that. I bought a grinder the other day also lol thanks

KRawson 05-12-2011 07:42 PM

Make an interior rack that sits on the tub when the rear seats are out. I just finished welding mine together last night. Now I just have to prime and paint. Was a fun project.

99TJCrawler 05-12-2011 07:49 PM

How hard would it be to add on to the roll cage to improve its strength?

KRawson 05-12-2011 07:53 PM

Do you have a pipe bender?

99TJCrawler 05-12-2011 07:56 PM

No but I am thinking of getting one. realistically tho, could I make a strong enough weld taking into consideration that I have never done this before??

95YamJam 05-12-2011 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by 99TJCrawler (Post 1236058)
How hard would it be to add on to the roll cage to improve its strength?


Not with a stick welder. Mig or tig. What exactly did you get?

Also to KRawson. The rack that you made, whats it for?

KRawson 05-12-2011 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by 95YamJam (Post 1236073)
Not with a stick welder. Mig or tig. What exactly did you get?

Also to KRawson. The rack that you made, whats it for?

Extra cargo, cooler, tools, extra parts and camping supplys. It sits over a bestop trunk.

99TJCrawler 05-12-2011 08:03 PM

Why not with stick? The one that I got is a 220volt chicago arc 1400. Got it on a trade from a guy.

95YamJam 05-12-2011 08:11 PM

Stick can be great for certain things. You can weld really thick metal very quickly, you can lay down large weld veryf fast. If properly mastered (which is difficult) it can be the strongest types of welds. Also stick is great for welding rusty metal.

It is gonna be super dirty, ugly welds for the most part. You will probably burn thru a lot of metals less than 3/16. It's just not really an ideal smal project type welder. Thats why i suggested bumpers or rock rails becuse they are usually thicker material.

If you want to do any smaller projects your gonna need to practice. I suggest finding a local metal surplus shop and buying some scrap different thicknesses. Also find a welding shop because there are different types of "stick" material.

99TJCrawler 05-12-2011 08:17 PM

YamJam, can you school me on what types of stick materials there are? If I were to do a roll cage, I would think I would be using thicker material right?

kfdjason7620 05-12-2011 08:27 PM

Dam man I wish you were close to me in NC, Idk give you all the scrap steel you need, and with enough practice, you can weld very thin stuff with your stick welder, trust me, I been welding forever it seems like, but now i am the fabricator,and don't weld much anymore, for inside the cab stuff, aluminium is best way to go, saves alot of weight, but that's a whole different chapter, need any answers about what rods to use or techniques, give me a buzz

95YamJam 05-12-2011 08:30 PM

Common electrodes used are 6010, 6013, 7018 and 7024

6010 electrodes penetrate deeply, while 6013 electrodes penetrate less. For much better bead appearance and work on higher strength steels (say for a hitch), use a 7018 rod.


The 7024 rod is the easiest to use. Also known as a "drag rod," it has a flux thast helps maintain arc length, which allows you to drag the rod directly along the work piece.

Also, all of these rods come in different diameters. You should read up on stick processes. There is a lot to it to be proficient. Thats why a lot of people buy migs, they can make a dummy look like a welder, to a point.

Typical roll cage material is dom or some use cold rolled mid steel, it is usally .120 wall. Some like thicker .25 wall for some stuff but it gets heavy really fast.

So the cage material is not really that thick. It also requires very tight joints and good penatrating welds. Most cages rely on geometry for strength not sheer bulk of material.

There are books upon books of welding info. Esab, miller and lincoln also have some online resources for some tips.

I think you can be happy with the arc welder but it is gonna take practaice.

kfdjason7620 05-12-2011 08:45 PM

In our shop we use 6011 for sheet metal (22ga .03) up to (7 ga 3/16) and 7018 for 1/4" and up

rockhard98 05-12-2011 08:49 PM

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rockhard98 05-12-2011 08:49 PM

Don't get a pipe bender, you want a tube bender. There's a big difference. If your talking roll cage you want 1 3/4 .120 wall. Ya can use a stick welder but a wire feed will look a lot nicer.

rockhard98 05-12-2011 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by kfdjason7620
In our shop we use 6011 for sheet metal (22ga .03) up to (7 ga 3/16) and 7018 for 1/4" and up

6010 and 6011 are the same except one is ment for ac, the other is made for ac/dc. Also it will weld 1/4 in just fine just need a bigger rod and turn your amps up...ya don't need to switch to 7018

kfdjason7620 05-12-2011 09:14 PM

Just the standards in our Fab shop, of course most of our 7018 work is r stamped or xrayed, most of the time pressure pipe, P&G is picky

rockhard98 05-12-2011 09:31 PM

It's probably due to the material, I beleave 7018 leaves a deeper weld, or lays a smoother one any way

kfdjason7620 05-12-2011 09:38 PM

But I'm a better tig welder, or atleast that's my choice, way less messy, and don't get burnt as much!

rockhard98 05-12-2011 09:51 PM

Tig is the nicest weld ya can lay if ya know what your doin... its a time consuming process tho... nice part is you can weld anything!! With Tig its all about the penetration.

kfdjason7620 05-12-2011 10:04 PM

Yeah I love it, I welded some extra chromoly braces in a 4 second mustang rollcage a few weeks ago!

rockhard98 05-12-2011 10:13 PM

To the original poster, not trying to jack your thread.. least we are still talking a out welders tho :) get your self a couple different sizes of 6011 or 6010 and start practicing on some scrap, when you buy the rod it will have the amp rating on the box, set your amps at tords the higher end of the spectrum. Then just work on laying bead.. once you can lay a nice bead and ya get the hang of it...then see what ya can find to build :)

99TJCrawler 05-12-2011 11:44 PM

Thanks for all the posts. I'm gonna tinker tomorrow. I'm pretty excited to weld some junk together in my garage and see if I cant lay a nice weld.

Bignuke 05-15-2011 01:08 AM

I haven't used 7018 rods before, but I have used 6013, and 6011, which I think 6013 lays a better weld.. I have a lincoln 220 volt AC225 welder. I use about 90 amps most of the time... And kfdjason, I'm close to NC ;) 20 minutes from Charlotte.. lol

billytheyj 05-15-2011 08:56 AM

7018 has a higher tensile strength (obviously), but you will want good prep work for it... ya know clean metal surface blah blah blah crap the boring stuff I'm too lazy to do sometimes! Around here its 6010 6011 and 6013 that everyone use.... its the ranching welding rod cuz they do so well with out any prep work! Just strike and lay a bead!

07XMan2Door 05-15-2011 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by kfdjason7620 (Post 1236110)
Dam man I wish you were close to me in NC, Idk give you all the scrap steel you need, and with enough practice, you can weld very thin stuff with your stick welder, trust me, I been welding forever it seems like, but now i am the fabricator,and don't weld much anymore, for inside the cab stuff, aluminium is best way to go, saves alot of weight, but that's a whole different chapter, need any answers about what rods to use or techniques, give me a buzz

Hey, what the rod number/size that works the best for trail welding. You know, when you hook up two batteries & weld with your jumper cables??
Thanks

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Originally Posted by 99TJCrawler (Post 1236482)
Thanks for all the posts. I'm gonna tinker tomorrow. I'm pretty excited to weld some junk together in my garage and see if I cant lay a nice weld.

Congrats Bro!! You'll find all kinds of things to do with it. I've used mine for intalling the EVO sleeves & gussets on the front axle. Welded mounts to the frame for sliders. Welded bolts to hold the jack & shovel to front tow hooks.
Do you have a 2x2 receiver hitch??? If so, you could make a bike carrier or a gas can carrier. Here's a link to the one I welded up.
Have fun & show us the stuff you fabricate!!

http://www.wranglerforum.com/f118/di...ier-69297.html

billytheyj 05-15-2011 11:45 AM

For a quick trail fix go with 6011 that would be my preference!

07XMan2Door 05-15-2011 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by billytheyj (Post 1240761)
For a quick trail fix go with 6011 that would be my preference!

Thanks, I'll write that down. I once read a thread about a guy weldeing that way & he told what rod he used & i spaced it out.
Thanks again.


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