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Old 11-19-2019, 07:48 PM
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To eTorque or to not

I am in the market for a new JL. I have the option to buy a 2.0L turbo 2019 w/ eTorque or a 2020 w/o the eTorque.

I am curious as to what the experience is here. I have driven the 2.0 with it and I thought it was great. I live up at 5500ft above sea level so most of our trails start at that or above. I am replacing my JK Rubi 3.6 on 35in tires with 2"lift and 4.56gears.

The fuel economy is better on the 2.0 at our elevation especially. The power seems better than my 3.6 also as it overcomes the elevation deficiency with being turboed.

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As one of only 3 people in the country NOT bothered by ESS, (I hardly notice it) I am loathe to give advice but I'll just say that my own experience with etorque has been positive. My 2018 JLUR has boatloads more usable power than the anemic 3.6 (2017 JKUS) I had, reliably returns 21 mpg compared to 14-15, and gets onto the freeway without me pinching out an embarrassment. I like mine. The turbo should only get better at altitude, but the etorque is a keeper for me. But don't listen to me....I also think FCA is a pretty amazing company....
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Does anyone know where the eTorque motor is located in the Jeep. I have a Mercedes with this device and it is essentially a large electric motor located between the engine and transmission. Looking at the diagrams makes me think itís a nightmare to replace if it ever goes bad. My plan is to get rid of the Mercedes right before the warranty expires.
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I thought the Wrangler’s ETorque device was on the engine, like an alternator, and is part of the serpentine belt system. I’m probably wrong.
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It is on the engine. The motor bolts on and drives through the belt.
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IMO it still doesn't have enough time in the hands of the public to have proven itself to me. Call me an old timer, I'd rather not be an early adopter of the technology. To me is just something else that can go wrong down the road. Flame suit on. lol
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I thought the e-torque was only going to be on the 2020 Sahara, so if that's the case, then why did Jeep decide that? Also, the non Rubicon JK's came with higher gearing (lower numbers) like 3:21? and a 5 speed auto, that would account for sluggish perforamnce and low mpg's. I have a buddy with a 2016 and he says it's a dog too, he drove my "anemic 3.6" 2018 JL and was ready to go get one, till he looked at his checkbook...
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It is on the engine. The motor bolts on and drives through the belt.

Figures, FCA did it the cheesiest way possible.
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My 2018 JLUR has boatloads more usable power than the anemic 3.6 (2017 JKUS) I had, reliably returns 21 mpg compared to 14-15, and gets onto the freeway without me pinching out an embarrassment. I like mine. The turbo should only get better at altitude, but the etorque is a keeper for me. But don't listen to me....I also think FCA is a pretty amazing company....
So I am in exactly that same postion as you were. My 17 JKUR(12.6mpg average with autostarts in the winter here) is on the chopping block for a 19 JLUR. I went this morning and drove a 19 JLUS vs a 20 JLUS and the turbo lag is noticable on the 20 without the eTorque. So I will be getting the 19 over the 20!
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I thought the e-torque was only going to be on the 2020 Sahara, so if that's the case, then why did Jeep decide that? Also, the non Rubicon JK's came with higher gearing (lower numbers) like 3:21? and a 5 speed auto, that would account for sluggish perforamnce and low mpg's. I have a buddy with a 2016 and he says it's a dog too, he drove my "anemic 3.6" 2018 JL and was ready to go get one, till he looked at his checkbook...
Yes the eTorque is only going to be on the(in the US) 3.6L Sahara and no official word on the 2.0L in that model. The only reasons I an going from the 17 3.6L to the 19 2.0L eTorque are the bump in mileage and the useable power is better due to the turbo at my elevation. The naturally asperated 3.6L at 6000ft is putting out about 20% less HP&TQ. That makes a big difference in performace when I am going up the mountains.
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My 2017 JKUS was running 3.73 gears. The etorque system used on the 2.0 has been in production for 3 (or more?) years. It's not an antique yet but is no prom queen either. I like it. It makes me happy.
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Yes the eTorque is only going to be on the(in the US) 3.6L Sahara and no official word on the 2.0L in that model.
When Jeep released 2020 model information they officially announced that only Sahara would get eTorque. This includes the standard 2.0 and optional 3.6 (w/ auto), eTorque was dropped from the 2.0 in every other trim level.
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I am in the market for a new JL. I have the option to buy a 2.0L turbo 2019 w/ eTorque or a 2020 w/o the eTorque.
We did the same thing, but in the end we went with a 2020 2L turbo with NO etorque, and there were two reasons for this.

1. The 2018/2019 had some pretty big issues with steering recalls. Etorque was also new to the 2019, and I never buy first year models.

2. After doing a LOOOTTTT of research on what etorque is and how it works, I came to the conclusion that I A: didn't need it, and B: didn't want to pay the extra cost and risk something going wrong later (repair would be huge). It's too new, the cost is too high, and so is the risk. It SOUNDS like a really cool idea, if it works as it claims... but in my opinion that has yet to be proven. The higher expense just didn't benefit the risk OR the savings on gas (which are bare minimum on a 2L engine).

THEN when the 2020's came out (and we were ready to order), the option of etorque was gone. WHAT? Why no etorque on the turbo? Where did it go? When I enquired about this, I learned that there was a "compatibility problem", and that was that. No further answers. Then I learned that the etorque battery alone costs $3500 (CAD). DONE LIKE DINNER! No etorque for us!

(My 2020 no etorque Jeep is currently on the train and will be here in about 2-3 weeks!)
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