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Old 04-06-2019, 09:47 PM
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Launch sold out

It looks like all 4190 of the Launches are spoken for.

https://www.foxnews.com/auto/special...d-out-in-1-day

I am assuming there are dealer orders in there so there may be a few available when they finally ship.

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Not surprising. Jeep could have priced them $20K more and they still would have sold out. It amazes me how much money people are willing to spend on a Jeep. I curious if they will be driven much, kept stock, or modded like crazy.

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I wonder how many are being purchased to be put in storage in anticipation of them being worth a fortune in 20 years.
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Sarcasm? No, there are people out there that think buying a “rare” or limited run vehicle is a good investment. I’m not one of them.
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Sarcasm? No, there are people out there that think buying a ďrareĒ or limited run vehicle is a good investment. Iím not one of them.
Lots of people do just that, had a friend that bought a Grand National then stuck it on blocks in a storage shed with 10 miles on it.
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The thing is, a Dodge Demon might be “rare”, a Launch Edition simply showcases a bunch of options and features that FCA plans to offer on regular Gladiators within a few months.

Jay Leno complains on one of his Garage videos that the new Hellcats put out a lot more power and cost thousands less than what he paid for one of the first ones.
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I looked at the Launch edition, wasn't offered in the colour I wanted....passed....saw price tag and I for everything else I will wait....
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Sarcasm? No, there are people out there that think buying a ďrareĒ or limited run vehicle is a good investment. Iím not one of them.
Problem is the "Launch Ediiton" doesn't have a unique VIN sequence, and FCA didn't even spend the extra fifty cents to have the badges serialized. All the badges simply state "One of 4,190"
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I didn’t realize the badges were not sequential.
That is a fail on Jeeps part in my eyes.
Are they truly only making 4190? Only Jeep knows the true answer to that.
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And a couple dozen Launch Editions will be set aside for PR, media events and press vehicles.
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And a couple dozen Launch Editions will be set aside for PR, media events and press vehicles.
I saw no mention of Jeep having restrictions on this being customer order only. I wonder how many of these were dealer orders for inventory?
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Is it me or is every post negative in here about the JT?

If you donít like it because of its doors or price then why are you reading a forum about the JT?

Iíve owned 6 jeeps in my life . And nothing has been more fun to own.

But heck if I want to find something interesting I have to weed through all these bs posts whining about price or doors or Jeep poor quality , how great the canyon is blah blah




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Complaining about the Jeep is easy because there is so much material to work with. Other vehicles Iíve owned, not so much. I seem to have one of the good ones and plan to keep it for as long as I can get parts. Too bad it takes 1 year to get a replacement manual transmission. Oh sh*t, there I go complaining again.
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Not every post is negative. I have owned quite a few Jeeps over the years and none of them have ever had an issue that couldn’t be resolved. I will order a JT if ever comes out in a HD version. Imagine a 3/4 ton gladiator.
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Is it me or is every post negative in here about the JT?

If you donít like it because of its doors or price then why are you reading a forum about the JT?

Iíve owned 6 jeeps in my life . And nothing has been more fun to own.

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This is one of the worst forums I've been on in that regard. It's almost like a bunch of Toyota fan boys come here to sock puppet. It's not just whining about the price or number of doors. It's full of people making idiotic comments about what a "real Jeep" is, top choices, number of doors, transmission choices, mall crawlers, soccer moms... I've never seen a group more eager to shit on each other than the Jeep owners here.

It's a good reminder to spend more time out on the trails and less time behind a keyboard so you don't get sucked too far in.
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I wonder how many are being purchased to be put in storage in anticipation of them being worth a fortune in 20 years.


Could dealers have bought some of these to put on the showroom floor with an outrageous price?


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Problem is the "Launch Ediiton" doesn't have a unique VIN sequence, and FCA didn't even spend the extra fifty cents to have the badges serialized. All the badges simply state "One of 4,190"


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Yep, then they added a 0 because they wanted to sell more than just 419.

All Gladiators get 419 in the driver side bed
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This is one of the worst forums I've been on in that regard. It's almost like a bunch of Toyota fan boys come here to sock puppet. It's not just whining about the price or number of doors. It's full of people making idiotic comments about what a "real Jeep" is, top choices, number of doors, transmission choices, mall crawlers, soccer moms... I've never seen a group more eager to shit on each other than the Jeep owners here.

It's a good reminder to spend more time out on the trails and less time behind a keyboard so you don't get sucked too far in.
Jeep "purists" have been like this since the beginning.

When the CJ3B came out with the higher hood to clear the overhead valve engine, everyone bitched about not being able to see over the hood.

When the CJ5 came out, going from flat fenders to round was the end of Jeep.

When the CJ6 came out, I'm sure someone complained about the long wheelbase.

When the CJ7 came out, the doors were the wrong shape and it was now too huge to fit on trails. Forget about how wide track axles were going to ruin everything.

The CJ8 was, like the 6, way too long.

When the YJ Wrangler came out, the wider spring perches, wide axles, and more car like interior was the end of Jeep. And, by the way they reacted to them, you'd think that Jeep had killed everyone's first born by putting in rectangular headlights. Of course, they added fuel injection a few years into it and now no one was going to ever be able to work on a Jeep without a dealer ever.

The TJ came out and people couldn't bitch about the headlights any more. The interior was more car like but people had bigger fish to fry. What really was going to spell the end of Jeep was the switch over to coil suspension. The outcry over that was epic.

The LJ came out towards the end of the TJ era and a bunch of people didn't like how long it was but that was a fairly muted outcry compared to everything else.

But then the JK came out. Plastic grills! Even more car like! Raked windshield! Plastic fenders! And OMFG you got rid of the straight 6 for a V6!!! (Never mind that the CJ5 had a V6 for years in the 60's before AMC bought out Kaiser-Jeep). Granted, there are legitimate issues with the 3.8 but the reaction was way overblown.

I stopped paying attention to the complaints about the JL because it's nothing but people bitching because the new Jeep isn't 100% exactly like the old Jeep. And it costs more. It doesn't matter what changes, to those people any change is bad and they will go out of their way to make up an objection to anything new, and they will latch on to the most absurd little nit and blow it up into some huge catastrophe.

Sure, each new generation is different. And there are several examples of things that have changed which weren't done as well as they should have been. They've even phased out a few changes and reverted to the old way of doing things here and there because the new change didn't actually work out.

But such is the nature of the internet. People are going to bitch about change. It has always been that way. It will always be that way.

And the JT is just another in a long line of new things that people love to bitch about. They have an idea in their head about what they want it to be and since it's not 100% exactly like they want it to be, they're going to bitch.

It makes no difference that those people wouldn't buy one even if it was 100% exactly like they want. It doesn't matter that the people who are willing to fork over the money are the target market that Jeep is selling to. People are going to bitch because telling the world how unhappy they are is the only thing that makes them happy.
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I'll find out about the Launch Edition status... I signed up and got a couple calls and an email on Thursday from an internet sales manager. I only do business with the Fleet Director.. and just got an email from him so he'll tell me the straight scoop on availability.

This special ordering process was supposed to go to customers first - then dealer orders.

This is similar to how they handled the 10A.

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I wonder how many are being purchased to be put in storage in anticipation of them being worth a fortune in 20 years.

Like all those who did exactly that with the 2013 10A Rubicons, assuming all the features of the 10A will never ever been seen again on a factory Rubicon.


Like the steel factory bumpers, the EVIC, red tow hooks, two rear tow hooks, and so on.
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Like all those who did exactly that with the 2013 10A Rubicons, assuming all the features of the 10A will never ever been seen again on a factory Rubicon.

Like the steel factory bumpers, the EVIC, red tow hooks, two rear tow hooks, and so on.
Correct.. except one thing Walt. The 10A retains its own unique badge and seats. You won't see the word Wrangler on any part of a 10A, with exception to the window sticker.

And good luck finding 10A seat covers... not going to happen.

But all these other bogus "special edition" runs e.g. Red Rock, etc. are simply optioned with early indicators what's potentially coming down the pipeline that may or may not materialize as options on other models.

The Red Rock is a "Hard Rock" with Mopar options... as there is NO official model identified as a Red Rock on the books... seats, badges, stickers, etc. are not available over the parts counter which can be a problem.

As a result, a Red Rock carries the same resale value as a Hard Rock...

The 10A stands on its own...

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Indeed. Every now and then Jeep gets it totally right, like LJ.

The defining factor will be how much markup dealers tag onto those Launch Editions, and if it is still worth it at those prices.

Speaking for myself only: it’s not that I don’t like JL because “it’s new.” I test drove JL TWICE; I really wanted to like it. But when I look at the areas where it improved, at the areas it went backwards, at the quality of the product, at the dealer treatment, and the price, to me it just doesn’t add up. And judging by the number of JLs sitting unsold, apparently it doesn’t add up for lot of other people either.

Now FCA wants me to drink the Gladiator Kool-Aid? Please, go right ahead...
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As a result, a Red Rock carries the same resale value as a Hard Rock...

The 10A stands on its own...

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How much of a premium over a comparably equipped non-10th is the 10A going for?
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How much of a premium over a comparably equipped non-10th is the 10A going for?
Not sure now, I haven't been following the re-sales. A few years ago they were holding pretty good value over the norm due to the red seats.


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As far as people complaining, I've owned Jeeps since 1995 and have had quite a few. I now have a Hard Rock Rubicon that I Love but I have put my time and money on the line for decades. I, and anyone else that wants to, can revere or complain about whatever the hell we/they want.

What I have found is that Jeepers are actually the most supportive and helpful owners to each other of any other vehicle brand I have ever had (I have owned many vehicles that weren't Jeeps too).

All of that said.......as long as you don't have one of those fuggin' atrocious angry bird eyelash grill things - all is well
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I don't know what message boards you guys are visiting but every message board has complaints about their products. Over on the Raptor message boards their complaints range from which is better Gen1 or Gen2. Which motor is better the 6.2L V8 or the twin turbo 3.5L V6. You have guys arguing about which sounds better. All of this should sound familiar? It should.

I, for one have no problem with people posting problems or even complaining about a product. As a potential customer of said products those complaints as you guys put it, give me the potential buyer some insight into problems people have experienced with said product. One of the first things I do when I plan on buying a product is read the negative reviews. I want to hear from actual customers, and see if it is product related or maybe something else like delivery related. I also read positive ones also, but I am betting I am not the only one who does this.

Some vague complaint about "Jeep being junk" are ignored. However the weld issue, yes, I want to know about that, or any other issues buyers are experiencing, just in case I bought a new JL. Sort of a heads up, and with issues some find solutions to those problems, like how to fix leaks, etc. I keep checking these boards to see how the new turbo is doing. I really liked that motor BTW when I test drove a new JLU. And yes I want to hear the good with the bad. Not sure why some take it personally when someone makes an observation/complains.

For the record I didn't go with a Raptor this time because I had any issues with the new JL, because I didn't. Just thought it was time for a change was all.

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@Gen5Glock21 ...

I haven’t had very many problems with my 2013 10A, but like with any manufacturer you do expect quality to get better over time with a stable product line like the JK — as they’ve essentially been building the same vehicle for decades. What I’ve read about Jeep, they are fairly new to deploying world class manufacturing programs...

And if you look at the automotive quality leaders who embraced world class manufacturing several decades ago, you’ll see who has advanced to top of the list — Jeep sitting on the lower rungs of quality. Depending on your perspective and when you entered the Jeep ownership experience, people compare against their prior experiences.

Perhaps unions have something to do with this, because if you look at the USA built foreign products, they have overall better product quality...

Which tells me the problems lie within the Jeep culture.

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