JK VS LJ Debate - Page 2 - Jeep Wrangler Forum
Jeep Wrangler Forum

Go Back   Jeep Wrangler Forum > General Jeep Discussions > General Jeep Discussion

Join Wrangler Forum Today


View Poll Results: LJ or JK Rubicon?
2004-2006 Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon 23 62.16%
2009-2013 Wrangler Rubicon 14 37.84%
Voters: 37. You may not vote on this poll

Like Tree1Likes
Reply
 
Thread Tools

Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about them on WranglerForum.com
Old 12-08-2012, 01:44 AM   #31
Jeeper
 
7th_District's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Northern, MI
Posts: 46
Subscribed.

__________________
2013 Rubicon Unlimited auto Gecko Green
2010 Dodge Charger SRT8 6.1L Hemi Brillant Black
2009 Harley Davidson FLHRC Flame Blue
7th_District is offline   Quote
Old 12-08-2012, 02:40 AM   #32
Jeeper
 
Brew's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Washington
Posts: 212
I went through this same debate you're having this summer. I went with an LJ Rubi. Just be prepared to wait to find the right one. I live in Washington, where Jeeps are everywhere. I had to look for at least a couple months to find the exact one I wanted, I was even willing to fly to a dealership in Utah to get one. LJ Rubis are fairly rare, but worth the wait to find a good one. Good road manners, cheaper to mod than JK, awesome I6, tons of writeups and info online, and it's a real Jeep, not a computerized plastic fake Jeep.

__________________
2006 LJ Rubicon
-(O|||||||O)-
Brew is offline   Quote
Old 12-08-2012, 05:14 AM   #33
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Kearneysville, WV
Posts: 3,573
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brew View Post
I went through this same debate you're having this summer. I went with an LJ Rubi. Just be prepared to wait to find the right one. I live in Washington, where Jeeps are everywhere. I had to look for at least a couple months to find the exact one I wanted, I was even willing to fly to a dealership in Utah to get one. LJ Rubis are fairly rare, but worth the wait to find a good one. Good road manners, cheaper to mod than JK, awesome I6, tons of writeups and info online, and it's a real Jeep, not a computerized plastic fake Jeep.
Since you're in the habit of running your mouth about how great your "real Jeep" is and you seem to like to travel, why don't you come on out here and show some of us how great it is on the trails against our computerized, fake Jeeps; you know, those fake Jeeps that are the most competent Jeeps out of every generation of Wrangler built to date.

Con Artist is offline   Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 12-08-2012, 05:29 AM   #34
Jeeper
 
2004 lj's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 23,974
Ok this is a hard one....I've owned an 04 LJ...and now own a 09 rubi...I loved the LJ...loved the room..but hands down I believe the jk rides nicer and has more power. And the jkr is on 3.5 rubi express and 35's
__________________
Yes it is a rubicon
2004 lj is offline   Quote
Old 12-08-2012, 05:40 AM   #35
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Kearneysville, WV
Posts: 3,573
Quote:
Originally Posted by 2004 lj View Post
Ok this is a hard one....I've owned an 04 LJ...and now own a 09 rubi...I loved the LJ...loved the room..but hands down I believe the jk rides nicer and has more power. And the jkr is on 3.5 rubi express and 35's
They have both, a better ride and more power. It must be that computerized suspension.
Con Artist is offline   Quote
Old 12-08-2012, 05:51 AM   #36
Jeeper
 
2004 lj's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 23,974
Quote:
Originally Posted by Con Artist View Post

They have both, a better ride and more power. It must be that computerized suspension.
Lmao
__________________
Yes it is a rubicon
2004 lj is offline   Quote
Old 12-08-2012, 10:39 AM   #37
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Kearneysville, WV
Posts: 3,573
Quote:
Originally Posted by 2004 lj View Post
Lmao
Oh, you didn't know those "fake Jeeps" had those computerized, magnetic ride controlled suspensions lifted right from Ferrari?

...I always wondered how those JKs got such good articulation, and to think that all this time I thought it was because of the electronic swaybar disconnect!
Con Artist is offline   Quote
Old 12-08-2012, 10:56 AM   #38
Jeeper
 
lolpetewtf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: MA/VA/AZ
Posts: 2,319
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jared66 View Post
I will give you this piece of advice. No matter what your buying. If your taking out a loan to buy it. Dont. Save the cash. And buy it with cash. Youll own it out right alot faster. It will br newer. And better. And the stress wont be there making your payments. Debt isnt worth it. Goes for a morgage aswell. Dont do a morgage u leas you have at least 75%. Otherwise. With the interesy you pay. It aint woth it. Faster to save the cash first.
Worst advice ever? Without mortgages everyone would be renting. Or homeless. Or living with their parents until they are 40 or so.
__________________
2012 Cosmos Blue JK
Galaxy DX-99v2/Sirio 5000

S Package/Auto/Dual Top
Custom Stereo/20% Tint
Grabbers on Vision Wheels
lolpetewtf is offline   Quote
Old 12-08-2012, 11:10 AM   #39
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Kearneysville, WV
Posts: 3,573
Quote:
Originally Posted by lolpetewtf View Post
Worst advice ever? Without mortgages everyone would be renting. Or homeless. Or living with their parents until they are 40 or so.
^ This.

I don't even wanna think about still living with my parents. I moved out 16 years ago to RENT, and now I have a mortgage. I guess none of us would have paid off our homes with cash if we had the money, we'd wanna be in debt for 30 years, right?

The fact remains, unless we're millionaires or very well off, we're gonna owe somebody money. I'd agree it's always nice to use cash but credit cards and loans are unavoidable evils for most of us.
Con Artist is offline   Quote
Old 03-03-2013, 04:21 PM   #40
Newb
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Colorado
Posts: 1
I Own A LJ And This Is Why I Like Mine.

It's funny because I was searching on the JK and if it's worth the extra $$$ buying one. I like the 2 door Jeep's but I would be giving up extra space. The new JK's have nice interiors but the price tag is insane, because I would want a Rubicon and their around $30K for a 2 door, nuts. This helped me make a decision on keeping my LJ. I like the extra room and the 4.0 is a great engine, plus the LJ has stronger axles then the regular TJ plus the extra space. For the money the LJ is a better choice if you don't care about creature comforts and the nicer interior but you can always upgrade the interior. And aftermarket parts are a lot cheaper. This is my first Jeep but I have test driven the pre 2012 Jeep JK, IMO it was a dog, had no power. My LJ feels like it has more guts then the 3.8 did. Go with the LJ and save yourself some money, with the extra money you can do more upgrades. The biggest thing for me why I like my LJ is the uniqueness, and has more room! When you go camping like I do you'll be thankful for the extra 10 inches of space, it makes a big difference. Plus you'll stand out because they only made them a few years. Good luck with your search! I've seen a few for sale on Craigslist. Also nothing wrong with getting a loan if you get a low rate, IMO you can use that money you were going to pay for the Jeep and invest into something that's going to pay you back like real estate or precious metals etc. It's all about leverage, Robert Kiyosaki and other investors stress using other people's money! Get a loan and use the cash towards an investment.
slickw1993 is offline   Quote
Old 03-05-2013, 12:30 AM   #41
Jeeper
 
Diver9543's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Oklahoma City
Posts: 64
I admit that I was in the same boat as you earlier last year. I wasn't looking for new, but a 2010 or '11 JK or an older LJ. The price difference was over 10K. I had the cash for either so money wasn't as big of a worry. I drove a '10 JKR and have to admit it was a very pleasant ride, it had a few farkles (winch and a couple other things) plus sat radio. The only thing that really kept me from writing the check was the attitude of the salesperson; he was going to have to share part of his commission with another salesperson I had been talking to via email. Two days later I found a '05 LJ and after driving it and making sure the obvious things worked, 4x4 H & L, tight steering, and solid engine I wrote the check. It had high miles, almost 90K, but with the 4.0 engine that is not much. I know there are things that will and have needed fixed, but I really like the extra room and smoother ride and saving the money on the cost allows me to make needed repairs as they arise. I also love the 4.0 as I can do a lot of the repairs myself. Of course, you also realise you will only get "our" recommendation; yours is the one that matters.
__________________
Jerry
USN Ret.
K7 DL1000
'94 GL1500 SE
Diver9543 is offline   Quote
Old 05-16-2015, 10:21 AM   #42
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Mar 2015
Posts: 27
I had a 2008 Rubicon. Loved it. Especially the Sat radio and Nav. Had to get rid of it due to the economy. Now I have 2005 Rubicon LJ. Jeep LJ = Jeep. Jeep JK = SUV
jrosa55 is offline   Quote
Old 05-16-2015, 10:28 AM   #43
Moderator

5-Year WF Supporting Member
WF Lifetime Member
::WF Moderator::
 
aldo90731's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Bellingham, WA
Posts: 8,956
I own two JKs, and I love them, but I think the LJs just look badass!

LJs got the perfect Jeep proportions IMO, and resale prices show that they are highly desirable.

Just my two nut bolts,

Aldo
__________________

2018 JLU Sahara
Eight prior JKs and JKUs
aldo90731 is offline   Quote
Old 05-16-2015, 11:59 AM   #44
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Mar 2015
Posts: 27
I hear that. I just paid 21.500 for my LJ loaded with bumpers,winch,3 tops and OME lift kit.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	20150510_151247_1431791907133.jpg
Views:	334
Size:	234.4 KB
ID:	2188873   Click image for larger version

Name:	20150510_150739_1431791943435.jpg
Views:	320
Size:	143.7 KB
ID:	2188881  

Click image for larger version

Name:	20150510_131014_1431791983418.jpg
Views:	323
Size:	189.3 KB
ID:	2188889  
jrosa55 is offline   Quote
Old 05-17-2015, 01:11 PM   #45
Jeeper
 
mattjopete's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: St. Louis Mo
Posts: 700
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kuzican View Post

yes, I do not like the SWB of the wranglers, and the JKUs are just too dang big/long. the LJ is perfect for me, but the nicer ride of the JK is what made me post this thread.
Not to blow your mind or anything but a jku is shorter than an LJ.
__________________
'12 JKU COD MW3 Bright Silver Auto
'12 JKU Sahara Deep Cherry Red 6-speed 3.21's - Gone
mattjopete is offline   Quote
Old 05-17-2015, 02:04 PM   #46
Jeeper
 
PHILDABEAST's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Farmington N.M.
Posts: 936
Quote:
Originally Posted by mattjopete View Post

Not to blow your mind or anything but a jku is shorter than an LJ.
And just how do you figure this? My wife's jku is considerably longer than my lj.
PHILDABEAST is offline   Quote
Old 05-17-2015, 06:18 PM   #47
Jeeper
 
mattjopete's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: St. Louis Mo
Posts: 700
Quote:
Originally Posted by PHILDABEAST View Post

And just how do you figure this? My wife's jku is considerably longer than my lj.
Maybe I'm wrong, I remember seeing comparisons on Jeep Forum and I thought the Jks were shorter but wider. If you have both then you would know better than me.
__________________
'12 JKU COD MW3 Bright Silver Auto
'12 JKU Sahara Deep Cherry Red 6-speed 3.21's - Gone
mattjopete is offline   Quote
Old 05-23-2016, 11:28 AM   #48
Jeeper
 
Maxxis's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: Lagrande, OR
Posts: 92
That is what drove me to buy the JKU, that and having the extra doors for the kids instead of always crawling over the seats.

I found this Rubicon all done up for 23K and it came with a brand new best top soft top too. 5.13 gearing, Tera Flex long arm lift, 37" tires, bumpers, tire carrier, lighting, winch, ect. Pretty much everything i would have wanted to do to one and its a Rubi to boot. I got right at 30K worth of receipts that was all done in the last two years installing all the aftermarket stuff.

There is 130K miles on the engine but only 10K on all of the new drive terrain, axles, seals, gears and lift. Plus there isn't a single scratch on the under carriage or the vehicle. It drives like a dream, and has navigation and sat radio which is a plus too. Hope they hold their value as well as all the other Rubicons.

I bought it for a hunting / camping vehicle too so I wanted it to be just as capable as the built TJ I sold and comfortably haul the family and dogs as well.

The biggest selling point for me on the JKUR over the TJUR is the second set of doors and the very small spread in price between the two. You can't hardly find either for less than 20K and even the regular unlimiteds in either model are 15K+ stock.

Quote:
Originally Posted by jrosa55 View Post
I hear that. I just paid 21.500 for my LJ loaded with bumpers,winch,3 tops and OME lift kit.
Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_4492.JPG
Views:	171
Size:	142.6 KB
ID:	3055713

Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_4528.JPG
Views:	172
Size:	169.1 KB
ID:	3055721

Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_4527.JPG
Views:	167
Size:	175.0 KB
ID:	3055729

Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_4534.JPG
Views:	157
Size:	167.5 KB
ID:	3055737
Maxxis is offline   Quote
Old 05-23-2016, 01:54 PM   #49
Jeeper
 
AleYeah's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Greenville, SC
Posts: 991
Quote:
Originally Posted by aldo90731 View Post
I own two JKs, and I love them, but I think the LJs just look badass!

LJs got the perfect Jeep proportions IMO, and resale prices show that they are highly desirable.

Just my two nut bolts,

Aldo
I agree on the perfect proportions. My unrealistic fantasy is that the new JL Wrangler lineup has sizes S-M-L, with the Medium being like an LJ.
__________________
2014 Flame Red JKU Sport S. Manual, premium soft top, 3.73, connectivity, Trac-Lok, BFG T/A KO in 285/70/R17, Argent AEV Savegre rims, Spiderwebshade JK-4D, Gobi Stealth rack, ACE sliders, OEM front half doors in addition to fulls (looking for rears)
AleYeah is offline   Quote
Old 05-24-2016, 11:08 AM   #50
Jeeper
 
macintux's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Central IN
Posts: 779
Quote:
Originally Posted by mattjopete View Post
Maybe I'm wrong, I remember seeing comparisons on Jeep Forum and I thought the Jks were shorter but wider. If you have both then you would know better than me.
Comparing length: TJ < JK < LJ < JKU
Width: TJ/LJ < JK < JKU
macintux is offline   Quote
Old 05-24-2016, 12:29 PM   #51
Supporting Member

5-Year WF Supporting Member
 
RoadiJeff's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: St. Louis, MO
Posts: 6,857
Quote:
Originally Posted by macintux View Post
Comparing length: TJ < JK < LJ < JKU
Width: TJ/LJ < JK < JKU
The 2016 JK and JKU have the same 73.7" body width.
RoadiJeff is offline   Quote
Old 05-24-2016, 01:32 PM   #52
Jeeper
 
macintux's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Central IN
Posts: 779
Quote:
Originally Posted by RoadiJeff View Post
The 2016 JK and JKU have the same 73.7" body width.
Interesting! But still no middle seat in the back?
macintux is offline   Quote
Old 05-24-2016, 08:46 PM   #53
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Posts: 752
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jared66 View Post
I will give you this piece of advice. No matter what your buying. If your taking out a loan to buy it. Dont. Save the cash. And buy it with cash. Youll own it out right alot faster. It will br newer. And better. And the stress wont be there making your payments. Debt isnt worth it. Goes for a morgage aswell. Dont do a morgage u leas you have at least 75%. Otherwise. With the interesy you pay. It aint woth it. Faster to save the cash first.
X2. The road to wealth is not in financing all your stuff. Credit is good, but in small doses. I've bought many cars over the years, some financed and some cash. It's amazing what features and options you find you can do without when you're writing a check for the whole enchilada.
Spud100 is offline   Quote
Old 08-08-2017, 06:30 PM   #54
Jeeper
 
brewerjc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Texas Hill Country
Posts: 15
I have a 2006 Wrangler LJ and I love it....It runs smooth except for a bit of shake at 57mph...above and below that, its smooth as can be. Wild boar fast back hard top, 2" EMU suspension lift + 1.5" body lift running 33's also put on the 31 gallon Safari fuel tank. Thought about putting spacers on and running a wider tire...but I don't want to have to have to think about looking at the tires when getting in and out of tight spots...I can see the fenders and know I'm good...

https://www.autoblog.com/buy/2006-Je...4x4_LWB/specs/

Ok, if you do the research..04-06 Wrangler TJ's LWB and then the Rubicon TJ (LWB) were produced 05 an 06. For saving time I will refer to the TJ's LWB as LJs. So 06 Wrangler LJ vs 06 Rubicon LJ the only differences (STANDARD EQUIPMENT) the Rubicon was wider(less than 2" but still wider) and had the 4.11 gears (Wrangler LJ had 3.73 gears) and the Rubicon LJ being winder it came with 16" rims with 33"s on it. Everything else was the same. Now the later JKs JKUs etc, i have no interest in V6 engines and 4 Doors, not my cup of jeep. I do get amused at how many elderly women are driving the new JKUs around town.

you can do side by side comparisons on the Autoblog website I put up above...

The 04-06 LJ's are the perfect jeeps IMO.
brewerjc is offline   Quote
Old 08-08-2017, 06:36 PM   #55
Jeeper
 
brewerjc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Texas Hill Country
Posts: 15
sorry...the 4.11 vs 3.73 was axel ratio..the LJ Rubicon and the Wrangler LJ both came with the Dana 44 rear end
brewerjc is offline   Quote
Old 08-08-2017, 07:53 PM   #56
Jeeper
 
agalloch07's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2016
Posts: 3,919
Quote:
Originally Posted by brewerjc View Post
I do get amused at how many elderly women are driving the new JKUs around town.
I see a lot of old men driving 2 doors and obese middle aged house wives with kids driving the 4 doors. I always think how crazy it is to see a minivan wrangler hybrids with no top or doors with a baby seat in the rear. Jeep's used to be individualistic and now they are just mass produced glorified mini vans to make moms feel like they are still hip and cool.

The jeep wave



The JK wave
agalloch07 is online now   Quote
Old 08-09-2017, 11:14 AM   #57
Jeeper
 
macintux's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Central IN
Posts: 779
Quote:
Originally Posted by agalloch07 View Post
I see a lot of old men driving 2 doors and obese middle aged house wives with kids driving the 4 doors...Jeep's used to be individualistic and now they are just mass produced glorified mini vans to make moms feel like they are still hip and cool.
This attitude drives me crazy.

Jeep's popularity means FCA (or the next owner) can keep making new Jeeps. New Wranglers are, despite the elitist snobbery on display, still quite off-road capable and modifiable. So that popularity means more fun for everyone.

Beyond that, every JK/JKU sold is an opportunity to introduce someone to the Jeep lifestyle. Just because they don't know what they're getting into doesn't mean they can't be educated and converted.

And a few of those "obese middle aged house wives" are more hardcore off-roaders than many of the people on this site, you superficial snob.

You sound like the people who discover a band relatively early in their career and spend the rest of their lives whining about all the bandwagoneers who showed up after. "How dare they enjoy my music? I WAS THERE FIRST!"
macintux is offline   Quote
Old 08-09-2017, 02:28 PM   #58
Jeeper
 
brewerjc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Texas Hill Country
Posts: 15
We are not talking about the JK JKU owners who are out on the trail we are talking about those who dropped 40 thousand on a new JKU...and will never leave the black top...Just like those shinny chromed out Hummers...19MPG...to never leave the black top...Jeeps use to be seldom seen on the road...Now they are everywhere...I don't have problem with it..I find it amusing...and guess what they can drive them for 10 years and sell them for 20k in immaculate condition..

Oh and you hit it on the head, Jeep CJs YJs, Wranglers etc were never elitist or snobs..survivalist, outdoors men, hunters, ranchers yes...not electric windows, door locks...we don't care if they leak a bit when it rains...I6 engine that would get you out there and get you back back in the day AC was optional...yes the 4 door jeep have made them main stream...but why...because of the JEEP WRANGLER NAME...19MPG highway and still not the ride of a Tahoe, Escalade, or the newer minivans that will get better gas milage...

So like I said I find it amusing..much like those who trailer their Harleys to and from Sturgess amuse me...
brewerjc is offline   Quote
Old 08-09-2017, 03:31 PM   #59
Jeeper
 
agalloch07's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2016
Posts: 3,919
I don't like the JK period but the soccer moms make them a even bigger joke than they already are. No jeep ever made was perfect but some were better than others every model has had it's ups and downs even the CJ. But the transmissions are all junk in the JK though out its run they were plagued with bad transmissions. The YJ had the BA10 for a few years but then upgraded to the AX15 which was probably the best transmission to ever be put in a open top jeep.

The NV3550 in the TJ has it's issues and not quite up to the AX15 but i wouldn't call it a turd. But then they switched over to the horrible NSG370 and the JK used it throughout it's entire run. And the worst part is even if it was available with a engine worth having there are no adapters to run anything decent. Not that JK owners would spend the money on drive train upgrades when there are plastic foreheads on the market you can install with double sided tape.


agalloch07 is online now   Quote
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off






All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:04 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.1
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging v3.1.0 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2020 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
vBulletin Security provided by vBSecurity v2.2.2 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2020 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

Jeep®, Wrangler, Liberty, Wagoneer, Cherokee, Gladiator, Mopar and Grand Cherokee are copyrighted and trademarked to FCA US LLC.
Wranglerforum.com is not in any way associated with FCA US LLC.