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Old 09-11-2019, 03:25 PM
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New Land Rover Defender will challenge the JL/JLU?

With a starting price and plenty of features of a JLU Rubicon, the new LR Defender will give Jeep and run for the money.

First Look ? 2020 Land Rover Defender

Maybe not for rock crawlers, but Over llanders, general trails, mail crawlers, etc.

Thoughts?

I have been thinking of a new JL Sahara as a DD, but a new LR Defender in 2 door might be it.

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A new Land Rover will be $90,000+. Think of all the mods you could do to a $50,000 Wrangler and still be cheaper than a LandRover.

https://www.autoblog.com/2019/09/10/...specs-comparo/
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A new Land Rover will be $90,000+. Think of all the mods you could do to a $50,000 Wrangler and still be cheaper than a LandRover.

https://www.autoblog.com/2019/09/10/...specs-comparo/


Starts at $48k.
Comes with 33ís and ground clearance from it appears similar to a Rubicon.

$90 is pimped out.
Seen Rubicons here, loaded and sky roof at $65 before mods and $75k lift, 37ís, etc.


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Looks more like a competitor to Grand Cherokee.

Doubt it can be even close to JK/JL Rubicon capabilities.
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Looks more like a competitor to Grand Cherokee.

Doubt it can be even close to JK/JL Rubicon capabilities.

Barring Rock Crawling the original Defender was slightly better overall on several categories.

Again, how many Wranglers are TRULY used at their full potential or rock crawling?


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With a starting price and plenty of features of a JLU Rubicon, the new LR Defender will give Jeep and run for the money.

First Look ? 2020 Land Rover Defender

Maybe not for rock crawlers, but Over llanders, general trails, mail crawlers, etc.

Thoughts?

I have been thinking of a new JL Sahara as a DD, but a new LR Defender in 2 door might be it.
Looks like it comes with angry eyes stock.
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Land rover what a joke it will be in the shop more that on the road
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Land rover what a joke it will be in the shop more that on the road


Yet my client who drives the too end land rover NEVER has issues. We buys a bee one every 2-3 years. Why? Because he puts about 75k a year on them. Never in shop or issues.
Years ago LR had issues but its seems the last 5 years or since new owners, much improved.
Or he is just lucky then.


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A new Land Rover will be $90,000+. Think of all the mods you could do to a $50,000 Wrangler and still be cheaper than a LandRover.

https://www.autoblog.com/2019/09/10/...specs-comparo/


Starts at $48k.
Comes with 33’s and ground clearance from it appears similar to a Rubicon.

$90 is pimped out.
Seen Rubicons here, loaded and sky roof at $65 before mods and $75k lift, 37’s, etc.


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Land rover what a joke it will be in the shop more that on the road


Yet my client who drives the too end land rover NEVER has issues. We buys a bee one every 2-3 years. Why? Because he puts about 75k a year on them. Never in shop or issues.
Years ago LR had issues but its seems the last 5 years or since new owners, much improved.
Or he is just lucky then.


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I doubt that anyone can modify a Land Rover Defender the same way we mod our Jeeps. The wrangler aftermarket support I believe is the best of any vehicle on the planet.

Also, our Jeeps are not known to be precisely reliable, but we have lots of independent shops that can work on our Jeeps if we want to avoid FCA dealers, try that with a British vehicle.
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Buy an import for $48k or buy a Bronco for $30k? The Bronco is likely to feel sportier than the Defender.
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Looks like it comes with angry eyes stock.
I looked at the online pics. It looks more sleepy than angry.

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It should do really good off road with the low profile tires and big bling rims what a joke
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The new Defender is just a new style cross-over SUV. It is not really a competitor to the JL / JT unless you really didn't want a body on frame Jeep in the first place. I'm sure it will be a nice SUV, but it won't be a Jeep. The new Bronco is more likely to be a competitor to the Jeep. A cross-over SUV isn't.
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Resale value on Land Rovers is pretty low, mostly because of the history of electrical and mechanical gremlins. If you want one, might want to wait a couple of years and get it for 1/2 price.
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Jeep people mock LR but they are super capable. Saw one on the dusy ershim when we did it. I have seen LR's in Moab as well. Hate if you want but don't doubt that they can go a lot of places.
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Maybe I'm just old fashioned but the original LR Defender is what I consider an ultimate adventurous competitor to the jeep. Glorified look-alike SUVs don't excite me nor will last long on the trails. Poor reliability, expensive repairs are a LR trait that makes it difficult to own one.
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I like Land Rovers, especially the old Defender. The wife and I nearly bought one way back when but, surprise surprise, it was too expensive. I would still love one, and if I ever buy a second off road 4 wheel vehicle it is likely it would be a Samurai or an old Defender.
I just don't think the new one is really competition for the JL / JLU / JT. Perhaps a few soccer moms will want one instead of a Jeep JLU, but buyers will more likely come from other models.
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I like Land Rovers, especially the old Defender. The wife and I nearly bought one way back when but, surprise surprise, it was too expensive. I would still love one, and if I ever buy a second off road 4 wheel vehicle it is likely it would be a Samurai or an old Defender.
I just don't think the new one is really competition for the JL / JLU / JT. Perhaps a few soccer moms will want one instead of a Jeep JLU, but buyers will more likely come from other models.
Yep, I like the old Defenders too. But also yep, too expensive. Much like the original Broncos, like them but too expensive now for what they are.

If I were to get a vintage second off road vehicle, it would probably be a CJ or a Scout. Of course, they are no longer cheap either.

Hmmmm, I may be starting to sound kinda like a grumpy old man....
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Remember this isnít the 80ís anymore

Jeep wranglers to many are among the most unreliable vehicles and horrible as a daily driver. Look at consumer reports and numerous other sources for reliability statistics as well as opinions on how they are to live with, always bad.

Yet I daily drive my JKU and itís been trouble free

Years ago yes the defenders were awesome however they needed constant (sometime major) work. Friend who is a mechanic had one at their shop not to long ago, early 90ís (I think) defender 110 in green and the owner paid $75k on bring a trailer. $20,000 in engine, drivetrain and suspension work later itís still not 100%

However like FIAT (fix it again tony) LOTUS (lots of trouble usually serious) comparing new cars like say lotus evora to the old Esprit, those old stigmas need to be dropped. Hopefully the same will be true with the new defender.... itís not a vehicle I would want & I do not think it will compete with a wrangler, totally different class of people.... more G wagon or other more luxury SUVís
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Land rover what a joke it will be in the shop more that on the road
Remember this isn’t the 80’s anymore

Jeep wranglers to many are among the most unreliable vehicles and horrible as a daily driver. Look at consumer reports and numerous other sources for reliability statistics as well as opinions on how they are to live with, always bad.

Yet I daily drive my JKU and it’s been trouble free

Years ago yes the defenders were awesome however they needed constant (sometime major) work. Friend who is a mechanic had one at their shop not to long ago, early 90’s (I think) defender 110 in green and the owner paid $75k on bring a trailer. $20,000 in engine, drivetrain and suspension work later it’s still not 100%

However like FIAT (fix it again tony) LOTUS (lots of trouble usually serious) comparing new cars like say lotus evora to the old Esprit, those old stigmas need to be dropped. Hopefully the same will be true with the new defender.... it’s not a vehicle I would want & I do not think it will compete with a wrangler, totally different class of people.... more G wagon or other more luxury SUV’s
Wasn't just the 80s my friend had one 2000 something with nothing but electrical issues
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Wasn't just the 80s my friend had one 2000 something with nothing but electrical issues
I think even since the early 2kís many car manufacturers are better. Many are under new ownership thus often times much deeper pockets for proper R&D.......

Still not a vehicle I would own..... my girlfriend on the otherhand, sheís a fan
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Wasn't just the 80s my friend had one 2000 something with nothing but electrical issues
I think even since the early 2k’s many car manufacturers are better. Many are under new ownership thus often times much deeper pockets for proper R&D.......

Still not a vehicle I would own..... my girlfriend on the otherhand, she’s a fan
True I'm not a fan either but when something is so bad for all them years it's tough to forget
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True I'm not a fan either but when something is so bad for all them years it's tough to forget
Lol.... I am one who gives companies the benefit of the doubt.... in the hopes their new stuff isnít unreliable like things of the past.

Thus I am lotus evora 400/GT shopping. Always loved the looks of the old esprit, however the car being unreliable keeps me away. Horrible trans and numerous other problem areas.......
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I think it's a sharp looking ride minus the blind spot creating panel stuck to the side glass...

It will never challenge the Wrangler, simply based on production and availability.

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Here's pretty good article with pictures:

https://jalopnik.com/what-i-found-wh...r-d-1838080009

Tons of plastic covers, crossover suspension, almost no articulation.

That doesn't look like something I'd take to anything harder than a forest road:


Some may argue that the lack of articulation can be compensated with advanced traction control gizmos. This is true to some point, but the proper flex makes driving over obstacles much more controllable, elegant and enjoyable.
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Preferences /features aside, as someone who's had a lot of experience with Land Rovers, my problem is their reliability. They have the "BMW" problem for me, where after a short while it's nothing but headaches, costly repairs and costly service charges. Not saying Jeeps are rock solid, either, but they're at least cheap to repair and easy to work on without removing tons of plastic and what not in the way.
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