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Old 02-18-2019, 07:37 AM   #61
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Consumer Distorts are decent at testing washing machines and toasters but I wouldn't trust them on vehicles. I have good friends that have owned garages and auto body shops for many years and they see how stuff holds up. The guy that works beside me was broad sided in his Jeep by a Tahoe (lady on the phone instead of driving), he walked away with no injuries although a change of shorts was probably in order. He went right back and got another Jeep.

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I’ve had many jeeps, and love the brand. However, the quality is abysmal for the price. I’m at least hoping that the Bronco is a legit entry into the space (which from what I have read is this case), so that there is some real competition. And hopefully, that competition finally does away with the “it’s a Jeep thing” excuse for putting up poor quality.


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Old 02-19-2019, 01:42 AM   #63
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Bought the JK in '16 knowing Jeeps rep but so far it's avoided the service department. CR is not always the best reference to solely base a purchase. CR continues to compare the Wrangler to SUVs but has failed to kill the booming interest in the Wrangler as FCA can do that better.
^This, CR compares ride, road noise, mpg, to vehicles like a RAV4, CRV, Outbacks and in those departments it's not a fair comparison. I owned a 2015 Outback and currently own a 2018 CRV as my second vehicle. Of course on ride, road noise, mpg, my JK can't compete. Wranglers should IMO be in a class their own, and not compared to these types of vehicle. As far as any major mechanical issues, I have not had one yet.

I will admit my 2002 Wrangler and now my current JK has had issues with their brakes. I don't know if I am just having back luck or if this is a know issue. My JK rear brakes went with only 20k miles on it, which seemed odd to me considering it is typically the front brakes go before rear. My 2002 TJ front brakes went after 6k miles. Also my JK leaked, not sure if this is a JK thing considering my TJ with a soft top didn't leak a drop.
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Equal comparison,,,, lets see.
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IMO CR is a biased left wing test organization. The fact that they don't take advertising does not free them from bias. The reason they gave a Tesla a perfect score a couple of years ago is because they had a complete woody for the electric car concept. Nobody has ever made a perfect vehicle. I first figured out their bias when they overrated dishwashers a few years ago. They completely ignored the fact that performance suffered in order to reduce water consumption. Because you know... less water consumption is "Green". If I knew what I know now I would have never replaced my older Bosch dishwasher. I would have repaired it.

Like someone else already said CR is going to low rate the Wrangler by overvaluing certain attributes and undervaluing others compared to what we buyers are looking for when we choose to buy a Jeep.

All that said compared to my Hondas Jeeps quality control sucks.
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I have 5,500 miles on my 2018 JLUR and no problems. Off-road every weekend around Las Vegas, trail ratings mostly 5 and under. So far it’s reliable and performed well.

Regarding Consumer Reports, I find it to be useless. I made the mistake of buying a LG dishwasher they recommended, never cleaned dishes. Replaced it with a GE my Home Depot store manager recommended at half the price and it works well.

Many years ago I sold electronics and CR was most often wrong about the quality and reliability of TV’s and stereos. I always loved selling to dedicated CR customers because they would blindly buy whatever what listed and forget about price. They are wrong about most cars as well, especially Wranglers.

I recommend doing lots of research before you buy anything big ticket. I spent two years replacing my E430 Mercedes. Read forums like this, check out YouTube, join a Jeep Club. But be skeptical, especially of the negative voices in these forums, and don’t take any of it too seriously. Cars are fun, Jeeps are really fun if you join a club and get into the great outdoors, don’t ruin it for yourself.

Buy what you can afford to own and maintain, new or used. Fortunately there are a lot of used Jeeps available that need some love and it’s fun to work on them.
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Early on the 3.8 was nothing but minivan junk. It wasn’t until they replaced it with the 3.6 that the JK really took off. So there shouldn’t be any reduction in confidence in the JL 3.6.


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Old 02-20-2019, 09:06 PM   #68
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Old 02-21-2019, 10:23 AM   #69
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I have had 7 Jeeps , never had any serious problems with my Jeeps. Matter of fact, I have never had a Wrangler leak either.

They were always very reliable for me. The JL? Is easily the best Wrangler ever made, IMHO.
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I have had 7 Jeeps , never had any serious problems with my Jeeps. Matter of fact, I have never had a Wrangler leak either.

They were always very reliable for me. The JL? Is easily the best Wrangler ever made, IMHO.
I hope you're right. But it's still early in the game for the JL. I will say it is easily the most complicated Wrangler ever made.
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I hope you're right. But it's still early in the game for the JL. I will say it is easily the most complicated Wrangler ever made.
Totally agree with this, but that's how it goes with "progressing" a product. I'm not saying it's right, because I would be first in line to buy a Wrangler that looked like a JL, but had the complexity of a CJ5. Problem is, people that share that view with me are the minority when it comes to Jeep owners. Companies gotta make them dollars from the masses.
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Everything is more complicated, I can't think of any vehicle that is without a computer and sensors and miles of wiring. So? I started driving (legally) in 1975, first car - Chevy Camaro Z-28, bought used. It had 350 LT-1, 4 speed, 4:10 positraction, headers, loud Cherry Bomb exhaust and of course - a 8-track tape player! No power steering, no AC, say it VY-NELL seats and it helped me build arm strength, lose weight due to sweating 5 lbs per hour in it (August in NC) and got me some street cred with locals. Other than having it for it's classic car value, it would suck big time to drive today. But boy could you work on it with a few tools and a six pack of Bud. No thanks, been there - done that. After 43 years, I LIKE my comfort, and computer controlled gizmos. I like pushing a button and having my car come to life - hot or cold without fiddling with the manual choke like a lawn mower. You have a choice and that's the great thing about this time in history, you can find that old CJ or whatever and spend all the money you can get on it making it exactly what you want or you can buy a new JL. I think it may be about the same price. I don't know, I have one - never tried the other. Does the JL have issues? Well, some sure do and I hope they all get fixed and continue to improve them. But whatever way you choose, I wish ya'll all the best.
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I've got two friends, one with a Grand Cherokee, the other with a Cherokee, and both have had serious no-start issues requiring high dollar repairs involving computers and related components. Both were within warranty luckily, but barely. Neither friend is terribly positive about future reliability.

My JK has been far from perfect compared to other vehicles I've owned also. That it's out of warranty sort of freaks me out sometimes.

Really looking forward to what the new Bronco holds, since I've had far better luck with Ford than FCA....
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I've got two friends, one with a Grand Cherokee, the other with a Cherokee, and both have had serious no-start issues requiring high dollar repairs involving computers and related components. Both were within warranty luckily, but barely. Neither friend is terribly positive about future reliability.

My JK has been far from perfect compared to other vehicles I've owned also. That it's out of warranty sort of freaks me out sometimes.

Really looking forward to what the new Bronco holds, since I've had far better luck with Ford than FCA....
FCA has been bad for years when it comes to TIPM/computer issues, been a victim of it myself with my RAM. Still didn't push me away from buying my JLUR. As I've said before, all manufactures have problems and lemons. I'm just not going to lose sleep over it and enjoy what I have. Though like you, I'm very curious about the new Bronco.
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FCA just announced that they are opening a new Detroit plant, hiring 6,500 people and investing another 4.5 billion into Jeep.

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FCA has been bad for years when it comes to TIPM/computer issues, been a victim of it myself with my RAM. Still didn't push me away from buying my JLUR. As I've said before, all manufactures have problems and lemons. I'm just not going to lose sleep over it and enjoy what I have. Though like you, I'm very curious about the new Bronco.
My '12 Arctic was a total lemon. Pretty sure there were major TIPM/computer issues with it (the thing was possessed), and the transmission (manual) was trash too, like it was worn out and came out of a vehicle with 200K hard miles. Seats were pulling apart at the seams with well under 10K miles. I didn't even have it a year before I learned to hate it. The '04 F150 it replaced was trouble free the entire time I had it, and I regretted trading it for that JK. Still kind of do.

I gave FCA one last shot with my '13, far from flawless as well. Coolant goop issues and a major front cover oil leak, plus a few recalls for good measure. The issues I've had with both JKs plus the staggering price of the JLs has me looking elsewhere for my next vehicle. I've got another 3-4 years to decide, and hope my '13 doesn't have any more issues in the meantime. I love it for the most part, but I think I've had enough FCA.

Bring on that Bronco....
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The fun factor (for me) makes up for any potential issues. My last Wrangler was in 1991 and I’m happy again. I could get a BMW or Cadillac, but the JL makes me smile all the time. If it breaks, I’ll get a loaner.
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Honestly CR is a nice treat to read in the john. Always looking forward to any reviews on Jeeps especially Wranglers. More fun to read than reading the Sunday comic funnies. CR will never get the Jeep thing until the it's over heaven forbid cookie cutter CUV.
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Didn't someone give Wrangler JL the SUV of the year award?
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I have had a CJ, two LJs, now two JKs.


While I don't like some of the design changes and would prefer no power windows, locks, mirrors and get rid of the computers.


I haven't had any reliability problems. The only thing close to a problem was a minor leak in my 2016 freedom panels which Jeep fixed.



Hope that continues with my 2018 JK because I crawled under a couple new JLs at the dealership. Yeah those welds look ugly and the salesman knew exactly what I was looking at and why.
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New JLUR October 2018, 6,500 miles with lots of off-road use. Zero issues, zero recalls, zero complaints. I love it. Very sorry to hear others are having problems.

I posted earlier my opinion of Consumer Reports. Lots of bad advice on things like my LG washing mashing which did not wash or last, replaced it with a much less expensive, lower CR rating GE that works great. That was on the advice of the Home Depot store manager. Also their electronics reviews are completely useless.

I don’t know a car company that doesn’t have some issues. Considered buying a 4Runner before theme Wrangler until I started reading about issues and overall off-road unworthiness. CR doesn’t seem to like SUV’s in general.
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Honestly CR is a nice treat to read in the john. Always looking forward to any reviews on Jeeps especially Wranglers. More fun to read than reading the Sunday comic funnies. CR will never get the Jeep thing until the it's over heaven forbid cookie cutter CUV.

Good room for CR IMHO? Emergency TP would be a good use for it! Bought two lawn tractors according to their recommendations and both may have been fine on flat, manicured lawns where CR tested them, but hilly acreage in the Ozarks not so much. They obviously didn't test them adequately before writing glowing reviews. I no longer subscribed so I Ignored them with the next and have been happy with our choice.


Next was a washer they recommended. 13 months, 1 month after the warranty expired, the computer "Motherboard" went out. A certain company known to have "Bored" repairmen must do so because they refuse to fix their products? Despite hours of phone calls from us and the retailer, we could get the "Reliable" washer company to do nothing because it broke down during month #13. Thankfully, the retailer (Kudos to Hefner's in Poplar Bluff, MO) replaced it for us for free. So, we had another 18 months and guess what? We replaced it with a cheaper, "No name" washer and so far have had over two years with the same washer and no problems.



I've noticed the same trend with vehicles. Well, Hell, a Jeep or a truck aint gonna ride like a Caddy! But I think the testers are all urbanites that aint got a clue about trucks and SUV's? So unless I was someone comparing luxury cars, I'd pay them no mind and leave those issues in the bathroom "Just in case."
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well, i thing i will also contribute to this CR stuff
Owned various jeep/chrysler vehicles in the past - all of them bought used - preowned. I do not count vintages like M38 or CJ - these are out of the statistics.

But except for a regular wear items and some recall parts i can not say anything bad.
Being it the XJ , ZJ, JK or the minivan . it always brought me where i wanted to go and then back home.

Sure there is a different approach in the construction compared to european or japanese manufacturers Some parts on US cars do wear faster, but are cheap and quite easy to replace.

Compared to japanese or german cars where these items are made to last mere 10tsd miles but then you have to replace it as a whole assy which costs you arm and leg.
And that is my point of view being in Europe where to service an US car you have to import a lot from the US



Compared to other brands - the most reliable was a 1990 Honda Accord and E36 BMW - both of them sold with more than 300k miles on the odo.


The most unreliable - Landrover Discovery III - this one i bought new and after 3kmiles the transmission stopped working, dozen other electrical issues, electric e-brake, air suspension.... at the end returned back to the dealer.

The other was VW Passat and VW Bora - both of them with serious driveability issues, sudden engine switch off fir no known reason in the middle of the highway etc.

Since then NO VW group into my house. And that is in the country where the majority of cars are from VW group (VW, Skoda, Seat, Audi...) and the most luxury VW group cars are built.
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Until Jeep/FCA gets rid of the union, crappy products will remain the norm. Consumers pay higher than what market price would be for the product and get below average results for what they pay.
What does the Union have to do with anything? I’m confused, are you saying that poor quality is due to workers making a living wage?

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