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Madwick 06-16-2011 10:25 AM

towing capacity?
 
i have a 2010 JKU sport 4x4 automatic without the towing package. what is the jeep able to tow? the service manager said he wouldn't tow over 2000 lbs. yet quadratec sells a hitch that can handle 3500 lbs. what is the towing limit for these jeeps before adding transmission coolers and sway bars and other towing stuff. i am looking into getting a boat and it looks as if i wont be able to tow it to the water!

jk'n 06-16-2011 10:56 AM

Your owner's manual holds the answer on that. But from memory me thinks because of the gearing....it might be 2000 lbs.

Doesn't matter which receiver you put on there. The limit is dictated by the manufacturer based on its original configuration.

Triel 06-16-2011 11:11 AM

2k lbs is for the JK. 3500 lbs is the towing capacity for a JKU.

Terry

daggo66 06-16-2011 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Triel
2k lbs is for the JK. 3500 lbs is the towing capacity for a JKU.

Terry

Not necessarily. It also depends on the gear ratio.

jk'n 06-16-2011 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by daggo66 (Post 1310366)
Not necessarily. It also depends on the gear ratio.

Yes, that is what was in my massive memory banks. :eek: Without the tow package if you got the gearing less than 3.73 (also from memory) then I believe the capacity was lowered from 3500 to 2000 on the jku. That is why it needs to be checked.

mgola27 06-16-2011 12:29 PM

Actually, here's what I've found (if my memory serves me right... from my '09 JKU manual and confirmed on the interweb):

JKU with 3.21 gears = 1,000lbs. (sadly, this is where I'm at)
JKU with 3.73/4.10 gears = 3,500lbs.

JK with 3.21 gears = 1,000lbs.
JK with 3.73/4.10 gears = 2,000lbs.

Based on this information, your auto tranny JKU (likely having the 3.73 gears) can tow 3,500 lbs.

Of course, this info is published in your manual and does vary from year to year, so it would be best for you to check there. Also, you can verify your build specs to confirm the gearing you currently have.

Then you will know for sure, and not have to rely on your service manager, or those of us here who all have slightly varying knowledge.

Good luck with the boat!

mgola27 06-16-2011 12:40 PM

Also, found this on Jeep's website:
Jeep Towing/Payload Comparison | Jeep.com

Looks like 3,500 across the board.

Good to go!

Off Road King 06-16-2011 12:43 PM

I have a 09 JK, and I've manged to pull around 3,500lbs(give or take), put my front end was a little high, and it was a camper stuck down on the beach and our truck kept grounding out, so I juts hooked up and after a while actually got it moving, but once again, the trailer was real tongue heavy, which didn't help. It just depends how much you are willing to stress the engine and frame.

daggo66 06-16-2011 12:45 PM

It goes way beyond that. If you are towing over capacity and get in an accident, your insurance may not cover you.

jk'n 06-16-2011 01:08 PM

I just found out for other purposes (spacers) that insurance does cover stupidity. If someone gets hurt they cover up to the insured amount for liabilities. Beyond that, you are on your own. Depending on how stupid the stupidity is, you may be in debt for the remainder of your life. There are also criminal laws that protect us from stupid that others do upon us and they may apply in cases when we do something really stupid like maybe tow double the capacity....I think that may be a relative gray area. In any case, when something bad happens, the law will investigate and the courts will determine just how stupid we were in any given situation. They will either award money or money and time or just time (jail). One other thing is that even if you escape totally debt free and still in possession of all of your time (no jail) you may find it difficult to find an insurance company willing to insure you. Did I cover all of the bases?

Just in case you are wondering, yes there is sarcasm in the use of the term stupid and yes, I include myself in its use because I can't be smart all the time. Stupid comes to me in fits and spurts. I try to limit it to nothing but my brain sometimes doesn't cooperate. Yes, I'm educated beyond high school but am not immune to this facet of life.



Conclusion: It is important to look up the information and make an effort to get it right.

volfireman07 06-17-2011 06:45 AM

Its not the towing, it's the whoa-ing that will get you.

Madwick 06-17-2011 08:11 AM

lol. well thanks for all the feedback ladies! i understand the viscosity in your tranny fluid can get burned up while "over-towing". being that my 2010 jku has just hit 1200 miles im trying to stay away from frying my gears! between a boat and a random car tow, i should be fine!

daggo66 06-17-2011 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Madwick (Post 1312374)
lol. well thanks for all the feedback ladies! i understand the viscosity in your tranny fluid can get burned up while "over-towing".

Exactly where did you come across that brilliant tidbit of information? :rolleyes:

Peepers 06-17-2011 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by volfireman07 (Post 1312278)
Its not the towing, it's the whoa-ing that will get you.

Or the stopping...

I have an HD 2500 truck. Towing a 3000lb trailer I can get brake fade. thats scary when you step on the pedal and almost nothing happens... I could only imagine it being it worse in a vehicle 2/3 the size of my truck...

I've also towed an improperly loaded trailer for a very short time... one big bump and the truck kept going straight through a turn...

I now double check every time I tow something...

jk'n 06-17-2011 09:12 AM

I tow 3000 with mine and so far no issues with braking. It has done well. I'm still interested in adding ebrakes to it though.

Madwick 06-17-2011 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by daggo66 (Post 1312424)
Exactly where did you come across that brilliant tidbit of information? :rolleyes:

sarcasm or are you being cereal?

if your serious, i knew that before hand and thats why i asked the question about the capacity. i couldn't find it in the manual or i didnt know what i was looking at/for. im only half smart...

j33pZ 06-17-2011 08:29 PM

I dont think its a silly question, because I found myself asking the same question. It seems like there is contradictory info out there, and everybody probably wants to make sure they do things correctly.

I think the mgola27 is correct about actual weight.

One thing I have yet to determine--- how much does THIS weigh??
http://i01.i.aliimg.com/photo/v0/109...at_Mercury.jpg

jk'n 06-17-2011 08:48 PM

Show off! :D

Nice looking boat. :punk:

daggo66 06-17-2011 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Madwick (Post 1312620)
sarcasm or are you being cereal?

if your serious, i knew that before hand and thats why i asked the question about the capacity. i couldn't find it in the manual or i didnt know what i was looking at/for. im only half smart...

I was dead cereal. It may not be what you meant, but what you said makes absolutley no sense.

j33pZ 06-18-2011 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by jk'n (Post 1314043)
Show off! :D

Nice looking boat. :punk:

:speechless-smiley: ####!!! That aint my boat, I wish!!!!
I was just looking for something to compare to. I was testing the waters to see if anyone had any real experience with boats and trailers and could tell me how much that set up might weigh. I just thought it looked better than:
http://forum.gon.com/attachment.php?...1&d=1257016184

JeeperJake 06-18-2011 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by j33pZ (Post 1315490)

Tow this with the JK.

Tow the other one with your actual truck for best results.

Scooter_Trash 06-18-2011 06:47 PM

I tow a pop up with my JKU. By the time we are all loaded we are close to the 3500 max. I do have trailer brakes and a sway bar. Zero issues, and surprisingly no real change in gas mileage.

seadog 06-18-2011 10:14 PM

Jeebus.. Good rule of thumb, 200lb tongue, 2000lb trailer for a JK. 350lb tongue, 3500lb trailer for a JKU. With the right equipment. It's in the little short manual from Jeep. In your glove box. You don't have to read the big manual.

Is it me? Or did people forget how to check the manual when they buy something?

New lawnmower, coffee machine, whatever? Did you check a blog on how to to use it? Probably not.

If you look at the "stickies", most answers are there. Oh, wait... that means you have to research.

SeaComms 06-18-2011 11:51 PM

Still gets me stumped why they change the rating on the export models - ours 2 doors are rated at 750kg (1,650lb) for a trailer with no brakes or 1,600kg (3,500lb) for a trailer with brakes.

The JKU extends the braked trailer rating to 3000kg (6,600lb).

Must be something to do with the toilet water spinning in the opposite direction or something...

Scooter_Trash 06-19-2011 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by SeaComms (Post 1316107)
Still gets me stumped why they change the rating on the export models - ours 2 doors are rated at 750kg (1,650lb) for a trailer with no brakes or 1,600kg (3,500lb) for a trailer with brakes.

The JKU extends the braked trailer rating to 3000kg (6,600lb).

Must be something to do with the toilet water spinning in the opposite direction or something...

That's weird, I didn't know that. I'm sure it's more to do with the picnic bench front bumper and amber turn signals. :D

rics1997 06-19-2011 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by SeaComms (Post 1316107)
Still gets me stumped why they change the rating on the export models - ours 2 doors are rated at 750kg (1,650lb) for a trailer with no brakes or 1,600kg (3,500lb) for a trailer with brakes.

The JKU extends the braked trailer rating to 3000kg (6,600lb).

Must be something to do with the toilet water spinning in the opposite direction or something...

I am sure it has more to do with laws/regulation. You get a diesel that we don't get too.

A 2 dr has everything the 4 dr model does except length. So I assume there is some sort of wheel base regulation that forces them to only state 2000lb limit in the US. Because there would be no reason a 2 dr couldn't pull the same weight as a JKU and because it doesn't weigh as much as a JKU, probably could pull a little more. But on the other hand since the 2 door weighs less and has a shorter wheel base that tow weigh can pick the front wheels off the ground easier and also cause it to fish tail easier. To be a supposed free country, we here tend to force safety on our citizens a lot.

AgtSunshine 06-19-2011 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by rics1997

I am sure it has more to do with laws/regulation. You get a diesel that we don't get too.

A 2 dr has everything the 4 dr model does except length. So I assume there is some sort of wheel base regulation that forces them to only state 2000lb limit in the US. Because there would be no reason a 2 dr couldn't pull the same weight as a JKU and because it doesn't weigh as much as a JKU, probably could pull a little more. But on the other hand since the 2 door weighs less and has a shorter wheel base that tow weigh can pick the front wheels off the ground easier and also cause it to fish tail easier. To be a supposed free country, we here tend to force safety on our citizens a lot.

...to protect the population at large from hickabillies who try to pull 10500 lb trailer homes with old Chevy S10s.

At least that's the intent.

rics1997 06-19-2011 10:09 AM

Glad that leaves me out. Just a hillbilly here but only a 45 minute drive to a hickabilly neighborhood.

jk'n 06-19-2011 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by AgtSunshine (Post 1316450)
...to protect the population at large from hickabillies who try to pull 10500 lb trailer homes with old Chevy S10s.

At least that's the intent.

I'm with AgtSunshine on this one. The opposite of what we have is anarchy. In an anarchy, if it looks safe it is safe, so says I.....and I don't really care if I just killed your wife and children....they weren't very valuable anyway....they were just hikabillies. Can you imagine if that was where we were as a society. :facepalm:

I'm actually happy for regulation that keeps me and my family safe. If it is unjustified regulation I get to vote it out. Take the Massachusetts seat belt law. I got to vote no and they repealed it. Then, some group of bean counters put it back so that we could harvest some federal highway funds. But we can't be pulled over for it...just ticketed when we get pulled over for something else. I still think that seat-belts keep us safe and I wear one and so does anybody else who enters my jeep, just don't think we need to be mandated to wear it. I'm willing to work within the system if the regulation seems over the top. Towing limits seem a good thing. It means I must buy a capable vehicle for the weight to be towed.

seadog 06-19-2011 07:24 PM

It has nothing to do with vehicle capabilities. It has to do with how you load the trailer. I've hauled over 4000 pounds with my JK, but I have a huge flat trailer. I just have to load it backwards.

Traditional theory, says load the heaviest items to the front. Can't do that in a JK. It's too short, wheel-base wise. The heavier your tongue weight is, the lighter your front end is. It's like a reverse fulcrum (or seesaw). Pressure on the rear makes the front end lift.


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