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Fox Mulder 06-20-2011 11:36 PM

Benefits of a lift?
 
So what are the benefits of getting a lift? I was reading the pros and cons of 2 doors and 4 doors; 2 doors having better clearing over hill tops and stuff because they're shorter and 4 doors doing better going uphill because they're longer. So would one get a lift for better clearing? I've also read it degrades performance. How and to what degree?

Jeepoffroad04 06-21-2011 12:28 AM

Some of the benifits of lifts are to give you higher ground clearance and so you can run bigger tires. Others mite say higher lifts will increase the center of gravity of your jeep.

troys96xj 06-21-2011 12:54 AM

Lifts are for off roading so if you don't plan on doing it then I wouldn't recomend lifting it. Lifting and bigger tires does give you better approach, departure and break over angles. It also takes away power if you don't re-gear your axles and can reduce your MPG's by alot. My XJ went from 16 MPG to 7.1 after lifting and big tires. The XJ is my trail rig only so it don't bother me. No reason to lift if your not gonna wheel. Mall crawlers are bad and wheeled Jeeps are good! Just my 2cents.

daggo66 06-21-2011 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeepoffroad04 (Post 1320334)
Some of the benifits of lifts are to give you higher ground clearance and so you can run bigger tires. Others mite say higher lifts will increase the center of gravity of your jeep.

Just to be clear, a lift does not give you "higher ground clearance". A lift will give you more tire clearance. Bigger tires will give you more ground clearance. When you add a lift, the vehicle will be higher, but the axles are in the same place.

clear lake jeepn 06-21-2011 08:15 AM

bigger tires + more articulation = more offroad capability

clear lake jeepn 06-21-2011 08:19 AM

"I've also read it degrades performance. How and to what degree? "

14 degrees due south

deathphoenix99 06-21-2011 08:20 AM

A lift will allow you to drive through deeper water/mud versus stock.

GoldenSahara00 06-21-2011 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by daggo66 (Post 1320477)
Just to be clear, a lift does not give you "higher ground clearance". A lift will give you more tire clearance. Bigger tires will give you more ground clearance. When you add a lift, the vehicle will be higher, but the axles are in the same place.

If you insert "at the tcase skid and other places on the body" after that then hes right. But otherwise your right :rolleyes:

GoldenSahara00 06-21-2011 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by deathphoenix99 (Post 1320596)
A lift will allow you to drive through deeper water/mud versus stock.

According to Daggo's thinking, this is also wrong because your breather lines will still be in the same place with only a lift, therefore not allowing you to get through deeper water. If your looking only at the dangers hydro locking then engine or getting water in the filter than your right. I just felt like being a smart A, don't mind me :whistling:

deathphoenix99 06-21-2011 08:33 AM

^^^Most of those breathers are attached to the body/frame, so doing a suspension lift will lift those up higher as well. Now a body lift is a different story, so I'm not going there.

MTH 06-21-2011 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Fox Mulder (Post 1320276)
So what are the benefits of getting a lift? . . . So would one get a lift for better clearing? I've also read it degrades performance. How and to what degree?

Along the lines of what others have said, getting a lift will increase mid-body clearance (not differential clearance) which in turn gives you better break over, approach, and departure angles. It also allows for bigger tires, which increase differential clearance, and allows for more articulation of those tires.

For the downsides, it raises your center of gravity and worsens aerodynamics. If it is high enough (above around ~3" or so on a 4 door), lifting only with bigger coils or coil spacers would create adverse handling characteristics as a consequence of the stock trackbars and control arms being too short. Examples of handling problems could include alignment that would be out and difficult if not impossible to fix, and the jeep would "dart" on the highway.

High quality lift kits will include new trackbars and control arms (or relocation brackets for the old ones) to resolve this. You can also buy these items separately and add them.

Finally, a lift may actually improve handling so long as it's done right. For example, a Sport with this lift kit installed likely handles better than stock.

GoldenSahara00 06-21-2011 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by deathphoenix99 (Post 1320633)
^^^Most of those breathers are attached to the body/frame, so doing a suspension lift will lift those up higher as well. Now a body lift is a different story, so I'm not going there.


Mine arent, alot of TJ's have them strapped along the top of the diff/ axle and then up a little. and even if it does raise the frame and they lift, they are still attached to the axle so either they will pull down or get tighter. I was just messing either way so no big deal buddy :punk:

deathphoenix99 06-21-2011 09:55 AM

I know you're just messing, I was just stating. LOL If that's true, I like my truck a lot better than, the dif breather is mounted on the frame right under the bed, so water has to be inside of my truck before it goes in the intake or breather tubes.

rics1997 06-21-2011 10:27 AM

A lift by itself does give certain aspects of off roading more clearance just not overall clearance. Of course a lift will not add clearance around the axle area because only bigger tires will raise the axle but a lift will give you better approach clearance because the bumper is higher off the ground. And also it gives more center of jeep clearance so when rock crawling you are going up a step like rock once the front wheels go over it allows the belly to clear better until the rear wheel start up. But as most state the main reason for a lift is to get bigger tires thus having more of an overall clearance.

The downside is if it is a daily driver, gas mileage takes a hit. Just a 2.5" increase in mine cost 2 mpg then the 285/70 tires took another 2 mpg's. Did get 2 mpg's back with Superchips and regearing.

clear lake jeepn 06-21-2011 10:40 AM

one thing no one has yet to mention....it just LOOKS better with a lift and tires and rims...drive by in grandpas jeep all stocked out and buttoned up with a hardtop..no one bats an eye....lift it...tires rims..take the top and doors off...you get so many looks you almost get tired of it....almost! I hear "nice jeep" all day long everyday..and I love it. I also love pulling up to the stockers on bicycle tires and looking DOWN on them..literally. Am I an egotistical Ahole....yea...and I love every minute of it....

Gate53 06-21-2011 10:56 AM

Fox if your just starting keep in mind that a lift raises you center of gravity. The jeep will tip easier. You might want to try it just the way it is with some people that know what they are doing and find out if it's for you. A stock jeep will go places you would not believe. As your driving skills improve the jeep and the type of offroading you like will dictate the mods you need.

Oh and clear lake why don't you bring your mall crawler down here to the hills and follow my stocker around. lol Don't worry when you turtle it we'll roll you back over.

daggo66 06-21-2011 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by deathphoenix99 (Post 1320776)
I know you're just messing, I was just stating. LOL If that's true, I like my truck a lot better than, the dif breather is mounted on the frame right under the bed, so water has to be inside of my truck before it goes in the intake or breather tubes.

So if you do a suspension lift on an S10 the breather tubes will magically grow longer? Do you need to add magic beans?

GREEN-MACHINE 06-21-2011 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by daggo66 (Post 1320954)
So if you do a suspension lift on an S10 the breather tubes will magically grow longer? Do you need to add magic beans?

i had magic mushrooms,,er' oh thats another story,,, sorry:rofl:

Jeepoffroad04 06-21-2011 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by daggo66

Just to be clear, a lift does not give you "higher ground clearance". A lift will give you more tire clearance. Bigger tires will give you more ground clearance. When you add a lift, the vehicle will be higher, but the axles are in the same place.

The center of the jeep other known as the skid is higher of the ground the axles dont move unless you add bigger tires I know.

El Gringo 06-21-2011 09:46 PM

My MPG dropped from about 19 HWY to about 15.5 HWY after a 2.5F/2R level/lift. Ouch.
That being said, I didn't buy it for the fuel economy, sooooo yeah. It looks incredible and I get compliments on it everyday.
http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot..._1303386_n.jpg

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...8_871890_n.jpg
I like it. :)

Fox Mulder 06-22-2011 12:08 AM

Cool, thanks guys. I'll obviously wait a while after I get my Jeep before I think about it; I'm just evaluating potential future upgrades.

So what does regearing mean in regards to the lift? How does it help performance?

daggo66 06-22-2011 06:42 AM

Gearing has nothng to do with the lift. It will compensate for lost power due to larger tires.

deathphoenix99 06-22-2011 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by daggo66 (Post 1320954)
So if you do a suspension lift on an S10 the breather tubes will magically grow longer? Do you need to add magic beans?

No they won't, but they have enough slack in them from factory to be lifted 5" without needing to be extended. The brake line can do a 4" lift before needing a longer brake line.

daggo66 06-22-2011 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by deathphoenix99 (Post 1322860)
No they won't, but they have enough slack in them from factory to be lifted 5" without needing to be extended. The brake line can do a 4" lift before needing a longer brake line.

:thumb:

GoldenSahara00 06-22-2011 07:27 AM

U should lift ur jeep cause mine looks super duper awesome from 10 feet above everything and I can drive over old ladys and children its AWESOME get a lift youll love it :banghead:


good answer death^

Sapelo 06-23-2011 06:26 PM

I am new to this site and thought I would jump in with another question. I too am thinking about putting a lift on my Jeep. I do not do real serious off roading - just use it to get into the backcountry for climbing and hunting trips. I am also mechanically challanged when it comes to working on vehicles. I have a 2001 Jeep Wrangler Sahara, 5-speed, 4.0 liter engine. The rear axle is a Dana 44/216MM (Not sure if the front is). I would like to put some 33inch tires on it. Four-wheel Drive.com told me I would need to put a 4 inch lift kit on it. That seems a little high. Right now I run 31 inch tires on it and only get a slight rub if I turn the wheel all the way. A friend who has a 2006 Rubicon installed at a 2.5 inch lift kit with a 1” body lift on his. He has 33 inch tires and does fine. He has offered to help me install the same.

Can you help me out? What do I really need? Will I have to "re-gear" the axles?

Jeepoffroad04 06-23-2011 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Sapelo
I am new to this site and thought I would jump in with another question. I too am thinking about putting a lift on my Jeep. I do not do real serious off roading - just use it to get into the backcountry for climbing and hunting trips. I am also mechanically challanged when it comes to working on vehicles. I have a 2001 Jeep Wrangler Sahara, 5-speed, 4.0 liter engine. The rear axle is a Dana 44/216MM (Not sure if the front is). I would like to put some 33inch tires on it. Four-wheel Drive.com told me I would need to put a 4 inch lift kit on it. That seems a little high. Right now I run 31 inch tires on it and only get a slight rub if I turn the wheel all the way. A friend who has a 2006 Rubicon installed at a 2.5 inch lift kit with a 1” body lift on his. He has 33 inch tires and does fine. He has offered to help me install the same.

Can you help me out? What do I really need? Will I have to "re-gear" the axles?

No you dont have to re-gear with 33s. And a 3" lift would fit that size tire with out rubbing. I would like to recommend skyjackers 4" lift and zones 3" lift kits they are under $500. Fyi with 33s you will feel alittle less power from your jeep but not enought to need to re-gear. Any other questions let me know.


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