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Old 12-15-2018, 11:51 PM
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Realistic towing expectations

I read that ~7500lbs is the tow rating (trailer weight). I currently have 4.56 gears and "35"'s (really 34's). I don't think there is any way my jeep could drag that much weight around (forget the weight rating I'm just talking about engine power). Is there something I'm missing here or do they plan to have you tow at 3500-4000rpm?

I really want the truck but I'd like for it to realistically be able to tow (then I could get rid of my 3rd vehicle which is an older truck).

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What is your older truck? In the 80's and 90's we were towing that much with fewer gears, less HP, and not much more torque than the 3.6 puts out. Go with the diesel and you're beating an old 1500 (and some 2500') by every metric. Plus we have improved everything else around the engine like stiffer frames and much better brakes.

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OP, it will not tow at those RPMs, with the 8 speed auto and the turbo eco diesel platform. The max load will have the ability to tow at the 7500lbs. Towing characteristics will be very similar to the dodge ram eco diesel, So I suggest you research the forums and you tube for videos from the dodge 1500 eco diesel owners.

If it is rated to tow the 7500lbs, with the eco diesel and 8 speed auto, then it will do that.
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OP, it will not tow at those RPMs, with the 8 speed auto and the turbo eco diesel platform. The max load will have the ability to tow at the 7500lbs. Towing characteristics will be very similar to the dodge ram eco diesel, So I suggest you research the forums and you tube for videos from the dodge 1500 eco diesel owners.

If it is rated to tow the 7500lbs, with the eco diesel and 8 speed auto, then it will do that.
I am concerned with the gas 3.6 pentastar (that's what's in my Jeep now)..I know the diesel will work fine but just don't want the diesel (got burned on a post emissions diesel and I just don't see the value..just personal opinion).

The 3.6 in my Jeep has plenty of HP but just doesn't have the torque down low..it downshifts now on the freeway with a slight incline (not towing anything and this is with 4.56 gears).

I have been reading online about this powertrain and how it's in the Ram 1500's now (3.6 and 8 speed) and it sounds like when towing it is running at high rpms to maintain speed (not that that's necessarily bad it just is what it is). Most with the 1500 say get the hemi if you're going to tow (but that's not a choice with the gladiator).

I really want to be able to put a 7000lb travel trailer behind the gladiator and be able to tow comfortably with it...I think we'll just have to wait and see what the early adopters have to say.
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Doesn’t make sense to me either, but I know they also rate it at 6,200 lbs capacity in the Durango with the 3.6 (and ZF 8 speed)

I would not feel comfortable pulling over 5k with the Pentastar. It’s power only feels adequate with no load on it.

Sure the 3.6 peak ratings are similar to a V8 from the 2000’s, but it cannot compete with the torque and low end grunt of a V8
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Tow ratings are largely based on how well the vehicle can control and stop the trailer. A long wheelbase gives you a big advantage in sway control and keeps down the "tail wagging the dog" effect. Brakes too are a big factor. Being able to stop the trailer in a reasonable distance is important. And I bet the JT will have some pretty good brakes.

Engine power does come into play as well, but it's only part of the equation. The certification tests that all manufacturers use involve starting on an uphill grade as well as timed runs up long grades (if I remember correctly).

While the 3.6 won't win any races moving a JT with a 7,600 pound trailer it should make it up the hill. Eventually.
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Well, if we thought the 3.6 was iffy....

The new Ranger's 2.0 4-cylinder is also rated to 7,500 lbs lol
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As mentioned, it won't be winning any races, but the Pentastar is up to the task. Standard gears should be 3.73:1 on everything but the Rubicon. The diesel will have an easier time of towing, while getting better fuel mileage at the same time.

The wheelbase will be long enough to tow a good load without worry.
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I was a little surprised by the tow ratings because I figured it would be similar to the wk2 which the v6 can only haul 6200 while the Hemi is around 7400

I currently have an 07 wk Hemi and really thinking about trading in for a gladiator. I tow my Lj a few times a year with it normally a uhaul trailer.

I’m also questioning how well the v6 is going to handle that weight..

Also waiting on the pricing up here in Canada.. If I don’t get a Gladiator getting a Power Wagon or Rebel.
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I was a little surprised by the tow ratings because I figured it would be similar to the wk2 which the v6 can only haul 6200 while the Hemi is around 7400

I currently have an 07 wk Hemi and really thinking about trading in for a gladiator. I tow my Lj a few times a year with it normally a uhaul trailer.

Iím also questioning how well the v6 is going to handle that weight..

Also waiting on the pricing up here in Canada.. If I donít get a Gladiator getting a Power Wagon or Rebel.
It's hard to say what exactly goes into the final tow rating. Wheelbase does help, that's for sure. And that's probably why the JT is rated higher with the V6 than the WK2.

Perhaps with a V8 the JT could tow more. But we'll never know because the V8 won't come from the factory in a Wrangler or one of its derivatives.
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Been looking at the JT / JL for ideas. Left Jeep Late 90's when the Wagoner died. Bought a F150 and have had several. 15-19's are good vehicles but frustration with frozen door latches has made the decision to look at Jeep's & Ram's very easy. Do tow a boat on a 6000# tandem trailer. What concerns me is no E-torque option and the rear gear. So looking to do this to help the V6. Order a Rubicon which has the 4.10 rear gear and change out tires to the 245/75/17 on the sport. This will let it pull and the top overdrive gears will make up when not. Reprogram CPU for smaller tires. Rubicon is over the top for my off road adventures but better geared for pulling the boat.
Looked up the 8 speed gearing and it has enough top end gearing for on road driving. With the 4.11 rear in 6th 1-1 engine rpm is about 2850 about where it needs to be for towing. Just my thoughts

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It's hard to say what exactly goes into the final tow rating. Wheelbase does help, that's for sure. And that's probably why the JT is rated higher with the V6 than the WK2.

Perhaps with a V8 the JT could tow more. But we'll never know because the V8 won't come from the factory in a Wrangler or one of its derivatives.
Back in the old days, the tow ratings were pretty much whatever the OEM wanted to advertise - each manufacturer had its own test regimen, so tow ratings werenít necessarily comparable between them. In 2008, SAE came out with a standard (J2807) for rating based not just on engine power, but handling, braking, and durability. Of course, participation is voluntary, but SAE specs tend to be pretty universal.

From what Iíve read, the Gladiatorís strengthened frame and stretched wheelbase were the driving forces behind its increased rating vs. the standard JL/JLU.
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Back in the old days, the tow ratings were pretty much whatever the OEM wanted to advertise - each manufacturer had its own test regimen, so tow ratings werenít necessarily comparable between them. In 2008, SAE came out with a standard (J2807) for rating based not just on engine power, but handling, braking, and durability. Of course, participation is voluntary, but SAE specs tend to be pretty universal.

From what Iíve read, the Gladiatorís strengthened frame and stretched wheelbase were the driving forces behind its increased rating vs. the standard JL/JLU.
The rear suspension upgrades played a part as well. They made a few changes to reduce trailer sway by doing things like beefing up the swaybar, changing the geometry of the link arms, etc.

With the 3.6 vs Hemi in the WK2, I imagine that the acceleration test up a grade is the limiting factor between the two. Along with maybe some suspension tweaks of the tow package when you buy the Hemi.

And while I'm sure they did the J2807 test to determine the tow ratings, we will probably never get to see the results of the individual test elements and we'll be left to speculating exactly what set the rating where it landed.
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It's hard to say what exactly goes into the final tow rating. Wheelbase does help, that's for sure. And that's probably why the JT is rated higher with the V6 than the WK2.

Perhaps with a V8 the JT could tow more.
The WD has a longer wheelbase than the WK2. Yet it’s 3.6 and 5.7 tow ratings aren’t any different.
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The WD has a longer wheelbase than the WK2. Yet itís 3.6 and 5.7 tow ratings arenít any different.
Again, many different things go into determining the tow rating. No one single change will account for a difference in ratings
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I want to flat tow my semi built TJ with the JT and make a jeep train.
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Some info with a 6k trailer. I wouldn't want tow with the Ford ranger turbo diesel either. I've towed around 6k with a diesel canyon and didn't like it as well. Id say closer to 4-5 k is more doable. It will also be what most people will probably end up towing. Max ratings are just that, a Max and some people will tow at that range but most will not like the experience. 7k is pretty heavy 😁. Every k counts.
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We tow a teardrop in the mountains with our 14 JKUR quite a bit. We are probably in the 1500 lb range and I would not want to tow much more than that and have to pay for the fuel. I just don't see 7500 lbs as feasible for this engine for any kind of distance.
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I use to tow a 14'trailer and xp4 rzr at about 3k with my 4dr and hated it. That was around flat Texas roads. Mountain driving is worse. What you can tow and what you feel comfortable to tow are to different things.
It's awesome that it got the weight rating approved so it's possible. Just may not be fun.
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^^^Per the above, the challenge has been to have enough engine cooling system, for the Gladiator to tow the target number. Even the cooling fan on the Gladiator with the towing package will have a higher wattage cooling fan. THE ABOVE IS A GOOD READ..FYI
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^^^Per the above, the challenge has been to have enough engine cooling system, for the Gladiator to tow the target number. Even the cooling fan on the Gladiator with the towing package will have a higher wattage cooling fan. THE ABOVE IS A GOOD READ..FYI
Excellent read is right! Thanks for the link!
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I've had two Tacoma's with the 4.0 and auto, and now have a Frontier with the 4.0 and 6 speed. All are rated for over 6,000 towing, but none were very good at it. Any hill, headwind or crosswind made for some challenging driving. The Gladiator is similar enough in weight, dimensions and capacity that I expect towing in that range would be similar. $40,000 is a pretty expensive experiment.
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I don’t understand why JL/JT have the black plastic in between the grille slots anyway. They needed to “widen” to holes for better cooling...Why even put it there in the first place?

Jeep has always had a direct view to the radiator/ac condenser without that crap there.
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I donít understand why JL/JT have the black plastic in between the grille slots anyway. They needed to ďwidenĒ to holes for better cooling...Why even put it there in the first place?

Jeep has always had a direct view to the radiator/ac condenser without that crap there.
It should be removable...problem solved.
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It should be removable...problem solved.
One way or another, you'll be able to remove it.
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