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Old 06-17-2019, 09:31 AM   #31
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How long does it take to take the doors and roof off the Tundra's and Silverado's when you want to enjoy a nice ride in the sunshine? Do you use a sawzall or just a cutting torch?
Takes me less then1 minute to grab the keys to my Jeep and turn it on....

I get the gladiator has appeal, I am just saying I also think its overpriced for a toy, and unable to compete performance wise with trucks. But they are awesome and some will sell, it just doesnt fit my needs at the moment.

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The competition has very nice well proven trucks and for much less money.

I see that JT has some unique options, like the removable top, but I don't think that will matter that much to the average buyer, who is shopping for a 4-door utility truck.

I think if anyone, people who are going to be drawn to the JT are diehard Jeep owners with a large disposable budget, who would not consider anything else in their fleet of Jeeps.

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I think they are overpriced and overhyped at this point....
This.

With both the JL and JT, Jeep has found the tipping point on pricing, most specifically the Porsche-like option gouging. The auto industry press is already noting them sitting on lots longer than what was normal, not to mention incentives.

Instead of looking for a new pickup for a new DD, I'm pondering keeping my JK until it dies and finding a nice old truck in the Southwest.....
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This.

With both the JL and JT, Jeep has found the tipping point on pricing, most specifically the Porsche-like option gouging. The auto industry press is already noting them sitting on lots longer than what was normal, not to mention incentives.

Instead of looking for a new pickup for a new DD, I'm pondering keeping my JK until it dies and finding a nice old truck in the Southwest.....
Keep an eye out on Bring a Trailer. Some are from original owners with low miles.

Red Skelton owned this... sold for $38K.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/19...et-suburban-3/

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I ordered mine custom and am now waiting for delivery. I paid $200 above invoice (not MSRP) for the Rubicon model with select accessories by using the FCA dealer code guide that another user posted in the forum about six weeks ago to negotiate with multiple dealers until I got it down to a reasonable number. DO NOT pay MSRP or higher... you can work them down by showing that you’re as informed, if not more, than they are.
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I've seen a few running around on the road and some on the dealers lot here in Virginia. I think the price is making people think twice about them. Dealers don't want to deal much on them right now. Personally, I was excited about them as I always loved the Willys pickups but after I took a hard look at the JT I decided I didn't like the way they look from the rear very well. I'm going to wait until they have been around for a while and the aftermarket catches up with them. I might change my mind about them, but would buy used the first time.
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Jl or JT are just death traps.
One star safety rating, you will be severely injured, as well as your kids in the back
Jeep Cherokee gets 5 stars
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a2...ap-crash-test/

https://www.carcomplaints.com/Jeep/C...e/2019/safety/
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Living in western Arizona with a Chrysler proving grounds fairly near by and every 10th vehicle on the road is a Jeep. Before the release we saw the Gladiators running around all the time for the past 2 years both disguised and not. The Chrysler dealers in the area have and are selling tons of JLs but, I haven't seen one JT on the road since the release. Lots on FB and Instagram but none in the average Joe's hands.
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Saw my first in Mesa, AZ. There is a 5K mark up around here. Some are marking up 10K. I like the concept and have sat in them. Don't like the market mark up.
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Jl or JT are just death traps.
One star safety rating, you will be severely injured, as well as your kids in the back
Jeep Cherokee gets 5 stars
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a2...ap-crash-test/

https://www.carcomplaints.com/Jeep/C...e/2019/safety/


Wranglers(and now JT's) have and always will get bad crash ratings. Safety isn't a top priority for most people that buy a convertible.
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Over priced ugly Fiat junk. Yes I have a JK. This is my truck. It will out ride, out tow, out run and is so much better looking then any of the Jeep trucks. Factory 60ies front and rear. Factory lockers front and rear. Over 12 inches of travel front and rear. 600 HP V8 not know to tick. Factory 35 rubber front and rear lol 😂. Just 10K miles. First 60K can drive it home!
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Another 12K and the V Rod Destroyer goes with it. Fastest factory Harley ever made. Sub 9 second quarters. It is not street legal.
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I just had a conversation with a saleslady in Texas about the gladiator and letting her I will not pay above MSRP and she wants me to come in and test drive one and I'm like "no thanks" It's just a JL I've already driven a JL. It's ridiculous how they are price gouging the hell out of them here in Texas I know it's your guys money but your just making it worse for everyone else by accepting these outrageous prices a regular sport JT going for 45,000?? really RIDICULOUS!

Maybe you should read the specs on the JT. The only part of the JT that is the same as the JL is from the rear of the front door forward and then only in sheet metal and engine and transmission. The frame is totally different and it compares favorably against the other mid size pickups and more than meets most in the towing capacity. If it was just a JL with a small PU bed attached behind the rear seat, it would have been called a Scrambler. It also has more leg room in the rear seat.

Here are a couple of independent reviews:
The first - TFL driving the JLU Rubicon and JT Rubicon at Moab, discussing the differences.


The second - TFL driving the JT up the grade to the Eisenhower Tunnel, a grade they use for testing the towing of vehicles.
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Jl or JT are just death traps.
One star safety rating, you will be severely injured, as well as your kids in the back
Jeep Cherokee gets 5 stars
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a2...ap-crash-test/

https://www.carcomplaints.com/Jeep/C...e/2019/safety/
I read through the European test but didn't see "death Trap" test results. Saw this however;

Although the Wrangler earned a top score in the side barrier test and was rated Good for whiplash protection, it did not do well in the frontal crash tests. (read it did not crumple enough) In its comments, Euro NCAP indicated that the Wrangler provided only marginal protection for the chest, body area, and neck for the driver and/or adult passenger, while offering better protection of the knees and femurs. The results for protection of a 10-year-old dummy in a car seat were mixed, and there were issues with the ease of installation of various child seats in different seating positions. Pedestrian-impact scores also dragged down the Jeep's overall rating, as did the lack of lane-keeping assist and automated emergency braking. (Note that the latter will be available in Europe-market Wranglers starting in early 2019 and is available now in North American–market cars.) Pedestrian-impact scores also dragged down the Jeep's overall rating, as did the lack of lane-keeping assist and automated emergency braking.
I feel it would need to be compared to other American pick up truck ratings by the Truck hating Euro rating system to get a good feel for the article.

Also read in the same article the following;

U.S. crash-test results, which are performed by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) or the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), have not yet been released. Surely, Jeep has to be hoping for better results when they are. The outgoing model, the JK Wrangler, got three-star (driver's side) and two-star (passenger's side) ratings in NHTSA's frontal crash tests.
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In a statement, FCA spokesman Eric Mayne said that the new Jeep Wrangler "meets or exceeds federal safety requirements in every market in which it is sold. Further, the Jeep Wrangler is engineered to deliver superior performance and unique driving experiences under the most demanding conditions. Testing protocols that apply exclusively to urban scenarios may not align with such a vehicle."
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We just got back from a 15 day, 3,200 mile trip with our Wrangler in tow. We covered Colorado, Utah, Nevada and California, including three nights in Moab. I saw a single JT on the road in all that time. I’ve only seen one in Denver roaming around. I expected to see many around by now.
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I was in the market for a new DD. Thought a truck would be a good idea. For this vehicle I needed a three year lease*.Looked at the JT and discovered that the dealers seem to be doubling the monthly lease prices from what FCA originally advertised.

Ended up leasing an F150 Platinum with all the goodies, including massaging seats, for $100 less per month than a lease on a comparably priced JT Rubicon.

Can't take the top off the truck, but I still have my JKUWW for that.

For me, the price of the JT is not realistic. In a year or so when the irrational exuberance is over, I will take another look.

*(I paid cash for my last six new vehicles. Needed to lease one for business reasons this time. Don't want to de-rail this thread for a lease vs buy)
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One of the issues on the lease may be the uncertainty surrounding the residual. If you enter into a three year lease, the leasing company has a track record for the JL/JLU based on the JK/JKU. The JL may be a brand new vehicle, but it is an update of a previous existing one. The same thing for the F-150, it has an extensive track record on the depreciating value. Not so the Gladiator. There is no previous history on it.

Dealers don't fund the lease, some leasing company does. FCA as a corporation may offer leases tied to a contract with a leasing company, and the dealer has the option of going through them or another company. Many time also the advertised lease payment is calculated on a base model with only the most common options (like the automatic transmission) so if you jump the the Overland or Rubicon models the lease rate is also going to jump.

Dealers generally have an incentive to use the corporate leasing company as that contract many times gives the manufacturer the option of special promotions, such as a special lease rate to move a particular vehicle. I encountered that in Toledo in '89 when I was looking at Cherokees. The dealer did not have one that appealed to me, and the salesman pointed me to a "new" Wagoneer (based on the XJ) that had less than 100 miles on it, and I jumped at it. We did the application and did not hear from them for several days. I called and asked about the status, thinking that for some weird reason I was turned down. He said he was about to call me, I was approved, they they were not. The special rate was only on new vehicles on the lot. The Wagoneer had been a lottery prize and the winner didn't need another vehicle so he sold it to the dealership. Since it had been titled, legally it was a used vehicle and the lease discount rate was more than twice the promotional rate. They offered me any vehicle on their lot for the same rate. They had just gotten in a new XJ Laredo loaded from the factory (short haul) I bought it out at the end of the lease and put almost 100,000 miles on it before trading it in on a YJ.
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Jl or JT are just death traps.
One star safety rating, you will be severely injured, as well as your kids in the back
Jeep Cherokee gets 5 stars
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a2...ap-crash-test/

https://www.carcomplaints.com/Jeep/C...e/2019/safety/
That's quite a statement, considering that the U.S. has not even safety tested either vehicle yet and it's impossible to know whether your statement could be true.

I have seen plenty of highway crashes first-hand, including roll-overs, where the occupants of the Jeep have survived and many times walk away. FCA vehicles are built very rugged.

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Over priced ugly Fiat junk. Yes I have a JK. This is my truck. It will out ride, out tow, out run and is so much better looking then any of the Jeep trucks. Factory 60ies front and rear. Factory lockers front and rear. Over 12 inches of travel front and rear. 600 HP V8 not know to tick. Factory 35 rubber front and rear lol 😂. Just 10K miles. First 60K can drive it home!
That's hilarious coming from the owner of the ugliest production truck ever made. The Raptor is low, squatty, fat, and has the same decals that Hot Wheels toys had in 1977. The proportions on those trucks have always been way off. Factory 60s? You mean IFS that's prone to break when used hard? Hey, what's the payload capacity on that truck? Less than a Gladiator Sport with the Max Towing package probably. I'll give you this much...it's probably faster than a Gladiator; faster to stop at a gas station.
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It’s mind blowing we still talk about safety ratings like they matter. I have a 78 Bronco that wouldn’t pass any of today’s standards, and I’d still feel safer in that tank of steel than anything produced today. No one is buying a Jeep for safety ratings. You’re buying it because it’s the coolest and most fun vehicle made. 😁 - Sam
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Not a JT, but it is in the driveway as of today. This 2019 Platinum was a little less than a JT Rubicon. Comparing apples to oranges maybe but this is one sweet ride, even parks itself. I won't mention the massaging seats. That is a little over the top
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Jl or JT are just death traps.
One star safety rating, you will be severely injured, as well as your kids in the back
Jeep Cherokee gets 5 stars
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a2...ap-crash-test/

https://www.carcomplaints.com/Jeep/C...e/2019/safety/
That's quite a statement, considering that the U.S. has not even safety tested either vehicle yet and it's impossible to know whether your statement could be true.

I have seen plenty of highway crashes first-hand, including roll-overs, where the occupants of the Jeep have survived and many times walk away. FCA vehicles are built very rugged.

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Over priced ugly Fiat junk. Yes I have a JK. This is my truck. It will out ride, out tow, out run and is so much better looking then any of the Jeep trucks. Factory 60ies front and rear. Factory lockers front and rear. Over 12 inches of travel front and rear. 600 HP V8 not know to tick. Factory 35 rubber front and rear lol 😂. Just 10K miles. First 60K can drive it home!
That's hilarious coming from the owner of the ugliest production truck ever made. The Raptor is low, squatty, fat, and has the same decals that Hot Wheels toys had in 1977. The proportions on those trucks have always been way off. Factory 60s? You mean IFS that's prone to break when used hard? Hey, what's the payload capacity on that truck? Less than a Gladiator Sport with the Max Towing package probably. I'll give you this much...it's probably faster than a Gladiator; faster to stop at a gas station. [IMG class=inlineimg]https://www.wranglerforum.com/../images/smilies/rofl.gif[/IMG]
Each truck serves a purpose obviously. You may be one of the very few that think a raptor is the ugliest truck ever made. I've heard that comment about the gladiator more times than I can count and that's from the Jeep crowd. Imagine what the non Jeep crowd is saying 🤣. It's funny you choose a base sport s with Max tow for payload. So most f150s have a payload between 2k and 3500. A raptors payload is 1500 due to suspension just like the Rubicon payload is lower at 1160 and your base s with Max tow is 1535. Raptors epa mpg is 15/18 and gladiators 17/22. For having more than 1.5x more hp and 2x more torque in a raptor over a gladiator I'm sure you are happy with the 285/260. Also when it comes to max towing you can't beat torque and we've all seen the glowing reviews of max towing with the gladiator and how it struggles. Max tow is 500- 1k in favor of the raptor and it can easily tow it without white knuckles. Also note that most f150s max tow is 11-13k. Gas pump fill ups will typically be done sooner with a gladiator since it has a smaller 22 gallon tank and most raptors have a 36 gallon tank. Another not so valid point. Just wanted to list some facts for reading purposes. The jt will stomp on rocks like the raptor will kill it in the dunes. The comparison is between two different size trucks with different purposes. The internet is always fun when you get loyal fans turning blue trying to prove a point but atleast facts should be used. People typically buy what serves their purpose even if it isn't the best choice.
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Not a JT, but it is in the driveway as of today. This 2019 Platinum was a little less than a JT Rubicon. Comparing apples to oranges maybe but this is one sweet ride, even parks itself. I won't mention the massaging seats. That is a little over the top
Thats a beautiful rig you got there. We were all in on a Gladiator, until they came to our dealer. Way to expensive for what you get. They have a Sport S on the lot for 50K. I'm not willing to spend anywhere near that on this thing. I priced out a new Chevy 1500 with the trail boss package, with the 5.3 V8 and it was 43K. Not that I'm gonna get the Chevy, just looking at my options for a pickup. I also saw Koons in VA had a brandy new 1500 extra cab with a Hemi for 28K.

Probably gonna get a pickup of some sort soon and then a JLUR in a few years. We're still loving our 2010 JKUR.
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Jl or JT are just death traps.
One star safety rating, you will be severely injured, as well as your kids in the back
Jeep Cherokee gets 5 stars
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a2...ap-crash-test/

https://www.carcomplaints.com/Jeep/C...e/2019/safety/
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For what it's worth, Gladiators are still selling extremely fast in my area. The first shipments literally sold as they were getting them off the delivery trucks. The second wave seemed to sit on the lots for about 5-7 days but are all gone. They are selling MUCH faster than any competitors' trucks.
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How long does it take to take the doors and roof off the Tundra's and Silverado's when you want to enjoy a nice ride in the sunshine? Do you use a sawzall or just a cutting torch?
Well I mean between the door windows, sunroof, and entire back windshield glass being able to go down, probably takes about 20 seconds to enjoy the sunshine in a Tundra.
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Thats a beautiful rig you got there. We were all in on a Gladiator, until they came to our dealer. Way to expensive for what you get. They have a Sport S on the lot for 50K. I'm not willing to spend anywhere near that on this thing. I priced out a new Chevy 1500 with the trail boss package, with the 5.3 V8 and it was 43K. Not that I'm gonna get the Chevy, just looking at my options for a pickup. I also saw Koons in VA had a brandy new 1500 extra cab with a Hemi for 28K.

Probably gonna get a pickup of some sort soon and then a JLUR in a few years. We're still loving our 2010 JKUR.
Agree 100%.

I’ve posted this before. I have a 2002 Chevrolet Express 3500 LWB Cargo Van with a 8.1L big block that only has 25K miles... I use it for hauling, towing, Home Depot runs, etc. The cargo area was upfitted by Commercial Van Interiors and has eTrack rails.

I’ve owned two pickups during my lifetime. My van, by far, is the most useful hauler I’ve owned. It’s not great looking. But I can load it with my KTM, building materials, gas, tools, etc... lock all the doors and leave it in a parking lot without concern.

I’m thinking about buying a new one... you can get one fully loaded for less than $38K.

The GCWR is 16,000 lbs.

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Did not know they still made those work vans. Though they all went the way of the Sprinter type box
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In my area... British Columbia / Alberta... the JT's are not moving very fast. Price is an issue up here, with optioned Rubi's hitting $70k (Sport S's for $55k)... Dealers I think were too optimistic that there would be a rush, so all these MSRP Gladiators are sitting.

The other issue is most Jeep dealers here are also Dodge dealers... and right beside the Sport S I looked at for $55k was a loaded RAM for $45k... and that was the window price. Throw in some 0% interest and it's hard to see the value in the little truck.

Yes... I know the JT is 'special'. I get it... I have a JKU... but honestly if I had $70k to throw at a truck I'd be riding in a Raptor... Because when I've driven one I am abundantly aware that the vehicle I am in is wayyyy different than a plain F150 and it feels amazing.

When I drove the JT... it was a whole lot of 'meh'. It would have been amazing 25 years ago... for a rehash of the JK/JL... obviously this is the result. I get it... but Jeep needs to up their game and build better...

Even for the 'S'... I just can't see me $55k into that truck, plus another $5-7 to get it looking 'right'. The Rubi is 95% of the way there... but $70k??? $70k!!!

I'll be rocking out my JKU for many more years I think...
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Old 06-26-2019, 11:14 PM   #60
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I have to add... the Rangers have just started showing up and are sitting as well. But, the Canyon/Colarado is very, very popular around here. I'm not a GM guy... but some of them look alright.

Tacoma's are almost as common as JK's around here... both very popular.

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