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Old 05-21-2019, 02:23 PM   #61
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Honestly, the real fool is the one who buys a mass produced high volume truck expecting that it will be worth so much more in the future.

Take all the money you would have spent on the LE to buy it. Add in money over the years that you would have spent on the climate controlled storage to keep it pristine. Toss in the money you spend on the products you buy to keep the rubber tires, hoses, belts, etc. from drying out. Put all that money into an index fund. I guarantee in the long run you'd end up with orders of magnitude more money than you will ever get from selling a LE down the line.
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This gets discussed every day on BaT....

Recently, a 1987 Buick GNX (500 made, serialized) with 8 miles sold for $200K on BaT - was publicized all over the internet. The owner stored it in a climate controlled garage. The auction comments were exhausting. If you do the math... cost of initial purchase, insurance, storage fees, etc.. the cost of ownership was around $167K.

That's assuming he purchased at MSRP... at the time, MSRP with ADMs on these were ~$60K. I think he lost money... not to mention, the lost opportunity of investing $60K in the S&P 500 back in 1987.

Storing vehicles for an investment are typically a losing proposition...

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This gets discussed every day on BaT....

Recently, a 1987 Buick GNX (500 made, serialized) with 8 miles sold for $200K on BaT - was publicized all over the internet. The owner stored it in a climate controlled garage. The auction comments were exhausting. If you do the math... cost of initial purchase, insurance, storage fees, etc.. the cost of ownership was around $167K.

That's assuming he purchased at MSRP... at the time, MSRP with ADMs on these were ~$60K. I think he lost money... not to mention, the lost opportunity of investing $60K in the S&P 500 back in 1987.

Storing vehicles for an investment are typically a losing proposition...

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Yep. Really, when it comes to anything "collectable", the only people who really make money are the ones who sell them in the first place.

Sure, you can luck into something like the 3 people who bought the convertible Hemi Cuda in like 1970 or whatever year it was. Those are worth a ton. But only worth something because they were a specific combination of option boxes on an order sheet that most people didn't choose and the market decided later that they were valuable.

Those 547 GNX Grand Nationals were nice cars and fast in their day but in the end, they were just ordinary 2 door Oldsmobuicks with a souped up engine, paint job, and some trim. I do have a soft spot for the old T-Type because they were new and cool back when I was in high school. But I doubt I'd ever actually acquire one.
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I am a deer, elk, moose, and sheep hunter and had peviously thought about selling my 2015 tricked out Jk and my 2007 lifted, and also somewhat tricked out Tundra double cab for a new Gladiator to replace both. I saw one last Friday and I have two impressions that immediately kept me from thinking further about that option and staying with what I have. First, why couldn't Jeep create a lengthened wheelbase for the Gladiator to put the axle in the middle of the bed? One good elk in the back of that pickup and it would be hard to keep the front end down enough to steer it safely down the highway! It also looks super ugly with the rear axle where it is; looks like they cut off the JLUL at the back of the cab put a pickup bed on it. Secondly, because it appears they did just that, the rear seatbacks are so straight with no room to recline them (like with a UL and the seat recline aftermarket option) it will be uncomfortable for any person of size to ride back there very far. My Tundra double cab (extended cab, not crew cab) has a better seat in the back than this Gladiator has.

So for me - go for it guys; I think it's impractical and ugly.
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Nah...Ö I'll keep working on my '62 Willys Pickup. (Original ugly!)
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I am a deer, elk, moose, and sheep hunter and had peviously thought about selling my 2015 tricked out Jk and my 2007 lifted, and also somewhat tricked out Tundra double cab for a new Gladiator to replace both. I saw one last Friday and I have two impressions that immediately kept me from thinking further about that option and staying with what I have. First, why couldn't Jeep create a lengthened wheelbase for the Gladiator to put the axle in the middle of the bed? One good elk in the back of that pickup and it would be hard to keep the front end down enough to steer it safely down the highway! It also looks super ugly with the rear axle where it is; looks like they cut off the JLUL at the back of the cab put a pickup bed on it. Secondly, because it appears they did just that, the rear seatbacks are so straight with no room to recline them (like with a UL and the seat recline aftermarket option) it will be uncomfortable for any person of size to ride back there very far. My Tundra double cab (extended cab, not crew cab) has a better seat in the back than this Gladiator has.

So for me - go for it guys; I think it's impractical and ugly.
I have a 2009 JKU Rubicon and always wanted a AEV Brute. Love my JKU so I bought a 2017 RAM Power Wagon. Not bashing the market for the Gladiator, but wow, the $ that is asked is out of control. My PW was in the range of the fully loaded JT. Ridiculous. PW is KILLER. I drove a 1984 CJ-7 for 21 years. Technology is great but when it becomes a distraction and another thing to fix, not so much. I recently bought a 2006 Rubicon LJ with 40K miles that was owned by an elderly couple; Khaki, hard and soft tops, everything. Manual everything. Love love it. I am heading backwards now and my next will probably be a J10.
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Old 05-21-2019, 07:27 PM   #66
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And this will always be a Gladiator to me
An old neighbor of mine had that exact same truck/same color when it was new/near new.

It always made me smile when it went by on the road. Maybe one of these days when I get more garage space.
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An old neighbor of mine had that exact same truck/same color when it was new/near new.

It always made me smile when it went by on the road. Maybe one of these days when I get more garage space.


I would love to have a few old vehicles with a newer drivetrains. Those would be my ultimate vehicles.
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I would love to have a few old vehicles with a newer drivetrains. Those would be my ultimate vehicles.
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I can’t get over how BIG this thing is. Make a 2 door and I’m in!
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I am a deer, elk, moose, and sheep hunter and had peviously thought about selling my 2015 tricked out Jk and my 2007 lifted, and also somewhat tricked out Tundra double cab for a new Gladiator to replace both. I saw one last Friday and I have two impressions that immediately kept me from thinking further about that option and staying with what I have. First, why couldn't Jeep create a lengthened wheelbase for the Gladiator to put the axle in the middle of the bed? One good elk in the back of that pickup and it would be hard to keep the front end down enough to steer it safely down the highway! It also looks super ugly with the rear axle where it is; looks like they cut off the JLUL at the back of the cab put a pickup bed on it. Secondly, because it appears they did just that, the rear seatbacks are so straight with no room to recline them (like with a UL and the seat recline aftermarket option) it will be uncomfortable for any person of size to ride back there very far. My Tundra double cab (extended cab, not crew cab) has a better seat in the back than this Gladiator has.

So for me - go for it guys; I think it's impractical and ugly.
Looks can be deceiving. All your points about rear seating well taken, but... The vehicle is an overall 31" longer than a JLU and the rear wheels are actually set back a further 19" from a JLU so it is a longer wheelbase which of course hurts the breakover angle for the JT vs. JLU.
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So, just got my "shipped" status and I live in NJ so I can't use this because NJ license plates only allow for 7 digits max. I'm sure this very astute Gladiator crowd will get it...

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I have a 1989 Wrangler yj 4.0 manual 5 speed only paid $5,000. I wouldn't trade it for a brand new one . I love my old school Jeep it looks and runs great . I just put different tires and rims on it need to update my photo as soon as I get my led 50" light bar on her 😎
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I canít get over how BIG this thing is. Make a 2 door and Iím in!
here is that they will offer a 2 door but on the same frame. So the same god-awful wheelbase. Just a longer bed.

Now if they made a two-door using the JL length frame I'm all in.
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Loaded raptors are 70k but a very nicely equipped raptor runs 55-58k . This is in the same price range as an overland jt. I would never put them in the same league. To be honest I wouldn't get a jt over a jl anyday and I think many current Jeep owners wouldn't make the change either. Jt is Not enough truck for the money and not better than the jk or jl to justify a change for most. I remember all these comments about I want it but I don't see many committing to an actual purchase.
It's tough because it's less truck and less jeep than a comparable of either. However, if it were a light farm truck or ranch truck with offroad areas and you could run with the top off it may have it's place.
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That being said, I do like the solid axles and max towing of the JT.
Problem is that max towing (7,650) is only available on the Sport trim.

Even so, the 3.6 struggles.

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Problem is that max towing (7,650) is only available on the Sport trim.

Even so, the 3.6 struggles.
Thatís pretty bad... I would not be happy owning one of these with lackluster towing performance. Midsize trucks with I-4s and V6s just donít cut it when towing heavier loads.

The Jeep engineer they referenced is full of it.. Iíd like to see more tow testing in higher temperature areas - places like Death Valley. Just knowing the V6 Pentastar, Iím not sure this truck can handle it..

Also, I canít believe they released this truck with no integrated trailer brake feature - available later in the year?

Not sure, at $60K thereís better tow vehicles out there with 6.2L V8s.

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That was one of the worst towing performances Ive seen on TFL trucks.Ive watched a ton of those.
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Thatís pretty bad... I would not be happy owning one of these with lackluster towing performance. Midsize trucks with I-4s and V6s just donít cut it when towing heavier loads.

The Jeep engineer they referenced is full of it.. Iíd like to see more tow testing in higher temperature areas - places like Death Valley. Just knowing the V6 Pentastar, Iím not sure this truck can handle it..

Also, I canít believe they released this truck with no integrated trailer brake feature - available later in the year?

Not sure, at $60K thereís better tow vehicles out there with 6.2L V8s.

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you aint kidding. If we are talking 6.2Ls, mine was priced at 28k, but with trade in was only 24k after interest. Had 85k miles but she purrs.
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The JT is def undermotored for max towing, my ridgeline was rated at 5k and I dont think it would do great on the TFL test, the frame should be able to do it no problem, esp if its ram 1500 based but Jeep is getting lazy or releasing more powerful motor besides the Diesel in a few years.

Imagine if they pulled a rabbit and brought out an all new 4.0 inline 6, this motor could make it in to the JL a few years later.

If Mercedes still owned Jeep they could have done something with the m256 turbo inline 6 that is turbocharged, detune it to 350/350.

What I don't understand is why the 3.6 has been stuck at 285hp for so long, GM has been well over 300hp for awhile and they could have gotten more out of it.

Just think about this, the 3.6 from VW, I had one in a passat in 2006(13 years ago) and it had 280hp, it was codeveloped with Porsche and it was a monster for the passat at the time, 4motion and I used to smoke lots of muscle cars.

This truck need at least 320hp and 300lbs of torque plus to get the max tow rating they claim, make a 3.6 a 4.0 and get 320/300.
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Dealer got in a Billet Silver Overland @ 4p.m today... "Killer" Black leather interior -yes it has a JL interior - yep stickered at 51k. Like the tailgate operation! He also got a Red Sport.. Drawing a crowd, 8 people stopped as they drove by. Will really be a "looker" w/33's or 35's

Stickered at 51K? My first house stickered at 52K brand new development..... of course that was 46 years ago...
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Check this out... story headline reads,

ďJeep's new pickup a dealer's dream.Ē

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The 2020 Jeep Gladiator is the brand's first pickup since 1992 and just starting to roll into showrooms. They're currently in such demand as production ramps up that some dealers are marking them up as much as $20,000 over list, and that's for a truck that starts at $35,040. Meanwhile, high-end models, like the Rubicon that can carry a sticker price over $60,000, are being advertised for $80,000 and more.
Who are the fools paying dealers $20K over MSRP?

Is the JT really in that much demand? Or is this more Jeep propaganda?

https://apple.news/Afy_e5wg1QkeUDFxfHcqkLw

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“Jeep's new pickup a dealer's dream.”







Who are the fools paying dealers $20K over MSRP?



Is the JT really in that much demand? Or is this more Jeep propaganda?



https://apple.news/Afy_e5wg1QkeUDFxfHcqkLw



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Might be a dream because they will charge way more than it’s worth. and know that some will pay for it. But also have a feeling the JT will be short lived.

My opinion..

Aftermarket will drive the sales for the JT, not Jeep themselves (people want cool stuff to show off). The person that wants this thing is in a very, very small percentage group to which is why I think it will be short lived.

Also, I have yet to see one built (in pic’s that I actually like).

That said, I still have no interest in this thing at all, but did at the beginning while hoping for something completely different.
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ďJeep's new pickup a dealer's dream.Ē



Who are the fools paying dealers $20K over MSRP?

Is the JT really in that much demand? Or is this more Jeep propaganda?

https://apple.news/Afy_e5wg1QkeUDFxfHcqkLw

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Sounds like propaganda to me. Several local dealers have had fully loaded $60k+ JT Rubicon's sitting on the lot since they arrived
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Sounds like propaganda to me. Several local dealers have had fully loaded $60k+ JT Rubicon's sitting on the lot since they arrived
Huntington Beach Jeep...

39 JTs in inventory...

$74K for an Overland..

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