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Old 12-30-2019, 06:43 PM
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Question CB or ham Radio for camping and Jamborees?

I just got a Jeep and wanted to get advice on getting either a CB or ham radio. I'm leaning toward a ham radio for camping and long distance emergency communication, but it seems the Jamboree prefer CBs.

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Wow, that's a good question. Many groups require a CB to off-road with them as well as the jamboree. However, you are right, the HAM would be better as an emergency radio for the longer range. I suggest you check out this forum area and post your questions there, I think you'll get a better response.

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Welcome to the forum. Yes, good question that is asked often. Most organized events require a CB. Individual groups seem to be heading towards HAM. HAM is certainly preferred when way out. As you research you’ll see most folks that regularly do both types of activities have both CB and HAM.
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The only problem with using ham radio as apposed to CB or FRS/GMRS is that you have to write a technical exam in order to get your amateur operators license. And, once you have your license, you can only talk to other hams who have passed their exams. This precludes communicating with friends and family (unless they also have their license).

With CB/GMRS/FRS no operators license is required, (You need a station license for GMRS. But that's only a cash payment.. No exam.). You can talk to anyone using these modes.

Just to add.. Unless you're in range of a ham radio repeater, a VHF/UHF ham radio doesn't really have much of an advantage over CB radio distance wise. It's line-of-sight communications.

I have my ham license, but all our local clubs use CB channel 8 for group outings, so I had to buy a CB radio for that. So I guess the answer to your question is.. Get both
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Seriously, Both, and a decent FRS either mobile or handheld.
Each have pros and cons but you'll find Comms is VERY important and very handy.
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Great question, we carry 2 radios because different clubs communicate differently. The only radio that matters is the one that the ride is using.

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The group I ride with often uses both. The guys with ham can communicate from tail gunner to leader at all times during a drive. Last drive was 31 Jeeps. The CB's will not reach that range at all times like the ham radios do. I monitor both from my Midland 75-822 with 4' Firestick and SW of 1.3-1.4. My hand held cheap Baofeng ham radio receives and communicates from inside the cockpit with it's stubby antenna better than the CB. Not to say a perfectly tuned CB won't be clearer than a poorly set up ham though

An other car club I belong to uses the GMRS radios that work well line of site with their much shorter antennas.
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Can HAM radio communicate with CBs? vice versa??
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Can HAM radio communicate with CBs? vice versa??
Not legally, not saying its impossible but you don't want to go down that road.
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Not legally, not saying its impossible but you don't want to go down that road.
Ahhh...interesting. Can you 'monitor' CB traffic from your HAM and/or vice versa at least??
I just started studying for my HAM radio test. I think that's the solution for me.

Since there is so much info out here....good ideas/links for SMALL Ham radios? Not hand held, but small. I wana install it on a Vector Off Road dock, likely very close to the driver's side edge, so I can run power to SPOD and antenna to the front driver's side fender. I think THAT might be my cleanest/easiest option.

(Your CB link to that Uniden was exactly the size I'd love! so small...)
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Ahhh...interesting. Can you 'monitor' CB traffic from your HAM and/or vice versa at least??
I just started studying for my HAM radio test. I think that's the solution for me.

Since there is so much info out here....good ideas/links for SMALL Ham radios? Not hand held, but small. I wana install it on a Vector Off Road dock, likely very close to the driver's side edge, so I can run power to SPOD and antenna to the front driver's side fender. I think THAT might be my cleanest/easiest option.

(Your CB link to that Uniden was exactly the size I'd love! so small...)

Tons of remote head Hams just like my Uniden, thats where the design started.
And you'll find that the only limit in Ham is your pocket change.
You can literately do just about anything you want if you have the right level license and the right equipment.
Talk to a Space station or craft, yep, bounce a signal off the moon, yep, use satellites, yep.
There are several multi-band radios, listening to CB is easy, transmitting, you find out is a whole other ball of wax.

This is why there are tests and things you need to study, the equipment you will be able to use could have a major impact on several people that you'll never meet face to face, but its really cool to talk to them on the radio.


For a good source to compare specs and prices
https://www.hamradio.com/
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And you'll find that the only limit in Ham is your pocket change.

That's for sure! ... If you have really deep pockets, you can drop over $50 thousand bucks on the hobby
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And you'll find that the only limit in Ham is your pocket change.

That's for sure! ... If you have really deep pockets, you can drop over $50 thousand bucks on the hobby

That’s the easy part. Digging trenches for my house grounding system, feedline conduit, and ground radials was the hard part. Had to buy an electric jack hammer to drive a large number of 8 ft. ground rods into the earth (Arizona earth). After I finished I added it up to 1/4 mile of trenches dug. Although the exothermic welding was very fun.

It all started with a 2m/70cm radio for the Jeep. Now I have a 1.3KW HF rig at my house.
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Yea, the labor can be fun.. I dug a 4ft by 4ft hole 4 feet deep for my tower. Filled it with concrete then installed all the sections myself. After that I hauled my 50 pound 3 element HF beam that is 16 feet long and 36 feet wide up to the top and mounted it on the electric antenna rotator.

Ham radio can be a lot more than just talking
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Yea, the labor can be fun.. I dug a 4ft by 4ft hole 4 feet deep for my tower. Filled it with concrete then installed all the sections myself.

Ham radio can be a lot more than just talking

Haha, that’s the same size hole I dug. Had a mixer with a concrete pump come out and fill it up. The hole actually wasn’t as much work for me as the trenches and 20 or so ground rods. I bought a special tool (quite expensive) for pulling out jammed up partially driven rods. But, yeah, the whole install was quite an experience. I have a Hy-Tower multiband vertical that works quite well actually. I thought it would be a good way to get my feet wet and not be too obnoxious in my neighborhood.

Sorry OP, way off topic. But yes if you have a inquisitive mind and like to learn about new to you things, ham radio is an awesome hobby.
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Nope, the goal of the forum is to empty your bank account.
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Here's a good 'starter' ham radio.. --> https://www.hamradio.com/detail.cfm?pid=71-001916

We're getting WAY off topic..
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Here's a good 'starter' ham radio.. --> https://www.hamradio.com/detail.cfm?pid=71-001916

We're getting WAY off topic..
HAHA I totally bought it. I clicked looking for a good beginner radio. I balked at the size first, because I had not seen the price.

I AM looking for a SMALL (not hand held thou!) Ham that i can 'monitor' Cb traffic as well. Possible??
Studying for the test seems difficult. I know the test supposed to be only 35 easy questions and you only need 26, but still....for a newb, thats a LOT of technical tech jargon
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It seem like the answer is both! A CB for the Jamborees and a ham for emergency long range communication.

I'm thinking about s small CB for the Jeep mounted for "hands free" operation and a ham unit with a 2m/70cm with 50 watts in my Aliner for just chatting with hams in the evenings and for emergencies.

At least it's a start.
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My Dad has a 250ft loop out back, leaves the basement out with the chimney and then tree to tree to tree to tree, that was a fun time getting it all up there.
But he uses it to talk to Germany regularly so it comes in handy.
KB1DYZ if you ever hear from him, Rodney is his first name.

So yeah you what long range, your best bet is a plain wire antenna you simply throw into a tree, look up J-Poles, very easy to make once you learn antennas and very easy to pack and take anywhere.
A vehicle mount antenna is nice but don't expect it to be the end all be all for every situation.


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HAHA I totally bought it. I clicked looking for a good beginner radio. I balked at the size first, because I had not seen the price.

I AM looking for a SMALL (not hand held thou!) Ham that i can 'monitor' Cb traffic as well. Possible??
The Citizen's Band is in the high frequency (HF) range. These radios receive and transmit in the 11 meter band (26.95 to 27.405 mHz) and use amplitude modulation (AM). Some CB radios also have the ability to use single sideband modulation. (SSB).

The ham radios used for vehicle to vehicle communication that most people are familiar with use frequency modulation (FM) and are in the very high frequency (VHF) 2 meter ham band (144-148 mHz) or the Ultra high frequency (UHF) 70 cm ham band (432-440 mHz). There are dual band radios that cover both.

Because of the difference in frequency and the type of modulation used, the two radio systems can't mix.

Now.. There are ham radios that can cover the HF, VHF and UHF bands and can transmit and receive using FM, AM and SSB modulation. They can listen to, but won't transmit on the CB band. But these radios aren't cheap.

Here's an example: https://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/hamhf/3071.html

You can pick up a much lower priced VHF/UHF FM radio for ham use than the one I listed in my last post. They come from China and... well... You get what you pay for. Here is one -> https://www.ebay.com/p/832104262

These cheap Chinese radios will also work on the family radio service (FRS) and general mobile radio service (GMRS) bands. People do use them on these frequencies, but they are only legally allowed to be used on the ham bands. (That's why they sell them as ham radios and not FRS/GMRS radios).
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Fascinating. I've always been curious about this same question, so to find it on this forum is a bonus for me.
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Seriously, Both, and a decent FRS either mobile or handheld.
Each have pros and cons but you'll find Comms is VERY important and very handy.
From an absolute newb, I'm going this route. Cobra 75 all-in-one super small print/easy install for CB. This should set me up for club outings and overall running around.

Still deciding on HAM (that's right, I used all CAPS) but the more I see, the more I'm thinking I am going to invest a fair amount of cash, because I want some options, like APRS, scanning, and maybe tri-band, plus small print too. Dunno yet. Still studying for my license test, and I just linked up with some hams from my area. These old guys are hard core enthusiasts. Their car's rigs all been there for a decade, but it gives you great ideas of whats available now adays. Taking a trip to Milwaukee in 2 weeks to go to the show room of Ham Radio Outlet to touch-and-feel their radios and see what I come up with.

Some real good ppl here have posted great options so far...

But yeah, both radios going into Jeep.
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Fascinating. I've always been curious about this same question, so to find it on this forum is a bonus for me.
Exactly! That's why I wanna keep this thread alive. LOTS of guys here with LOTS of experience, formal education, and knowledge. It's a maze of info out there for newbs. This helps!
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Still studying for my license test, and I just linked up with some hams from my area. These old guys are hard core enthusiasts.

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