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Old 10-22-2019, 07:47 PM
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Water can for Smittybilt Atlas swing-away gas can rack

One of the things bad things about moving from a truck to a Jeep for overlanding is the lack of a tailgate. I sure do miss that workspace! For many years I've been able to prop my Reliance water cans on the tailgate and have an elevated source for water. Not with the jeep - they sit back to far and just dribble on the bumper.

So I'm thinking about replacing one of the 5 gallon gas cans (I rarely need both) for water so that it is elevated and handy right near the back of the jeep.

The challenge is that only certain cans will fit - My green NATO can won't fit th driver's side of the rack because of the offset and height of the cap. I need to find a plastic bottle that will fit within the same dimensions as these red "Harbor Freight" Jerry cans (which have lousy pour spouts, btw!)

Has anyone else figured out a good system? If not, I'll figure something out and post back...







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Would a Pro-Quip 22L water can work?



Perhaps two 2-gal. Rotopax water cans?



My Rock Hard 4x4 can mounts with Wavian NATO- style gas can and Pro-Quip water can:
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Old 10-23-2019, 01:38 PM
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In looking at the ProQuip and Wavian 22L water cans, they appear to be about an inche too wide (thick) to fit in the bottom wells of the Smittybilt carrier.
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My 22l Pro Quip water can measures 6 1/2" W at the lip of my can mount and 6 3/4" at the widest part.
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Wavian 5G/20L in blue for water fits. Same as their red for gasoline, yellow for diesel. They do not make a white can.
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Wavian 5G/20L in blue for water fits. Same as their red for gasoline, yellow for diesel. They do not make a white can.
Have you tested it on both sides of the carrier? It looks like the fill cap is centered and fairly low, so it shouldn't make a difference.

One thing I just noticed about the Wavian can is that it has a spout at the bottom that might be PERFECT for using the water as it is hanging off the carrier.


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Wavian 5G/20L in blue for water fits. Same as their red for gasoline, yellow for diesel. They do not make a white can.
Well I just received my Wavian PLASTIC water can and realized that when you said "Wavian 5G/20L" you must have been referring to the METAL can not their plastic one.

Because the plastic one most definitely does NOT fit and is about an inch wider than the metal cans.

It is slightly shorter, and will clear the overhead bend of the Smittybilt bar, but I am very disappointed to find that they don't fit into the bottom tray because they are too wide. Also for $45, the construction isn't any better looking than my $15 Reliance cans from Walmart. This one is just a slightly more convenient shape for loading into a truck or jeep because it is more upright.

So... The search continues for a good water can that will fit the Smittybilt carrier...

Pictures are of a Midwest Industries 5800 can (Red) a Lexington Container 20L NATO can, and the Wavian 22L water can.









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Photos of the various cans in relation to the can carrier?

The photos posted above do a good job of illustrating the differences between the various containers but not the issues with fitment in the can carrier.
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Photos of the various cans in relation to the can carrier?

The photos posted above do a good job of illustrating the differences between the various containers but not the issues with fitment in the can carrier.

I was able to force the Wavian can onto the carrier and spent a weekend with it in the back country. The petcock that comes out the bottom *could* be really handy, except that it threads in very loosely and then just jumps the threads and spins when tightened before it even becomes snug. Because it has an o-ring, it doesn't leak, but it makes one-handed operation impossible, since when you try to open the petcock, the entire assembly rotates and then begins leaking. VERY poorly designed.

The search continues for the ideal on-board water scenario...






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[QUOTE=sbsyncro;34573603]I was able to force the Wavian can onto the carrier and spent a weekend with it in the back country. The petcock that comes out the bottom *could* be really handy, except that it threads in very loosely and then just jumps the threads and spins when tightened before it even becomes snug. Because it has an o-ring, it doesn't leak, but it makes one-handed operation impossible, since when you try to open the petcock, the entire assembly rotates and then begins leaking. VERY poorly designed.

The search continues for the ideal on-board water scenario...

@SBSYNCO I too am very interested in what you find. I also have the Atlas rear bumper with tire carrier. Hauling around 10gal of gas is rarely needed but 5 of gas and 5 of water would be great. This bumper only looks complete with both cans. Maybe calling Smittybilt for a suggested can?
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Update on this thread. I think I have a pretty workable water solution now for camping out of the back of the Jeep. I always bring a couple gallons of drinking water separately and use my "jug" water for things like boiling pasta, washing hands and dishes, brushing teeth, bathing, etc. Its potable, but I don't usually drink it, so my approach might be a bit different from someone who wants to use this as a potable water supply.



As I mentioned earlier, the bottom spout on the Wavian SUCKS. It was really the only reason I bought this versus the $16 Scepter can from Walmart (blue one) which looks almost identical but without the bottom spout. If I had this to do over again, I probably would just buy the inexpensive Scepter can https://www.walmart.com/ip/Scepter-5...pout/701144863 and then drill a hole for a plumbing fitting.

However - I had the Wavian, so I was able to adapt it for my needs as follows:

1. Luckily, the bottom threads for the spout are regular garden hose threads. I was able to use a garden hose brass shutoff coupling from Home Depot (SKU 046878279339 - $4.98), flip it around backwards and install it in the can. NOTE: make sure you use a hose gasket behind it, and seal the threads otherwise it leaks like a mofo.

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2. To strengthen it, I applied some clear JB Weld epoxy

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This gave me a good solid valve that won't spin around while trying to operate it with one hand.

Next was the assembly of my "faucet" system


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Marine foot-operated galley pump ($31)
https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B00S59ULW0

5/8" clear Vinyl tubing ($9) SKU 841804100349 https://www.homedepot.com/p/Everbilt-1-4-in-O-D-x-3-8-in-O-D-FIP-Lead-Free-Brass-Compression-Coupling-Fitting-800909


1/2" x 3/8" plastic barb adapter - ($2.35) SKU 88740002195
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Everbilt...Fitting-800219

Toro 1/2" NPT "Funny Pipe" (I had a bunch of these leftover from a sprinkler project) . Even though the description says "3/8" it fits inside the 1/2 ID vinyl pipe perfectly - test fit if you buy one of these.

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Toro-Fun...3270/100150875


Then I had this in a bucket of plumbing parts and lucked out that it was the "magic missing piece" that made everything work:




Hooked all together it looks like this:


This threads into the bottom valve, just like attaching a garden hose to a hose bib, except backwards:



Detail of the "faucet" portion with the 3/8" FIP to 1/4" compression fitting:



For testing, I'm just velro-ing to the carrier. My longer term plan is to shorten the copper tubing and then make an aluminum bracket for the copper tubing and either use magnets or a spring clamp (or quick fist) to attach to the tire carrier.




Here's a quick video of it in operation:

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Update on this thread. I think I have a pretty workable water solution now for camping out of the back of the Jeep.

Here's a quick video of it in operation:

https://youtu.be/Rn4jTN5zjwE
Great write up and innovative, thanks for sharing. Helps with ideas for some of us that have this setup.
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The next phase of development is to rig up a collapsible drain pan with drain hose that will hang below the faucet.


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For those looking to change spigots on a Wavian/Pro-Quip water can:

Threads for the bung are 3/4" BSP (British Standard Pipe) which has 14 threads/inch. BSP threads have a 55° angle and have rounded peaks and valleys (Whitworth thread form).

Most U.S. fittings are NPT (National Pipe Tapered). The 3/4" size also has 14 threads/inch, however NPT/NPS threads have a 60° angle and have flattened peaks and valleys (Sellers thread form).

U.S. garden hose fittings are 3/4" GHT (Garden Hose Thread) aka NH (National Hose) or NPSH, which have 11.5 threads/inch.

The difference in thread angle and shape between BSP and NPS is why trying to install a NPT fitting seems like it fits until the fitting hits the stop in the water can and the fitting pops out and why there isn't a good seal.

The best option would be to find an imported spigot with BSP thread, but these get expensive fast because the shipping charges on Ebay, etc. are often 3x the price of the part.

The second best option would be to use an NPT fitting and some silicone caulking to "glue" it in place and seal against water leakage with a substance that can be removed later if necessary unlike a true glue or epoxy.

I am heartened to learn that a standard 3/4" GHT fitting will work with some JB Epoxy but I suspect that it is the epoxy that is creating the fit and seal rather than the threads and that the same could be accomplished with a 3/4" NPT fitting and silicone.

I have acquired a 3/4" NPT nylon bottling spigot from a local home brew store to replace the "sticky" spigot supplied by Wavian/Pro-Quip and will let you know if my 3/4" NPT with silicone method really works. My thought is that the bottling spigot will work better than the supplied spigot because the lever is on top rather than at the end which tends to unscrew the supplied spigot when the lever is turned.

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I am heartened to learn that a standard 3/4" GHT fitting will work with some JB Epoxy but I suspect that it is the epoxy that is creating the fit and seal rather than the threads and that the same could be accomplished with a 3/4" NPT fitting and silicone.

Thanks for the run-down. I can confirm that the 3/4" GHT actually makes a water tight seal IF you put the rubber hose-end washer behind it. However, the threads are quite shallow and soft, so I would not trust it to stay water-tight during transport. Thus the JB-weld for holding everything in place. It was not necessary for a water-tight seal.

This is also a problem with the spigot that comes with the can - if you try to tighten it, it bottoms out and then just spins, even though ostensibly it has the correct BSP threads.

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