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Old 09-16-2019, 11:47 PM   #31
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Disco's and Range Rovers are the ones with the problems not Defenders..heck Defenders were only imported for two or three years.

I'll be bringing a 110 back with me when I come back from Europe this time

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Old 09-17-2019, 12:06 PM   #32
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Nothing more expensive than a "cheap" used Land Rover...

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Old 09-17-2019, 08:18 PM   #33
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With a starting price and plenty of features of a JLU Rubicon, the new LR Defender will give Jeep and run for the money.

First Look ? 2020 Land Rover Defender

Maybe not for rock crawlers, but Over llanders, general trails, mail crawlers, etc.

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Defender is new so no track record. 2 ltr turbo 4, so depending on the Jeep engine you pick, could be more to maintain. Don't know now, but back when I had a first gen Disco parts were expensive. I am in a rural area so no dealer within 3 hours which makes it a no go.
That said if you have a local dealer, I would take a look and test drive one.
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Old 09-17-2019, 08:43 PM   #34
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Playing with the build on the web site it looks like it would be very easy to end up spending $80k, which would be close to $30k more than a JL Rubicon well equipped.
I'm guessing cost to maintain will be higher too.
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Old 09-17-2019, 09:30 PM   #35
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he's been lucky then anyone I know have nothing but troubles
Wife drives a Range Rover Sport and it's been a solid vehicle. Honestly, I think I trust Land Rover more than FCA anymore in terms of quality control. I LOVE my Jeep, but the RRS has had less issues than the Jeep. I think most Jeep owners would find that Land Rovers aren't too bad for those with the ability to troubleshoot and keep up on maintenance. The depreciation on most Land Rovers is horrendous though, so we'll probably keep the RRS until the wheels fall off (currently at 150k miles). Don't get me wrong... I still think the JK is better.
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Old 09-19-2019, 08:32 PM   #36
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I think we need to get some things straight

The top is a Land Rover Defender it's it's served in many militaries and had the reputation of being able to be fixed with a hammer. It's basically stupid dependable and stupid resilant i.e. it's an english Jeep. This vehicle was only imported to the US for 3 years and not with the engines that were available elsewhere..few of us have any real world experience with them and even fewer can have an opinion.

The next is a Land Rover Discovery 2 they've been on again and off again quality wise, have have different engines and basically gave Land Rover its reputation for expense.

Next down is a Land Rover Range Rover it's been more dependable through out it's life span than the Discovery but still tends to have the same basic problems "Three amigos and all that"

Second from last is a Toyota Land Cruiser 76 a vehicle that was never imported and a direct competitor to the Defender, the G-wagen and the Jeep. Like the Defender is body on frame and can fixed with a hammer.

Lastly the Gelandewegen body on frame and solid axles like the Jeep, Defender, and the 76 and like the rest used in much harsher conditions than virtually any stateside Jeep with plentiful parts everywhere but America.

Can the Jeep rock crawl better..yes if your budget is slim and not necessarily if your budget is larger..but literally all of the above will carry more weight, will be more efficient, and have a longer range if that's your thing.

As far as expense goes I've got 30k wrapped into my TJ not including purchase price and I go no further in any situation than my German buddy whose got about the same invested in his military surplus G-wagen

In 2019 I can't think of a good reason to buy a Jeep when there are other options available from the 4Runner through the G-wagen all will be better at just about everything and the TCO is the same. If Jeep made a dependable non-porky two door Wrangler then I'd buy, but now they're all porky and since I need to buy fat I'll take *other
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Old 09-19-2019, 09:51 PM   #37
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I worked for BMW back in 97-98 in Eastern Europe and sold a few Defenders Diesel I don't remember exactly was it Td5 or 300Tdi but those motors had no emission restrictions for sure, a large "puff" of black smoke at start up and acceleration Mechanics explained to me that this will run on any diesel fuel -for trucks, tractors, locomotive, no restrictions.
The selling process was easy, I would just drive up some stairs nearby with the customer and "deal closed". We had a few in for repairs - mostly travelers, one from UK what I noticed axles, TC, transmissions where always oil whet but owners wouldn't let us "fix it", just maintenance and keep heading to wherever they where going, Mongolia maybe.
What to say it was a great vehicle.
New one resembles real Defender like renegade resembles CJ7
If comparing to JK, 1998 Defender was closer to J8.
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Old 09-20-2019, 08:51 PM   #38
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I think we need to get some things straight

The top is a Land Rover Defender it's it's served in many militaries and had the reputation of being able to be fixed with a hammer. It's basically stupid dependable and stupid resilant i.e. it's an english Jeep. This vehicle was only imported to the US for 3 years and not with the engines that were available elsewhere..few of us have any real world experience with them and even fewer can have an opinion.
Just to be straight...
The Defender you are talking about and the Defender the OP is talking about at two very different rigs. The new Defender is not body on frame, and trying to fix it with a hammer...
The Defender you are talking about was as you said only imported into the US for three years and we never got the good engines. And pricing was a issue compared to a Jeep in the US.
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