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RazorbackMac 05-28-2011 08:44 PM

Can someone explain lifts to me?
 
Ok, so I've been shopping around on quadratecs website and I ended up looking at skyjacker lift kits for 2010 islander unlimited. I have never owned or even driven a lifted vehicle so noob would be appropriate. I looked at skyjacker mostly because of name recognition but I'm not absolutely set on any particular brand. I want to lift my jeep 4" and so I looked at the different kits listed as 4". However, there is a body lift, standard lift, suspension lift, economy suspension lift, value flex lift, and a long arm lift. I DO know that I'm not in anyway interested in a body/spacer lift but that is where I stop knowing. I am not a BIG time rock crawler but I want to be able to join in on ANY trail ride. Basically, I'm saying I don't need the most extreme setup around but I have heard that it's cheaper to lift it once than twice so I'm going to get a setup that I will have room to grow into as I become a serious enthusiast. Can someone please tell me the difference between the available setups and perhaps advise me on what to avoid vs what to get? I know this question is more than over asked but help a noob out, who knows, it might be me that is around when you need a rig to pull you out ;)

RazorbackMac 05-28-2011 09:01 PM

Ok, I know my posts get wordy.z I'm long winded... Would shortening my posts get more replies?

hushnel 05-28-2011 09:22 PM

Well asked, I know less than you though. There does not seem to be any one definitive source on this subject.

rics1997 05-28-2011 09:28 PM

Well, 2 dr JK's have a bad flaw when it comes to lifts. 2.5" is the only safe lift you can get on the 2 dr because of fatal angle of the drive shaft. If you plan on going over that you have to do drive shaft changes because the U-Joint boot will rub causing the grease to run out and failure. Not to mention other issues that can arise.

What you will have to do is a double cardin U-joint style drive shaft if you want to lift your Jeep JK Wrangler past 2.5". This will increase the cost of the lift to get a good drive shaft. You need to look into Tom Woods Driveshafts.

The JK sits higher then previous Jeeps and really doesn't need more then 2.5" to get large tires under it. 35" tires will fit easy and with flat fenders, 37" will work great. Lifts are not the big issue on the trails, it's the tire size. Lifts help you get bigger tires.

RazorbackMac 05-28-2011 09:29 PM

Maybe I'll have to check the library or something for a book on lift kits...

rics1997 05-28-2011 09:34 PM

Fatal Angle Tom Woods JK Wrangler Driveshafts - Jp Magazine

RazorbackMac 05-28-2011 09:35 PM

So even if I went with a 2.5" lift, which of the listed kits do I need to look into? If all I need is a $500 lift, then sweet. If that's just gonna be a huge headache, then which one would be best?

ZOMB1E 05-28-2011 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by RazorbackMac
Maybe I'll have to check the library or something for a book on lift kits...

You can lift up to 4" on your unlimited without having to change the driveshafts. 3" is plenty and a safer bet.

Before looking at lifts you should figure out what size tires you want. 4" would be too much if you're keeping the stock 32s.

I've never heard anythig good about skyjacker lifts. I haven't owned one either, so I don't know.

RazorbackMac 05-28-2011 09:44 PM

35" tires seems to be super popular and considerably cheaper than 37's so I'm looking at most likely 35" tires. So how much could I expect to spend on a 3" lift? I want a kit that comes with every single part I'm going to need, I hate starting a project just to realize I'm going to have to leave it in pieces until I can afford extra parts I didnt know I needed... Especially since it's my daily driver

TJe0454 05-28-2011 09:45 PM

skyjacker makes a middle-of-the-road product. not the best, not the worst. i love my skyjacker kit on my TJ. now u cant say you've never heard anything good about skyjacker ZOMB1E

rics1997 05-28-2011 09:45 PM

His profile says he has a 2 door not an unlimited

RazorbackMac 05-28-2011 09:51 PM

I wanna thank every body for input. Thats not to say I wouldn't like squeeze more out of this thread, but thanks for the pre-warnings. I appreciate the dedication everyone has for keeping and helping teach others... The only thing my parents taught me about working on vehicles is how to fill out a credit app so firestone can fix whatever just broke.

ZOMB1E 05-28-2011 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by TJe0454
skyjacker makes a middle-of-the-road product. not the best, not the worst. i love my skyjacker kit on my TJ. now u cant say you've never heard anything good about skyjacker ZOMB1E

I stand corrected :thumb:

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Originally Posted by rics1997
His profile says he has a 2 door not an unlimited

I only looked at his first post where he said he had an unlimited.

RazorbackMac 05-28-2011 09:53 PM

About my profile, I haven't updated it since I traded the 2 door 08 for the 4 door 2010. I guess I should jump on that so I can get the most relevant help...

ZOMB1E 05-28-2011 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by RazorbackMac
About my profile, I haven't updated it since I traded the 2 door 08 for the 4 door 2010. I guess I should jump on that so I can get the most relevant help...

There are pics in my jeep profile of a 3" Zone lift with 35's. The only thing you should add to the kit is an adjustable trac bar.

It's a good idea to beef up your front dana 30 if you want to go bigger than 33s. The axle will hold up just fine on the pavement, but off road it's just another thing to worry about.

Stick around on the forum. There are plenty of people willing to help out a fellow jeeper. :thumb:

MTH 05-28-2011 09:59 PM

The problem here is--totally unknown to you--your question is actually incredibly broad and there's no "right" answer.

There are many three inch lift kits that are complete and of high quality. Much of the rest boils down to preference and what you're looking to accomplish.

Any 3" kit will let you fit 35s, though you'll need new wheels with less backspacing or at least wheel spacers if you ever want to make turns.

Try looking at the TeraFlex products. They've got a broad line up across the board and make pretty good stuff. Review the descriptions on their site and so on, and then compare the offerings of competing companies. That should help hone you in on what you're looking for. :thumb:

rics1997 05-28-2011 10:00 PM

Sorry, didn't caught that. The unlimited is 3.5" safe. Some 4" have worked for some. I would recommend 3.5" but if you want a 4" you might be alright. There have been some that have had issues with the 4" though. But a 3.5" lift can go up to 37" tires if you like. The only bad thing about 37" besides cost is that your Islander has D30 axles up front and will need sleeved and gussets to handle the stress. If you really want to off road even 35" could use at least gussets which aren't too much

RazorbackMac 05-28-2011 10:07 PM

:D as ridiculous as this sounds, I have no idea what a gusset is... And that excites the crap out of me.. I love learning!! Something new to read about... :iwishihadthreethumbsrightnow:

MTH 05-28-2011 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by RazorbackMac
:D as ridiculous as this sounds, I have no idea what a gusset is... And that excites the crap out of me.. I love learning!! Something new to read about... :iwishihadthreethumbsrightnow:

Rick had a great pic showing what his Cs looked like after they were gussetted. You'll get it once you see a before/after pic.

rics1997 05-28-2011 10:18 PM

They are re-enforced steel plates welded to your C's on your front axles so to strengthen them and hopefully keep them from twisting or even breaking on the trail

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n...-26-26_432.jpg

MTH 05-28-2011 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by rics1997
They are re-enforced steel plates welded to your C's on your front axles so to strengthen them and hopefully keep them from twisting or even breaking on the trail

And there it is. Go look at the Cs on your axles and compare them to that.

BUT, keep in mind these aren't really necessary until you get up into big tire + big offroading territory. Driving around with even 35s on the street, or even moderate offroading, isn't likely to truly require these. They're relatively low cost though, so worth looking into if you're already getting other work done.

millfire517 05-28-2011 10:28 PM

You might look into the 2.5 teraflex coil lift.

RazorbackMac 05-28-2011 10:35 PM

Is 2.5" enough... where is steve carell when I need him

RazorbackMac 05-29-2011 01:30 AM

So I checked out some Teraflex 2.5" lifts and I've found that the same kit is available in three different configs... With VSS 9550 shocks, with shock adapters to reuse factory shocks, or no shocks included. Is there anyone that could compare VSS 9550 shocks to stock rubicon shocks? Is there anyone that would advise against using shock adapters? Just FYI, the dealership said the islander comes with a factory rubicon suspension and shocks. Secondly, the jeep only has 3k miles so the factory shocks are practically brand new. Decisions decisions...

wrangler02tjcarl 05-29-2011 01:57 AM

skyjacker is junk ive ran it before, maybe lasted 15,000 miles. id say go with a 2.5 long arm kit if you wanna maintain a stock ride but still looking for that rockcrawling flex. I would say go with the long arm now because you will want one eventually. DO it right the first time. i love my 5.5 rubicon express long arm. It is built bomb proof and has lasted a good 50.000 miles. Rides nice too

97wrangler-242 05-29-2011 03:28 AM

I like rock krawler just because it's so upgradable and has a life time warranty. You break it, they replace it, for life. Also, you can start out with just some 3.5" coils and later on down the road slap a long arm kit on it or even a 3 link set up. It's all set up so you can slowly build up what you have instead of dumping 3 grand in to a kit all at once

97wrangler-242 05-29-2011 03:31 AM

Also, you can get in to the vendor spotlight forums on here and ask around. Very helpful people

millfire517 05-29-2011 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by RazorbackMac
So I checked out some Teraflex 2.5" lifts and I've found that the same kit is available in three different configs... With VSS 9550 shocks, with shock adapters to reuse factory shocks, or no shocks included. Is there anyone that could compare VSS 9550 shocks to stock rubicon shocks? Is there anyone that would advise against using shock adapters? Just FYI, the dealership said the islander comes with a factory rubicon suspension and shocks. Secondly, the jeep only has 3k miles so the factory shocks are practically brand new. Decisions decisions...

I have the 9550 shocks and I really like how they perform

RazorbackMac 06-03-2011 06:42 PM

So I didn't want to hijack anyone and i doubt it deserves a thread of it's own so I figured the bet was to slap this on my own thread since I'm satisfied that my fellow jeepers have more than sufficiently answered my OP.

I just had an entire TJ loaded with Coed Cuties wave their little fingers off at me.. I was all excited there for a moment thinking I was being eyeballed by some potential dates... Then I realized I was enjoying my lunch in my JKU and it was just your standard jeep :wavey: On the upside, being accepted by a TJ makes my JK all giddy with excitement. She's really started talking to me lately ;) :chanting: winch. winch. Winch!

vecter11 06-03-2011 07:58 PM

Ya im a lil bit comfused about the lift as well ( teraflex ). There are 3 lvls and i understand the kit with the shocks but i dont understand the one with extensions....are the extensions needed?.....is the base kit good enough that i can but shocks later?....do the extensions give a lil more boost?....anyone know or can help?


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