4-door JK Rubicon vs. Hummer H2
a buddy sold his TJ Rubicon (Fabtech 6" Longarm/35s) for a good price.
It was the Rubicon left beside my small TJ: http://jeep.cfasp.de/upload/510631.jpg
Now he thinks about buying a H2 and installing a 6" Fabtech lift and 38s. I told him that a modified JK 4-door Rubicon like this one from Absoulte Offraoad would be better off the road and on the road: http://www.wranglerforum.com/jk-chat...-37s-9131.html
Am i right?
What would be the advantage/disadvantage of a modified H2 and a modified 4-door JK Rubicon (Both with about 6" lift and 37s-38s tires)?
Thanks for your help.
a jeep is alot better on both and a fully loaded jk is 33500 new the base h2 no options is like 58000 i think
why is a JK better on both? i need some real facts because i don´t want him to buy a "bling-bling" H2.
and it´s not a question of the money, only of the best offroad/onroad capabilities.
he thinks about such a H2:
I'm on my phone so I don't have the means of doing a little research but a couple things to look at would be
Power th weight ratio
Insurrence on hummer I think would be a lot more then the new cheaper jeep
Availability of extra parts when you smash stuff up
The list can go on ill write more when I get home from work and have my comp
The hummer is IFS and the jeep is a solid axle and will flex more.:)
pls post as much as you can about this topic.
i don´t want my buddy to drive a pimp-mobile. his wife wants a hummer and i want to tell him why that is a very bad idea.
I know jeeps dont get the best gas milage, but 8 to 10 mpg. Is reason alone not to buy one.
Heres some cons of the h2. I would post the pros from the pros and cons list but the pros are really not even worth looking at.
Article from JP mag
JMHO the jeep is a better 4WD for the implied purpose. I say implied because the H2 gives the look of being very capable out of the box but its just not. The jeep is the best out of the box 4WD that this country offers.
I think the JK is going to replace the H2 as the new "Bling-Bling/Soccer Mom" vehicle. But thats OK because it IS a more useful 4WD hands down. It also means that there are going to be a lot of "Lease Returns" and high turnover on purchases because that type of individual just doesn't own their vehicles very long, 2-4 years is a long time for many people.
H2s are very capapble out of the box. ive seen them run some hard trails stock.
cons: they are just gas guzzlers, reallly heavy, wide, IFS, weak front steering, expensive as hell
pros: 4 to 1 tcase, stock on 35s, heavy duty skids, rear locker i think.
everyone else mention the good stuff about a JK already.
I've been on the trail with H2s. The group was always being held up because the H2s were too big to easily get around trees, tight curves, etc.
TJs, YJs, KJs - no problem. JK Unlimited wouldn't have a problem either.
if your buddy has to have a $$$ 4x4 at least get one that's bad ass.. like this G-wagon. The h2 is considered here in the states as mall 4x4, something to take the kids to the movies in and tow your trail rig.
Ooohh now I do like the G-wagon...
WEAK font steering, Too big, WAY too heavy.. Heavy enough to get you into a lot of trouble offroad without realizing it, EATS gas for breakfast. About half the gas mileage as a Wrangler, with only about 300/350 hp/tq. IFS. Theres nothing wrong with IFS when its setup right, under the right conditions, especially stock, but a 6 inch lift and that large of tires, is pushing the limit on driveline angles with half shafts. Atleast Jeep still has a solid front, so the axles have a better chance of staying intact on rough terrain and high power.
A JK rubicon has many of the things an H2 does, and not too many of its weaknesses. From what I have seen, its size, motor(you have diesel there so it doesnt matter), plastic bumpers and flares (Getting replaced anyway, doesnt matter) and 6 speed transmission, are the only flaws. The 6 speed is an amazing transmission, as far as ratios go, offroad, but DC has been having lots of problems with it in the TJs (I know from personal experience). Im not sure if its the same 6 speed from the TJs, but I would assume it is. Youd have to check on that. If its not, then good, no issues, but if it is the same one, its a Con for the JK. It wont break on the trail, but if will break on the street, and have some clutch/throw out bearing issues, and synchro issues. That is, unless they worked out the bugs in it for the JKs.
jk pro: gets a friendly wave every now and then :-)
H2 Does not have a 4:1 T-case, I am pretty sure that they are on 37" BFG All-Terrains, and the rear Electric locker is Problematic, to say the least. Ok, So that leaves Skid plates.:rofl: Not baggin on you Rawkon, just the H2..:D
UPDATE: Found these specs verifying this post. :)
Model: HUMMER H2
Body style / driveline: 4-door hard-top, 4-wheel drive
EPA vehicle class: full-size sport utility
Manufacturing location: Mishawaka, Indiana
Key competitors: Range Rover, Lexus LX 470, Lincoln Navigator
Type: Vortec 6000 6.0L V-8
Displacement (cu in / cc): 364 / 5967
Bore & stroke (in / mm): 4 x 3.62 / 101.6 x 92
Block material: cast iron
Cylinder head material: cast aluminum
Valvetrain: overhead valve
Compression ratio: 9.4:1
Horsepower (hp / kw @ rpm): 316 / 237 @ 5200
Torque (lb-ft / Nm @ rpm): 360 / 488 @ 4000
Type: Hydra-Matic 4L65-E, 4-speed electronically controlled automatic
Gear ratios (:1):
Final drive (axle) ratio: 4.10
Stall ratio: 1.90
Low range lock gear reduction: 2.64
Crawl ratio: 33:1
Front: independent with torsion bars; 46-mm monotube gas shocks; 36-mm front stabilizer bar
Rear: 5-link variable-rate coil spring; optional self-leveling air spring (w/ RPO ZM6); 46-mm monotube gas shocks, 30-mm stabilizer bar (coil) or 32-mm (air)
Traction control: brake-controlled, single-wheel control capability with rear axle locking differential
Steering type: variable ratio, integral power; recirculating ball type
Steering ratio: variable 15/13:1
Steering wheel turns,
curb-to-curb (ft / m): 43.5 / 13.5
Type: 4-wheel disc, 4-wheel/4-channel ABS, dual piston calipers with Dynamic Rear Proportioning
Rotor diameter x thickness
(in / mm): front: 12.79 x 1.5 / 325 x 38
rear: 13 x 1.14 / 330 x 29
Wheel size and type: 17-inch cast aluminum
Tires: LT315/70R17 all-terrain
Wheelbase (in): 122.7
Overall length (in): 203.6
Overall width (in): excluding mirrors: 81.2
Overall height (in): without roof racks: 79.2
with roof racks: 81.7
Track (in): front: 69.4
Minimum ground clearance (in): 10 (coil); 10.5 (air)
Curb weight (lb): 6400
Standard GVWR (lb): 8600
(front / rear): 2 / 3 / 1 (opt)
Head room (in): front: 40.5
2nd row: 39.7
3rd row: 38.8
Leg room (in): front: 41.3
2nd row: 38.6
3rd row: 27.3
Shoulder room (in): front: 66.4
2nd row: 66.3
3rd row: 41.4
Hip room (in): front: 62.9
2nd row: 62
3rd row: 30.3
Cargo volume (cu ft ): 40 - 86.6
Trailer towing maximum
Fuel tank (gal): 32
Engine oil (qt): 6.0
Cooling system (qt): 16.8
Vehicle Performance Data
Cruising range (miles / km at an average of 30-40 mph (48-64 km/h) over a hard surface and rolling terrain):
310 / 499
Grade capability: 60%
Side slope capability: 40%
Approach angle: 40.8° (coil) - 42.8° (air)
Departure angle: 39.6° (coil) - 38.1° (air) (40° with ERH)
Ramp brake-over angle: 25.8° (coil) - 27.5° (air)
Axle differential to ground
(in / mm): 9.9 / 251.5
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ooh i know the h3 has a 4:1 i thought the big brother did too. or am i wrong and the h3 doesnt have the 4:1 either?? and for sure there not on 37s there 35s
He does know that an H2 is nothing more than a tahoe with a different body and price right?
engine, drivetrain, axles ... are the same in a H2 and a tahoe?
Engine is from a 3/4 ton chevy pick up, the Tahoe Denali, Caddillac Escalade etc. Basically its the 6.0, its a gas HOG and produces low HP for a chevy small block...
the rest is a Tahoe, yes.
look at the sheet up there what does the hummer compete with?
Range Rover, Lexus LX 470, Lincoln Navigator
do any of those look as off road worthy as a jeep? so then why would a H2 if those are its competitiors:chair:
http://www.floridajeepers.net/images/smiles/Dusty.gif I want a G!
just the weight&size difference alone would make me pick the jk
I also had a 6.0 and got 7mpg out of it. My boss has a Denali and gets 12mpg out of the 6.0 in his Denali.
We arent talking about a 2,000 lb pickup with a 6.0, were talking about a 30,000 lb H2 here.. He is NOT going to see any better than 12, period. Id be suprised if he even saw double digits.
Edit: BTW, my 6.0 was also "Rated" at 340. Sorry slick, but id be very surprised if it even put down 280 hp and 320 ftlb torque. The newer 6.0s have a crap load of Torque management built into the computer, designed to save the driveline components from its "power." You give it gas, it cuts timing. I was seeing timing retard 28 and higher during WOT. Not once did my 03 come anywhere close to 340 hp... I think you might have the 1/2 ton "SS" which is built for playing in the street more than anything else. My buddy had a 3/4 ton ext cab short bed. Put intake/exhaust and a programmer on it, and was pushing 350 hp 410 ft lbs of torque. I dont think he had 340/360 stock :D
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