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Old 08-19-2019, 01:51 AM
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I decided to do some research on California state parks. As we have numerous OHV parks here as well.

https://cslea.com/2018/02/crime-in-c...-more-rangers/

https://www.sacbee.com/news/investig...le2572950.html

https://wtkr.com/2019/01/08/armed-su...osecutors-say/

Makes me think crime is up in parks in general here in the United States.

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Sad but expected. The general decline in the quality of people continues.

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I’d estimate an overall civility towards others in general. Or the lack of it.

Vast population increase another.
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I’d estimate an overall civility towards others in general. Or the lack of it.

Vast population increase another.
I attribute it directly to the lack of God being allowed in our government, schools, courts and the press.

Good and evil are black and white. There isn't degrees of good. Anything other than good is evil.

Man's law can't make moral what God has declared immoral. Even if a sin is legalized, it's still a sin in the eyes of God.

If more folks would follow the instructions of every major religion on earth we'd have a whole lot fewer problems. Generally stated, "treat others how you want to be treated".


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Only looked at the 1st &3rd link (2nd wanted me to turn off the ad blocker) and neither stated any data saying crime is on the increase. And even if there is more crimes, is it proportional to the increase in visitors? Crime and bad news sells and that's why it is all over. Happy/good news rarely make the news. And normal every day events aren't even mentioned. That 3rd article about the shooter - how many happy families enjoyed their vacation during that time frame and won't make the news? There always has been and always will be bad folks doing bad things. There will always will be good folks doing good things also. If we stopped buying the bad news and started paying attention to the good things, maybe good news would start to sell.

Me, I just stopped watching the news all together. It's all propaganda trying to brainwash anyway. Just glance at the headlines to get a gist of what is happening. Really dreading this next election cycle. How to make an informed decision with all the BS out there?
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In Arizona I would assume most people that are camping are armed. When I go out I always see several people OC and I would imagine many more are CCW. Some places I go camping people are shooting in the same area. If someone wants to start trouble they will be met with resistance.

According to FBI statistics violent crime has been on a decrease for the last decade. I donít know why it would be higher at camping areas like national and state forest and parks.
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Me, I just stopped watching the news all together. It's all propaganda trying to brainwash anyway. Just glance at the headlines to get a gist of what is happening. Really dreading this next election cycle. How to make an informed decision with all the BS out there?

I pulled the plug at the beginning of 2013 which was a great decision. You can not watch the news for a year and not miss anything. Since then, all I have is Netflix and Amazon Video so I watch series shows and movies. Voting is pretty easy for me. - After all the illegal shenanigans and nonstop gaslighting on the one side last go around I vote straight R down the ticket.
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In Arizona I would assume most people that are camping are armed. When I go out I always see several people OC and I would imagine many more are CCW. Some places I go camping people are shooting in the same area. If someone wants to start trouble they will be met with resistance.
This is MT. Everyone here carries and most carry large caliber when in the mountains. We are number three on the food chain here (Grizzly and Mountain Lion). Many hunters here are legit long range shooters and are geared to drop stuff at a mile (Bighorn Sheep). There is no shortage of exotic weaponry here.

In the cities people are still armed. There may be a sign on a door that says gun free zone but I assure you it's not.

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If more folks would follow the instructions of every major religion on earth we'd have a whole lot fewer problems.

Every? Especially "the religion of peace"
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I attribute it directly to the lack of God being allowed in our government, schools, courts and the press.
Because nothing quells violence like a crusade... People who need a holy book, omnipotent sky wizard, and threat of eternal damnation to keep them from raping and murdering aren't the type of people conducive to peaceful cohabitation.
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Thatís not really the message that was being taught. People in general are tribal and ego self-centered and fear driven. The idea was to consider service to a greater good and fellow man.
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Because nothing quells violence like a crusade... People who need a holy book, omnipotent sky wizard, and threat of eternal damnation to keep them from raping and murdering aren't the type of people conducive to peaceful cohabitation.
WOW... I don't know which "holy book" you referring to, but if someone reads the bible and walks away with that - that person has some serious reading comprehension issues. LOL
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raping and murdering aren't the type of people conducive to peaceful cohabitation.
You've described the normal state of secular man. Without non-subjective truth, anything goes. We see that in spades, with gross selfishness, wanton disregard for others, and the tearing down of moral and behavioral standards in the US today. How anyone can look at modern secular culture and think it is superior to the God-steeped culture of 75+ years ago is sad.

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IMO,
First article was written from the perspective of the UNION bosses who are want to increase their membership and salaries.
Second article was about generally increased "crime" that was minor stuff (tresspassing, car surfing?) and basically said major crime had not increased much.
Third article was about a specific Koo Koo person on a rampage.

It is legal to carry concealed in a California State Park IF you have a California CCW license.

IMO, many of these state parks, especially near population centers, have an increased presence of "homeless people who are responsible for a lot of the increase in crime.
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if someone reads the bible and walks away with that - that person has some serious reading comprehension issues

Agreed, you nailed it. He's making the point of Jesse, "The Mind"[less], Ventura, who famously proclaimed that Christianity is for the "weak-minded."


By making this point, he and Jesse reveal that they're clueless about nature, the meaning of life, and Judeo-Christian ethics, and they actually further support Lucky Mac's points.


At the risk of being inartful, I'll add the obvious: Islam preaches the hateful subjugation of infidels by any means. As a result of such ideology, Islam is like the Klan calling itself a religion. How about a side-by-side comparison with Jesus counseling us to turn the other cheek.


The point about the crusades reveals an almost total lack of knowledge of history, unless the intent was to imply that they're losers because of the crusades, instead of because of loser values (that they're trying to force on infidels by any means).


Yes, the efforts to undermine western civilization are indeed responsible for the original subject of this thread, as well as a lot of other stuff.


Since 9/11, thousands of brave and selfless American servicemen have risked life and limb to protect civilization (and the rest of us) from those who would make the rest of the world like Syria.
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I know I started this, but it went astray fast-like.

I was hoping Forum members in other states would chime in on their own states unlawful acts on State and federal lands and parks.

Values, culture, and belief can get somebody fired, hanged by the neck until dead, flogged in public, beaten down, pushed and shoved screamed at...

Merely wearing a Cap or certain kind of tee-shirt.

Oftentimes, I'm unsure what I'm around, what exactly is that I see walking into the entrance to an eatery. As a whole, I meet with good folks. We speak a bit. I dress neutral as in nothing expressing anything period. Hats are always plain. Oh maybe my small 8th Infantry Division metal emblem.

Whenever I wear my Route 66 Hats I get tons of evaluative studies. Some, mostly blacks get out of their chairs an walk over to get a good look at my hat. From a distance it must look like some sort of white militia racist thing. When I get stairs I move in and ask is there something you wish to asked me? Some do question, some don't. Even after I tell them they don't get it, or never heard of Route 66.

I stopped wearing it because ignorance can get an older white male hurt. I am mindful whenever I am out in public. Our state just signed into law striking third striker enhancements down, due to them being racist. Regardless these guys having hundreds of past offenses.

I have to live here, this day. Most people in my (Low Information People) community have little idea of the subject matter you all speak about. But, to my small recon operations in my Toy 86 I visit free camp sites, speak with park employees, even visitors if they appear older and mature. Some travel full time as they injoy a decent pension an, their life mate, the wife over a period of years succumbed to bone cancer. The home, long ago paid for, is now empty. Kids grown, seldom call, never visit.

People can be fascinating, but, he had some spooky stores to share when we got to the topic of personal safety while on the road. Including his public observations of his fellow campers acting like pigs in slop.

Keeping it short.
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Good points - why would you want to smother it with a play-by-play of unlawful acts ?
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@FUBAR-Retiree Sir, you need to get out of California. I get what you're saying but no man should have to worry about what they wear into a restaurant.

I will stick up for my elders regardless but if I ever see the any of the worthless new generation picking on an old pathfinder I will take a personal interest in crippling them for life.

Montana would love to have you. We are 10% veteran. You don't need to worry about what you wear in our state. There are a few far left individuals here. A couple cities have more than others. They will never rise up here like California or Oregon. Not only is MT full blooded American, we are a militia state.

Come visit MT sir, bring your Route 66 hat!
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The following is a complete work of fiction. Nothing of real time or related actually occurred. This is for drama effect only.

Just returned from Mic Dees.

Subject in drive through lost it suddenly trying to crawl from diver-side into service window making threats to kill.

Cops came. Dudes on active parole. Lengthy rap sheet. I sat nearby kinda-of listening to bullshit rolling out of the mouth of 25 year old deputy declaring I'm humming this call because I really do not wish to deal with this thug. Especially in view of possibility having to use force on this subject.

Too bad he's not an active member of a white supremacy group or the Feds would have become immediately involved. Manhunt ensue.

Nope. yet another example why civilian can NOT interdict such incident in California as in a hot ricky-tic you playing the Roy Rodgers role will have you arrested quick-like.

As Californians we now must run away as are only means to self preservation without becoming involved in a legal fight for our freedoms costing possibly $500,000 to defense cost. All while you, Roy Rodgers sits in county jail sharing your Canteen wam-wams with crud-balls so as hopefully not get a mop handle shoved where the sun down't shine.

Wife was with me. She held me in place. I held onto my demeanor. If he actually climbed into the service window and attacked I had already performed a scenario mental vision of what an how I would pop him in the back of the head with my 380. Its what shooters do once you become very familiarized with the practice.

After action, I'd probably suffer a heart attack an die shorty thereafter.

I'm glad it did not reach that point, I never actually recall tasting my burger. Got the shakes trying to get into my car. Sorry, I cannot recall what this post is about. Merely replying to CommandoSandwich.

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Good points - why would you want to smother it with a play-by-play of unlawful acts ?
Maybe to get armed travelers in here to start thinking how an what thereíer reactions would be if sudden crises irrupted near them? Its wonderful to experience the peace and tranquility of outward bound exploration.

For folks who do not wish to have firearms, maybe they could have alternatives too!

What are some examples? I live in California. I often travel the mountain paved roads noting old beater class Cís mainly as well as other evidence of long term stay by the large numbers of water barrels and multiple propane tanks and garbage
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Other alternatives is not to have any further discussion and close the thread. I’m good with it.

Ignore over-population. Ignore man caused pollution, Filth, mental breakdown confronting other campers unawares. kids taking axes to Giant Sequoias and tables. Folks washing themselves and their nasty children in once pristine wilderness streams. Oh—But we cannot communicate with them because they choose NOT to speak English to the kind Ranger...

How about camping, large group shows up with mattresses tied on top of their cars, thirty or so. You witness them trash the very stream you are enjoying. Knowing Brown Trout living in there.

Would you try saying anything? When? First you have no idea where they are from? Two? They ignore you. Man—Come on critical think here. Park staff around my areas are overburdened with hundreds of issues. In no time. These very same issues will be coming to your town and encampment.
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We know it's coming our way. Being in NJ, I've already accepted that the bad guys are confident that they're in charge of public spaces now. Maybe forget about the trout and go wheeling with nice people.


Your story about Mic Dees was well done, but you'll never get a real-world opportunity to do it, so stop getting yourself down with fantasizing.


In a previous life, I temp'd in NYC. I learned to recognize instantly when the bad guys were determined to walk all over me. I found that saying things they needed to hear caused them to attack physically much more often than I ever would have imagined possible. I didn't know I was witty until then. I got to hurt a lot of bad guys as a result, but it was not worth it, because it was not good for me. The bad guys really are in charge of public spaces now.


It was amusing to see the bad guys try to get me in trouble by lying to cops, now that cameras are everywhere. The cops naturally sided with the bad guys, so they threatened and screamed and tried to make me admit to doing things I didn't do. But they couldn't do anything else to me because of the video. As a result, cops have been leading the push to criminalize video.


It would have been messy if I had been armed, so don't let them know you're packing.


For your own safety, please be aware that a lot of bad things still happen to people who believe in right and wrong:


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Police are just people and there are some bad apples. The fact that a CCW holder is 6 times less likely than a Police offer to commit a crime (felony and misdemeanor) should tell you something. BTW, I support law enforcement in Arizona and found them to be very reasonable and pro 2A.
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Law enforcement in MT are all pro 2A. When you identify to a local cop a lot of times they won't even ask to see the weapon. Game wardens don't run your name when they meet you on a mountain and you're heavily armed (locals that is). Many of them will stop and talk firearms with you especially if you have something long range on you like a .33 Nosler with high end optics. Occasionally they're known to take a few shots with your hardware.

Cops here will hassle people. Out of state people that is. California, New Jersey, Illinois, etc. They know where the problem people are at and they don't want them moving in here. Those people will get tickets for any and all violations. I know a Sheriff that will outright tell you he doesn't want you here. If you test him he will prove it to you. What are you going to do? Call the cops? Call our Congressman? Pfft!

I'm glad our law enforcement hassles people from these areas. I'm glad they profile. Yes, a few good people may leave MT with a bad taste in their mouth. That's fine because we will never have the problems places like New Jersey or Chicago have.

People who have worked in high risk occupations have been told "complacency kills". It is true in many aspects of life. The cities that have already fallen to Islam or to the far left idiocy only have themselves to blame. They were complacent in the beginning. They were politically correct and now they pay for it. You should have spoke up the very first time. You never should have backed up. You should have voted instead of staying home thinking it doesn't matter. When your friends and neighbors did nothing you should have shamed them for it. Complacency killed you!

To those of you in those bad areas, I say move out. If enough people abandon those areas they will go broke. More broke than they already are. At some point they will have to address the problem. I suspect many people will be complacent and do nothing. When things get worse they will still only gripe.

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We know it's coming our way. Being in NJ, I've already accepted that the bad guys are confident that they're in charge of public spaces now. Maybe forget about the trout and go wheeling with nice people.


Your story about Mic Dees was well done, but you'll never get a real-world opportunity to do it, so stop getting yourself down with fantasizing.


In a previous life, I temp'd in NYC. I learned to recognize instantly when the bad guys were determined to walk all over me. I found that saying things they needed to hear caused them to attack physically much more often than I ever would have imagined possible. I didn't know I was witty until then. I got to hurt a lot of bad guys as a result, but it was not worth it, because it was not good for me. The bad guys really are in charge of public spaces now.


It was amusing to see the bad guys try to get me in trouble by lying to cops, now that cameras are everywhere. The cops naturally sided with the bad guys, so they threatened and screamed and tried to make me admit to doing things I didn't do. But they couldn't do anything else to me because of the video. As a result, cops have been leading the push to criminalize video.


It would have been messy if I had been armed, so don't let them know you're packing.


For your own safety, please be aware that a lot of bad things still happen to people who believe in right and wrong:


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Exactly sir.

My indicating the interviewing deputy humming the call translates into HE did not wish to investigate , pursue the parolee threat/violation. He bullshited the manager of McDonalds and I could see her shaking an upset with the lack of concern the Sheriffs Department lent her an employees.

This example is exactly what leads to further violence involving numerous victims at a restaurant.

My fantasizing: I'm ok with that. Let me explain. I've been taught even experienced numerous shootings mostly over a five year period. What I am indicating in my statement above I was rehearsing in my mind before the hostile thug actually climbed from his car into the service window in the drive through.

His target was an employee inside. Employee unknown to me.

I remained seated. Whole time. I figure if I am going to act I must have a plan of action. Or the mind freezes. You become incapable of acting in a high stress moment.

But, I am not honestly in much shape to interdict any force on force violence as I am pretty bungled up physically and mentally.

When I was on the job (1980-1998 I knew plenty of young men Bus. Owners/employees) who beat the crap out of thugs entering their establishments. We officers worked with that. Nowadays, I'm confused how right and wrong measures out. California just entered new use of force laws making police shootings Probable versus Reasonable cause to believe deadly force is necessary.

Don't say never to a man whose been paid to shoot people. Retired Prison Guard.

I live with violence going through my head in between trying to be a jolly ol' wanker good fella near midnight-sleep is iffy.

Back then in the day.

After 10 hours of a 6 shot shooting day on the main yard prison facility, I'd get involved in two more shootings that night as a Police Reserve. However I never did fire my weapon as a Police Officer on duty as I never once had an appropriate shot. Or a shot that would not endanger other citizens say in apartment complexes. I would be asked by Superiors why I didn't shoot, especially when several other cops did, my response was, I never saw well the suspect, or suspect was running away. I knew the distance to be too great to affect the shot without endangering the public.

The other important fact, I was calm. Because of prison, I learned by OJT to keep my head on straight. Violence is violence. I grew up, I matured courtesy of the convicts I was charged with keeping under lock and key. We weíre hurt often some of us.

Prison is the Harvard Universities of Con-California. WE GOTS LOTS OF theM

Inside, an outside the walls of purgatory.
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Unless I can be 100% certain who is innocent in a given scenario it makes no sense to get involved. In the drive-thru scenario maybe the mcdon employee had sold drugs to the person in the car and he came back unhappy with the deal. How do I know what the hell is really going on?

Even the Police have no duty to protect civilians. During the LA riots the Police were overrun and abandoned many areas leaving the business owners to fend for themselves. Most famous were the armed Koreans that positioned themselves on rooftops.

I spend a decent amount of time studying the law and reading about relevant court cases involving self defense. It is quite sobering to see that perspective. Of great importance is also the DA and their position and record on self defense. Donít be that guy on the news.
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Old 09-02-2019, 05:38 AM   #30
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I never did fire my weapon as a Police Officer on duty as I never once had an appropriate shot. I would be asked by Superiors why I didn't shoot, especially when several other cops did, my response was, I never saw well the suspect, or suspect was running away.

Great perspectives, and well done again. Now we have some additional insight into why your comments tend to be better than a cut above the rest.


I'm still trying to figure out why it's become acceptable to shoot unarmed people 50 times.



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