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Old 05-08-2019, 06:38 PM
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JL 2018 steering wanders at 40-50 MPH

Ive owned 5 wranglers in my life dating back to 1994. Obviously the handling has improved on each newer model. but my Current is a little scary around 40 mph. It tends to wander all over the place. 2 door Rubicon Factory MT's I took it to my local dealership a week after purchasing ( actual purchase dealership is way too far) They said my steering wheel was not aligned and not quite sure how that has anything to do with the wandering. Was wondering if anyone else is experiencing this or am I just getting old and forgot what a Wrangler was like to drive. Seriously this is probably my only complaint with this one. I love it.

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Just one example.... there are other threads.

https://www.wranglerforum.com/f714/d...w-2355073.html

@JeepCares .....

There are posts in my thread you will want to site when talking to your servicing dealer.
"Steering wheel alignment" has nothing to do with it.

I have had good response from "Jeep Wave" as well as my dealer. My Jeep was in for 2 weeks and had a new redesigned track bar installed as well as some fine tuning to toe adjustment (the only stock adjustment possible) ...
IMO there is something awry with the computer interface that controls power steering assist at speed (there are other possible maladies others have experienced) ...
In my case I DD my Jeep as well as trips I guess they call that "overlanding" these days .... I dunno WTH that even means - I don't have a snorkel so "over watering" isn't really an option... I flunked millennial/yuppie school.

Hope you have good luck as well. FYI - My "new" redesigned track bar helped handling but did not fix the wandering issue.

Good luck.
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My 2 cents,
Electric Power Steering is off above certain speed.
I think my Hyundai EPS is off above 25mph - so the steering is not power assisted.
It could be that Electro- Hidraulic JL steering is working at lowers speeds only and is off at higher speed.
They stated : "With EHPS, improved fuel efficiency can be achieved by activating the steering motor only when the driver is steering"
So when the driver is not "steering" the hydraulic pump is not working. I would be curious to find out the angle the steering wheel has to be turned in order to activate the pump. It is not 1-2 degrees otherwise the pump will be active all the time and the "economical' purpose of the system will be null.
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Yeah the wandering has been an issue for over a year. Mine was cured with a software update to the calibrations. Went from a two-handed affair to being able to drive with one hand on the wheel instantly.
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My steering wander was mostly resolved with a software reflash. I also upgraded to a Fox steering stabilizer. I have almost zero wandering now. Huge improvement.
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I "asked" for a software update/flash and got a shoulder shrug.
Common sense said to me, computer control...not controlling the way it should IMO. Too light at highway speed. Nope.

Instead. The dance continues, unfortunately the dance is me and my Jeep at 70 mph with 80,000 trucks trying to cut in.

Hopefully I survive the dance until FCA deigns to "give" me the fix.
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^^^what you are experiencing is total Bull Shit. $50,000 plus and then it's not safe to drive. Scott, you have more patients then I do.....
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^^^what you are experiencing is total Bull Shit. $50,000 plus and then it's not safe to drive. Scott, you have more patients then I do.....
Thanks Pal. I'm basking in my illusion of patience basted in equal parts delusion of wisdom and Christian grace.

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I am having the same issue with my newly purchased (last week) unlimited rubicon with the mud terrain tires. Is it possible that the tires have something to do with it? I drove my buddy’s rubicon with all terrain tires and there was no wander at all, my dealer said my software was up to date.
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I am having the same issue with my newly purchased (last week) unlimited rubicon with the mud terrain tires. Is it possible that the tires have something to do with it? I drove my buddy’s rubicon with all terrain tires and there was no wander at all, my dealer said my software was up to date.
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Is your tire pressure high?

Drove my new JLUR home about a week ago, it was wondering. Somewhere in the first week I thought I’d learned to drive it, it was tracking good, not wondering. Then back to the dealer to get the 35” KO2s. Heading home it’s wondering. Wishing I’d stayed with the Falken 33” MTs. Checked the tire pressures on the way home because I intended to run nearer the 30-32 PSIG many Forum members use. The pressures hot were 38-39 PSIG. Cut the pressure to 31 PSIG and the wondering is gone. Running about 33-34 Paige hot. I remembered I cut the pressure on the Falken MT 33”s also.

My theory is higher pressure rounds out the middle of the tire footprint.
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Is your tire pressure high?

Drove my new JLUR home about a week ago, it was wondering. Somewhere in the first week I thought I’d learned to drive it, it was tracking good, not wondering. Then back to the dealer to get the 35” KO2s. Heading home it’s wondering. Wishing I’d stayed with the Falken 33” MTs. Checked the tire pressures on the way home because I intended to run nearer the 30-32 PSIG many Forum members use. The pressures hot were 38-39 PSIG. Cut the pressure to 31 PSIG and the wondering is gone. Running about 33-34 Paige hot. I remembered I cut the pressure on the Falken MT 33”s also.

My theory is higher pressure rounds out the middle of the tire footprint.
So, on a scale of popsicles....35" KO2 vs the 33's you had?

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So, on a scale of popsicles....35" KO2 vs the 33's you had?

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I had a JK with BFG MT 32s which wore out pretty quick. Then switched to the KO2 33s. Liked them much better, good wear, quieter. On them all my off-road (about 2 weeks per yr) was in Colorado and the KO2s did very well.

Drove the new JLUR about a week with the Falken MT 33s. They drove well after letting some air out. A bit noisy. After a week the BFG KO2 35s were on. They seemed just as noisy, but a 2.5” lift was added also, so that might create some noise. JLUR had great acceleration on 33s, I miss that a little. After letting some air out they are tracking well and not as rough riding. I’m letting about a pound out each day to see where I hit the low pressure alarm. When I bought the JLUR I requested the low pressure alarm to be reset to 25 psig but they couldn’t do it.
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I had a JK with BFG MT 32s which wore out pretty quick. Then switched to the KO2 33s. Liked them much better, good wear, quieter. On them all my off-road (about 2 weeks per yr) was in Colorado and the KO2s did very well.

Drove the new JLUR about a week with the Falken MT 33s. They drove well after letting some air out. A bit noisy. After a week the BFG KO2 35s were on. They seemed just as noisy, but a 2.5” lift was added also, so that might create some noise. JLUR had great acceleration on 33s, I miss that a little. After letting some air out they are tracking well and not as rough riding. I’m letting about a pound out each day to see where I hit the low pressure alarm. When I bought the JLUR I requested the low pressure alarm to be reset to 25 psig but they couldn’t do it.
Do you have the "C" load or "E"? They 315/70-17 BFG comes both ways.
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Do you have the "C" load or "E"? They 315/70-17 BFG comes both ways.
35 x 12.5 BFG KO2 load range E. On Black Rhino Warlords.
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I bought a 2018 wrangler and I love it. I had 35"tires and a 2.5 in lift. When the tires were installed they over inflated tires(found out later, driving on highway was terrifying lol)With help on here i lowered all tires to 28psi and it helped beyond belief.
My problem now is the tire pressure monitor light stays on all the time and is annoying. Is there any way it can be recalibrated to regulate current pressures?.
I appreciate any help with this !!!

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I believe device(s) like the Flashcal adjusts the TPMS thresholds....
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I am SURE this was mentioned in here but I didnt read all the comments. When I purchased my new 19 4 Door Rubicon, I had the same issue. Wandering LIKE CRAZY. To the point I had a pretty good argument with dealer to take back vehicle the next day. To no avail mind you.

I was recommended in here to air down to 32-35 pounds per tire. I kinda scoffed at the idea to be honest. Went to the beach, aired down and when it was time to air back up, I only went to 35 each tire. Didnt CURE it but it sure as heck helped a bunch! Hope this helps you as I was pretty ticked off my 57 thousand dollar purchase felt like a bread truck on a windy day.

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I am SURE this was mentioned in here but I didnt read all the comments. When I purchased my new 19 4 Door Rubicon, I had the same issue. Wandering LIKE CRAZY. To the point I had a pretty good argument with dealer to take back vehicle the next day. To no avail mind you.

I was recommended in here to air down to 32-35 pounds per tire. I kinda scoffed at the idea to be honest. Went to the beach, aired down and when it was time to air back up, I only went to 35 each tire. Didnt CURE it but it sure as heck helped a bunch! Hope this helps you as I was pretty ticked off my 57 thousand dollar purchase felt like a bread truck on a windy day.

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The 90% cure I think is around 32 psig.
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I have an adjustable Rancho front track bar in-bound BUT having already installed my Rancho 2" lift and the new RS5000 shocks I can say the ride and handling is dramatically improved.

Stiffer without being harsh at all is better.....

Amazing that the OE Rubicon suspension was so bad just squishy and not in a cute cuddly way.....
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I have an adjustable Rancho front track bar in-bound BUT having already installed my Rancho 2" lift and the new RS5000 shocks I can say the ride and handling is dramatically improved.

Stiffer without being harsh at all is better.....

Amazing that the OE Rubicon suspension was so bad just squishy and not in a cute cuddly way.....
So you lifted it two inches and it improved the handling?

Not trying to be snark. I honestly am just learning all this stuff. I would have thought that would have increased the steering issue, but I guess not. What size wheel and tire did you go with or did you leave the stock wheels on?

I wanted to lift mine with a teraflex 3 inch lift and go 35 or 37 tire but figured it would make for a worse steering/handling feel so I had decided against it.
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OE wheel and 35's. Rancho lift.

Way better. Not even close.
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OE wheel and 35's. Rancho lift.

Way better. Not even close.
Son of a gun. Maybe I should do this too. My main goal for the JLUR is beach crawler, maybe some light trails. I am not a rock kinda guy. Maybe I would be if there was stuff around here, but I am on Long Island, NY so there is beach, beach and long island expressway.

This IS my daily driver. I leased it and was planning on buying it out anyways, but with the steering issues I leaned against it. Airing down helped a lot. I may decide to keep it now. Having a blast on the beach and exploring better fishing spots now that I can reach them.

So if I do decide to keep her, I would lift it knowing now that it could help the steering. And Id like new wheels. Maybe fuels or something. Not looking to break the bank and I dont want to spend 1000 per wheel like my vette, not including tires (ugh). Since I dont rock crawl really, I cant see the need for a forged wheel.

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Son of a gun. Maybe I should do this too. My main goal for the JLUR is beach crawler, maybe some light trails. I am not a rock kinda guy. Maybe I would be if there was stuff around here, but I am on Long Island, NY so there is beach, beach and long island expressway.

This IS my daily driver. I leased it and was planning on buying it out anyways, but with the steering issues I leaned against it. Airing down helped a lot. I may decide to keep it now. Having a blast on the beach and exploring better fishing spots now that I can reach them.

So if I do decide to keep her, I would lift it knowing now that it could help the steering. And Id like new wheels. Maybe fuels or something. Not looking to break the bank and I dont want to spend 1000 per wheel like my vette, not including tires (ugh). Since I dont rock crawl really, I cant see the need for a forged wheel.

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This might not help but I have a 4” lift and run 37’s on my Rubicon. I was experiencing some wandering and developed some wobble at around 40-45 mph. I had the PCM flashed under the “cruise control” warranty recall last year and that surprisingly helped. Then I installed a Rancho adjustable track bar in front, the same in back with a track bar relocation bracket to correct the geometry. Both have made significant improvements. Oddly, the final piece was installing new Daystar front coil spring isolators which helped correct the coil spring bow I had from the lift. THAT final piece completed the deal. It tracks straighter than it ever has, the wobble is gone as well. I’m still planning on replacing the drag link and tie rod with Synergy’s product and a steering dampener relocation bracket to get it out of the squeezed location from the factory. I hear FCA is offering a drag link upgrade. No thanks. The track bars and even the stock coil isolators are lightweight junk. That’s what comes with having to shave ounces off the vehicle to satisfy EPA estimates. We end up paying to correct their short-lasting, paltry design. All under the name of Rubicon too!


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This might not help but I have a 4” lift and run 37’s on my Rubicon. I was experiencing some wandering and developed some wobble at around 40-45 mph. I had the PCM flashed under the “cruise control” warranty recall last year and that surprisingly helped. Then I installed a Rancho adjustable track bar in front, the same in back with a track bar relocation bracket to correct the geometry. Both have made significant improvements. Oddly, the final piece was installing new Daystar front coil spring isolators which helped correct the coil spring bow I had from the lift. THAT final piece completed the deal. It tracks straighter than it ever has, the wobble is gone as well. I’m still planning on replacing the drag link and tie rod with Synergy’s product and a steering dampener relocation bracket to get it out of the squeezed location from the factory. I hear FCA is offering a drag link upgrade. No thanks. The track bars and even the stock coil isolators are lightweight junk. That’s what comes with having to shave ounces off the vehicle to satisfy EPA estimates. We end up paying to correct their short-lasting, paltry design. All under the name of Rubicon too!


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Thank you as well for that information. ANYTHING helps. Sad we have to toss thousand and thousands of dollars to correct a 57 thousand dollar Jeep issue. FCA, really knows how to sucker us, eh? Buy our crappy Jeep, and then spend a ton of money on it, and then buy another one. And like Sheeple, we do LOL
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Just want to also throw my hat in this "steering wander" ring at higher speeds. My suspension is completely stock at the moment and the steering feels loose at highway speeds.
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I had just aired down the tires and that seemed to help tremendously. Went from dealer having it at 47psi to 32-33psi. So much better.

Then, I went with an AEV Sport 2.5 inch lift, 37 inch Toyos, and 17 inch Fuels coupled with Teraflex Falcon Adjustable track bar up front.

Wander is back LOL. But ya had to see THAT coming. I aired down to 35 with significant wander still. Ill drop to 32 and see what happens. But beyond that I dont feel comfortable. I have a buddy (dont we all? LOL) running his 35's with 28 psi and says its great. But then I also heard running too low of PSI daily can ruin the belts inside the tire and give you the death wobble within 6 months or so.

Sorry, all new to me. I WILL learn this though. I WILL conquer this too!
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I run 31-32 in my all stock 2018 Rubi 2 door. I've driven this thing across the country and it drives and tracks just fine at 80mph all day long. Sure it's a bit squirrely at times but for a solid axle short wheelbase high CG vehicle it handles pretty good.

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