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Old 02-05-2019, 05:00 PM   #61
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Power wagon cost more around 60-70k fully loaded. Very nice truck. Couple Buddies have them. To be honest it's like a Jeep heart in a truck that can haul and tow pretty well.

Don't know about you but I think the new jt looks alot like the old hummer h3t.

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Ordered a raptor Monday . JT gonna be cool but not practical imo

Too bad , been a jeeper for 18 years . It really ticked me off the games they played introducing the JT. I kinda feel sorry for the salesman at Jeep stores. They literally are told nothing still which I think shows the impending cluster $#@& coming in the next few months including price gouging, limited stock , mechanical issues , knowledge etc..

Been in the car business for 25 years and Jeep screwed up. The sales people should have already been educated on this product . Spoken to 6 dealers who knew nothing . Literally I knew more than they did . Kinda sad


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Ordered a raptor Monday . JT gonna be cool but not practical imo

Too bad , been a jeeper for 18 years . It really ticked me off the games they played introducing the JT. I kinda feel sorry for the salesman at Jeep stores. They literally are told nothing still which I think shows the impending cluster $#@& coming in the next few months including price gouging, limited stock , mechanical issues , knowledge etc..

Been in the car business for 25 years and Jeep screwed up. The sales people should have already been educated on this product . Spoken to 6 dealers who knew nothing . Literally I knew more than they did . Kinda sad


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i agree jeep is screwing up. I keep fighting the urge to pull into the Ford dealership and see if they will order me in a bare bones Raptor, I am worried they might say yes.
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They will order you one but I'm not sure if you can still order an 18. If you look you can find an 18 without markup easily now since 19s are already out and alot of people are wanting them for the live dynamic fox shock upgrade. 19s cost more cuz of the new shock technology and some other minor seat and wheel differences.
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They will order you one but I'm not sure if you can still order an 18. If you look you can find an 18 without markup easily now since 19s are already out and alot of people are wanting them for the live dynamic fox shock upgrade. 19s cost more cuz of the new shock technology and some other minor seat and wheel differences.
All the ones on lots here are pretty much loaded which puts them out of my price range.
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Then you make a roadtrip for one. It is hard to find one bare bones but they exist. My buddy has bought 2 scabs with no options within a year. They exist just not as popular.

I do have to say that the render of the Baja raptor jt Rubicon did look good but we can only imagine if and when it would exist and at how much 😁. It just had something about it that is different from the actual production model.
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I see the Rubicon jt being 62-72k. They will put it in raptor range for profit margins. Then it comes down to what truck you would rather have. I wonder how many jt purchasers at that time decide to go another route. That puts it in a hard spot. Have to compete against cheaper and very capable zr2, very capable power wagon or a raptor. I'm ready to watch this unfold. It's gonna get interesting. It's also why I think they are holding out on pricing. Who does that?? 🤣
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I see the Rubicon jt being 62-72k. They will put it in raptor range for profit margins. Then it comes down to what truck you would rather have. I wonder how many jt purchasers at that time decide to go another route. That puts it in a hard spot. Have to compete against cheaper and very capable zr2, very capable power wagon or a raptor. I'm ready to watch this unfold. It's gonna get interesting. It's also why I think they are holding out on pricing. Who does that?? 🤣
If FCA thinks they can price a midsize truck against a full size, Raptor no less, then they are more out of touch than I could have imagined. I will be buying a Z72 Bison.
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I ordered leather and electronics package . Autotrader has many that arenít so loaded


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Ordered a raptor Monday . JT gonna be cool but not practical imo

Too bad , been a jeeper for 18 years . It really ticked me off the games they played introducing the JT. I kinda feel sorry for the salesman at Jeep stores. They literally are told nothing still which I think shows the impending cluster $#@& coming in the next few months including price gouging, limited stock , mechanical issues , knowledge etc..

Been in the car business for 25 years and Jeep screwed up. The sales people should have already been educated on this product . Spoken to 6 dealers who knew nothing . Literally I knew more than they did . Kinda sad


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Agreed. The way FCA has handled this JT “launch” so far shows all the signs of a company that already peaked and has few new ideas left.
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Per Quadratec, expect prices to be $3000 to $3500 above a comparable JL.

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That's more likely.
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In the mid-to-upper $30K's base that I can build to my needs, it seems like a good option to replace my Frontier. Once it gets above $40K, not so much. I am really curious about the towing rating. Having towed 6,000 lbs with both my previous Tacoma and my current Frontier, neither are very comfortable doing it, so over 7,000 lbs on roughly the same wheelbase and engine configuration seems suspect.
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I am sure the pricing will be high. Not as high as the April fools issue of JP mag suggests though. I say this because I am building four machines for the JT production right now, and they all are slated for 100,000 annual production. To achieve that goal they won't be able to price them as high as the Raptor. Raptor production seams to be a quarter of what the JT goals are. If they only sold 1/4 of their goals they would lose a ton of money. As a side note the machines are needed for production and are due for runoff in two weeks, so it's getting close. My opinion is pricing will be only slightly higher than JLU.
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Toyota TRD with options and a 6600 lb tow capacity is around $40 to $42k.
What is Jeep thinking if they really are going to be higher than the competition.
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Sometimes the max tow rating is only for bragging rights. Even though it can do it, most conservative people won't tow all the way to max for safety and comfort reasons.
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My guess is JT will be priced $3,000 above a comparable JLU.

That was the rule Jeep used to price JKU: $3,000 above a comparable JK. And it kept that distance throughout JK’s 12 model years, despite increasing prices every year.
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Even thinking that way a well equipped Rubicon will be around 62-65k. And that's without a diesel upcharge. So figure another 3-5k option and we got a truck in the 68-70k range. Alot of cars in that range. Zr2, power wagon, raptor, bmw, range Rover etc.
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Per Quadratec, expect prices to be $3000 to $3500 above a comparable JL.

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Sorry, didn’t see your post before posting my guesstimate.
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Even thinking that way a well equipped Rubicon will be around 62-65k. And that's without a diesel upcharge. So figure another 3-5k option and we got a truck in the 68-70k range. Alot of cars in that range. Zr2, power wagon, raptor, bmw, range Rover etc.
I doubt FCA will be able to sell 100,000 $60,000+ JTs when it has an amazing new Power Wagon with infinitely more capability and comfort for not a lot more money.

A well-equipped ZR2 is around $50,000, or the price of a mid-level JLUR.

Vehicles like JT typically sell very well in the first year or two. But once everyone waiting for it got one, they have a hard time sustaining sales afterwards.

The fact that FCA chose to build JT in a separate plant with its own ROI and break-even considerations adds risk. JT could turn into a money loser if volume doesn’t materialize. ZR2, Raptor and Power Wagon don’t have those concerns. GM builds ZR2 alongside Colorado and Canyon pickups, Ford builds Raptors on the same assembly line as other F-Series, and Ram builds Power Wagon alongside other HD trucks, giving them a lot more flexibility.

If it came to that, FCA would need to find a way to build JT alongside JL, or the temptation would be great to simply shut down the JT plant and give Power Wagon no internal competition.
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Cool post and appreciate the input . Letís hope what you suspect is true .

They need to train the sales people and Jeep stores across the world prior to releasing a product though .


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They need to train the sales people and Jeep stores across the world prior to releasing a product though .
Why start now? Pretty much every sales drone for anything short of pure luxury brands has no clue about anything they're selling.
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Well......they suckered you into a JKU. So, stands that maybe they are figuring that you will pay that for the new truck. Not much truck, as it does not come in a diesel version in the biggest market which is Kommifornicate, as well you could buy a TJLR back when they were in production for less than 30,000, Now the Jeep has grown to a bloated size, and needs to lose about 800 lbs ! IMO the last true Jeep was the TJ. Size, ability,price, customable, and sold like hot cakes.
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It's been noted several times now that this was their April issue. They do this every year.
This year has been particularly entertaining though.

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Why start now? Pretty much every sales drone for anything short of pure luxury brands has no clue about anything they're selling.


I beg to differ on that . Sales gm for 10 years at ford store and my sales people had better know there product or find a job elsewhere


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I went to my one and only Jeep dealer in town the other day to test drive a Grand Cherokee Trailhawk. I had set an appointment with a saleswoman named Jessica. When I show up they give me salesman Jay instead, their resident expert on technical questions. We discussed electronic limited slps, rock rails and 265 tires. Jessica then took me on the test drive.

When we get back, the owner walks over to introduce himself. He says "Jay tells that you know your stuff better than he does." I think he meant it as a compliment, although I am not sure when he does it at the expense of one of his own staff.

I don't mind if the salesperson doesn't know every detail on every product s/he sells. Of course there has to be a basic level of knowledge, like how many speeds in that transmission, or how many cylinders in that engine. But the part that really bugs me is when I catch them making stuff up.

When a customer asks a question, chances are it may be important to him. This gives the salesperson an opportunity to show that he cares enough to find out the answer and follow up. I much rather have them do that than take me for a fool, make up stuff and lose all credibility.

In my own business, when clients ask me a question I don't know the answer to, I tell them so, I write it down, find the answer, and follow up later. Half the time they really want to know the answer; half the time they already moved on. But every time they appreciate that I took their question seriously enough to look into it and follow up; I appreciate having been given one more --meaningful-- opportunity to interact with them.
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Nothing like a luxury dealership and how they treat their customers. Bought a raptor and even though they were knowledgeable, there was not much"training"for all the electronics and gizmos. Not that I cared But with my wife's Audi and even moreso with her new bmw, both cars costing less than my truck they go the extra mile. With the BMW they provide you a whole day of training with a expert from bmw that goes over all the tricks and electronics and sets the car up for you ( driver memory, Bluetooth, etc). To be honest it sets a different sale after the sale feeling and it keeps going until you buy your next car in my two cases. Domestic car dealers could learn a thing or two. Atleast when selling high end domestics if anything.
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Nothing like a luxury dealership and how they treat their customers. Bought a raptor and even though they were knowledgeable, there was not much"training"for all the electronics and gizmos. Not that I cared But with my wife's Audi and even moreso with her new bmw, both cars costing less than my truck they go the extra mile. With the BMW they provide you a whole day of training with a expert from bmw that goes over all the tricks and electronics and sets the car up for you ( driver memory, Bluetooth, etc). To be honest it sets a different sale after the sale feeling and it keeps going until you buy your next car in my two cases. Domestic car dealers could learn a thing or two. Atleast when selling high end domestics if anything.
Apparently Cadillac dealerships know how to pamper customers, too.

Which begs the question, why can't the rest of the lot do it?

A Ram pickup now costs as much as a Cadillac, yet you get the same bazaar experience as if you were buying a Dodge Dart.

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