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Old 01-30-2020, 01:32 AM
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Driving a Jeep Stripped and the Decibel Levels Regarding Hearing

Hello. My name's Andrew. First time on here. First time on a forum actually. I currently do not own a Jeep but I have one main question about them to determine whether I purchase one or not. I would particularly like to have veterans of Jeep owning and driving answer my question simply because of the experience over a many years/a decade or two. I myself am a massive hypochondriac/germaphobe. I already have at 22 years old mild hearing loss in my right ear.
My concern with owning and driving a Jeep, although I'm itching too, is how loud it gets going at 50-90mph with the doors off or windows down, top down, as well as the windshield down or even up. I have gone so far as to see whether I can afford the gas, gone on websites to look around my area to see who's selling them in what condition at what price, etc. But I just am trying to determine whether I risk getting hearing loss at a moderate to major level by the time I'm in my 40s but I got to enjoy my youth, or skip out on this and have my hearing when I'm older but deeply regret not taking advantage of fulfilling my life with wonderful experiences.
I'm just so damn conflicted. I mean on the one hand I think surgerys and technologies will get better at dealing with people having hearing loss or being deaf, but then I don't want to be a hospital prone, bubble wearing old guy. Please help! Thank you.

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Hello. My name's Andrew. First time on here. First time on a forum actually. I currently do not own a Jeep but I have one main question about them to determine whether I purchase one or not. I would particularly like to have veterans of Jeep owning and driving answer my question simply because of the experience over a many years/a decade or two. I myself am a massive hypochondriac/germaphobe. I already have at 22 years old mild hearing loss in my right ear.

My concern with owning and driving a Jeep, although I'm itching too, is how loud it gets going at 50-90mph with the doors off or windows down, top down, as well as the windshield down or even up. I have gone so far as to see whether I can afford the gas, gone on websites to look around my area to see who's selling them in what condition at what price, etc. But I just am trying to determine whether I risk getting hearing loss at a moderate to major level by the time I'm in my 40s but I got to enjoy my youth, or skip out on this and have my hearing when I'm older but deeply regret not taking advantage of fulfilling my life with wonderful experiences.

I'm just so damn conflicted. I mean on the one hand I think surgerys and technologies will get better at dealing with people having hearing loss or being deaf, but then I don't want to be a hospital prone, bubble wearing old guy. Please help! Thank you.
1st off, I hope you're in some kind of therapy. The world is out there, go enjoy it.

2nd, yes...at 50-90mph with any part of the Jeep removed, even windows down, it's loud. The more you take off, the louder it is. Get some earplugs and tell your passengers you'll talk to them when you get where you're going.

3rd, get the Jeep and enjoy life.

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Hello SilentFoe. I greatly appreciate your reply to my post so quickly! I'm curious. How long have you been in experiencing the Jeep community?
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The noise is more of a constant, but not “damaging level” type of noise. Can’t say I have measured it.

Also, you will probably never drive more than 20 mph with your windshield down, so don’t worry about that.

It’s honestly not much louder than driving a car with all four windows down, or a convertible with the top down. Just a whole lot more wind
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OSHA uses a time weighed average for determining when hearing protection is required. Basically it starts over 90dbc and depends on how long your exposed to the high dbc. Here is my jeep scale:

Naked jeep with mud tires doing 70+ mph for 1 hour or more = definitely wear ear plugs. I keep some in the jeep.

Naked jeep with mud tires doing under 40 mph around town = shouldn't be an issue.

Naked jeep with mud tires doing under 10mph while driving down a trail in the middle of nowhere = life doesn't get much better than this.
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Doors off and top down on the expressway - it's loud and can be uncomfortable. My wife wears ear-muff like hearing protectors. I can wear foam ear plugs but most of the time I just put up with the noise and wind buffeting pressure. You could just drive with the doors on, windows and top up and take everything off when you get to your destination.
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Wind & noise is all a part of the Jeep experience...imo. Just have to speak up a bit at times. Can’t speak for tire noise as I have KO2s which are fairly quiet. Motorcycles are beautiful machines but I can’t bring myself to go there...too chicken I guess. I’ll continue to admit from afar. But a Jeep riding naked is about as close as one can get. Now if I can sort out a good solution for no mirrors while door less I’ll be set! Life is short, don’t dawdle around, at least rent one to see how you alike it. I still kick myself that I didn’t get a Jeep sooner
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Wind & noise is all a part of the Jeep experience...imo. Just have to speak up a bit at times. Canít speak for tire noise as I have KO2s which are fairly quiet. Motorcycles are beautiful machines but I canít bring myself to go there...too chicken I guess. Iíll continue to admit from afar. But a Jeep riding naked is about as close as one can get. Now if I can sort out a good solution for no mirrors while door less Iíll be set! Life is short, donít dawdle around, at least rent one to see how you alike it. I still kick myself that I didnít get a Jeep sooner
There are a ton of solutions out there for mirrors while doorless. Set your budget and start shopping. They all have pros and cons.

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Welcome to the Forum Joe "Ari" Gatto,

I'm 75 yo and suffer from hearing loss. Much of it from long distance motorcycle riding, many years without a helmet (where legal) and in later years with a shorty helmet. Even with ear plugs the buffeting would have my ears ringing at the end of the day.
I now wear hearing aids and still have to ask Mrs. Lucky "What did he say?".
I had some head trauma and am 90% deaf in my left ear anyhow, so all those years on a motorcycle don't matter to that ear.

I wouldn't change anything. I'm surprised I'm still alive after all the tricks I got away with.
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My advice. Dont buy one. Buy yourself a clean foreign vehicle that will get good mileage and reduce your chance of injury, illness or hearing loss.

Seriously, enjoy life. Take chances. You have not lived until you've taken chances. Putting yourself in a bubble will only bring you massive regret as you get older. The chances Ive taken in my life made me the person I am today.

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Go live. All of the above are what made me, me. If owning a convertible is your breaking point, you need a reevaluation of life.
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Like was already said. Rent one. Then YOU will know.
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OR, you can do what we do. We have had 5 jeeps, all of which have had hard tops and full doors. I am not a Germ-a-phoebe, but I do not like excess noise, dust, dirt, mud, heat, cold or anything else that a jeep is capable of exposing you to. That is the OUTSTANDING thing about jeeps. You can make it your own. If you like security, safety, clean lungs (no dust), functional heater in the winter and outstanding A/C in the summers, stronger roll-over protection (fewer ejections), BUT still capable of going 98% of the places the topless jeeps go, then get one that is fully protected. You can always take the top and doors off later. I would advise NOT to buy one without hardtop and full doors first though.

BEST ADVICE THOUGH, rent one and see what your preference is.

OH, my older sister is a Germ-a-phoebe and gets sick each and every year with whatever is being circulated. Usually 2 or 3 times a year. My wife and I on the other hand, are in the middle of the scale. We take commonly recommended sanitary precautions regarding germs and we get sick once every 4 or 5 years. Literally, she gets sick 2-3 times every year. She has no immune system because she kills every germ that gets within 50 feet of her. She is rather hilarious to watch. We invite the germs in to strengthen our immune systems, within reason. The fewer germs you are exposed to, the weaker your immune system is.
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OH, my older sister is a Germ-a-phoebe and gets sick each and every year with whatever is being circulated. Usually 2 or 3 times a year. My wife and I on the other hand, are in the middle of the scale. We take commonly recommended sanitary precautions regarding germs and we get sick once every 4 or 5 years. Literally, she gets sick 2-3 times every year. She has no immune system because she kills every germ that gets within 50 feet of her. She is rather hilarious to watch. We invite the germs in to strengthen our immune systems, within reason. The fewer germs you are exposed to, the weaker your immune system is.
I'm on the opposite end of the scale from your sister, and I'm even more reckless about germs than you and your wife.
All I do to protect myself is eat well, get enough sleep and once a year get my flu shot. I haven't had a cold or flu in years.
Oh, yeah, I quit drinking and using drugs almost 40 years ago. I think that helped too.

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Are you able to estimate as to when you started losing your hearing significantly?
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I hit the "Quick Reply" button under Luckymac thinking it'd tag his name. The reply from me at 10:30 PM is to Luckymac.
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Are you able to estimate as to when you started losing your hearing significantly?
It comes on gradually. It's part of getting old and probably started as a pre-teen or young teenager shooting a .22 without hearing protection.
That was in the late '50s and nobody really knew about hearing protection while shooting. We also rode our bicycles without helmets.

It really became noticeable about 15 years ago when Mrs. Lucky started suggesting I get hearing aids. "What" I said. (dad joke).
I've had tinnitus as long as I can remember.

I think you're overthinking the Jeep thing. If you want one, buy one with a hard top and full doors. Get a hard top lift for your garage and make or buy brackets to hang your full doors on the garage wall. Drive to the trailhead using little foam earplugs. Take the ear plugs out while you're off roading and enjoy the views, the smells and the wind.

As far as being a germaphobe, I don't bother to wash my hands after feeding my chickens and carrying in the eggs and I've never has salmonella.
But, I've been lucky. That's why I'm "Lucky Mac".

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HUH?

I cant understand you.

My wife says I can't hear a thing, she is right but I'm not going to just agree with her.

Yes, I'm over 60 with constant ringing in the ears. Guns, loud cars, loud music, etc.
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HUH?

I cant understand you.

My wife says I can't hear a thing, she is right but I'm not going to just agree with her.

Yes, I'm over 60 with constant ringing in the ears. Guns, loud cars, loud music, etc.
I'm right behind you. Same reasons. Wife says I need one....or at least, that's what it sounded like.
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As long as there's no snow on the ground, that's about 6 months of the year in Montana, I'm running topless/doorless with a spiderweb shade and Rancho trail doors. I used to get beat up pretty good at 70-80mph on the highways doing some 100-300 mile runs. I've found that if you're wearing ear plugs, a cap and a face shield, (https://safishing.com) it's almost like wearing a helmet. No more getting beat up by the wind and noise. I wish I would have found this combo sooner, cheap too considering the return on investment.
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You are smart to be concerned about your hearing. My FIL is very hard of hearing and it is no fun. He got hearing aids for the first time and we went deer hunting. He came out of the woods talking about hearing crows for the first time in many years. I associate hearing crows with deer hunting. So it was sad to know that he was hearing things for the first time in a long, long time.

But, you don't have to be reckless with your hearing and a Jeep. My Jeep with top on and windows up is quieter than my wife's Honda CR-V. And I have BFG KO2 tires! If you want to ride with it opened up, as others said, use ear plugs. I used to ride my motorcycle with earplugs in and it made it a much better experience. All day on the road without them was like going to a rock concert. With them, I felt great after a long days ride.
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Amazon Alexa enabled earbuds with a beanie pulled over them.

That way I can stream music and not have wind pounding my ears. The Amazon buds also have active noise canceling.

And the beanie cover up the fact I am wearing earbuds while driving.
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Topless and doorless on the highway can be horrible.. Especially with a strong crosswind. With no hearing protection, my ears are usually ringing after a long trip.

Like others above, I use earplugs. I keep a set in the center console. I also use Bluetooth noise cancelling earbuds occasionally. Keeps the wind noise down and lets me stream music from my cell phone. (Can barely hear the radio when topless doorless on the highway).

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