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Old 02-22-2019, 02:31 PM
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P0369 + P06DD OBDII Atrocity

Just driving along in December and my ‘14 GC randomly went into limp mode, ESC light came on, check engine light came on. Trouble code was P0369 intermittent camshaft sensor B. Naturally my powertrain warranty expired in November, so perfect timing. Took it to a Jeep/Chrysler dealership, their techs wasted a week of time and $400 “poking around” and couldn’t diagnose it, wanted to replace cam phasers for $2k on a hunch. I said no. Drove it until I could take it in to a different dealership out of town, got another OBD for P06DD, engine oil sensor. The dealership diagnosed it in two days as an oil galley plug that just “fell out,” somehow?! $1200 to fix it. Seriously Jeep?

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Old 02-22-2019, 02:50 PM   #2
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First off I have to admit I'm a grouchy old ape. Just too old I guess.

One of the things about newer vehicles is due to the complexity it is difficult to diagnose what is wrong with them unless it shows up on their scan. Without that information they are lost, and as you found out the mechanic becomes nothing more than a parts changer hoping that they stumble on what the bad part was.

Gone are the good old days where a good mechanic could diagnose the issue and fix it the first time and send you down the road as a happy customer.

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First off I have to admit I'm a grouchy old ape. Just too old I guess.

One of the things about newer vehicles is due to the complexity it is difficult to diagnose what is wrong with them unless it shows up on their scan. Without that information they are lost, and as you found out the mechanic becomes nothing more than a parts changer hoping that they stumble on what the bad part was.

Gone are the good old days where a good mechanic could diagnose the issue and fix it the first time and send you down the road as a happy customer.
The mechanics at the second dealership are top notch, I got lucky there. It's frustrating since there's a STAR case involving this that the first dealership totally missed, similar P0369 codes have been discussed to length on various other forums and Jeep customer service has gotten involved. From a design perspective, a plug that the entire engine oil pressure relies on that simply fell out? $1600 and a month out of powertrain warranty? I think I can be grouchy about that.
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One month out of power train warranty should be a courtesy repair. Most dealers would do that.
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Welcome to the Forum Karlschuchard,

MannyN states that at "one month out of power train warranty should be a courtesy repair". I agree.
Getting any dealer to agree to that (or FCA) is another matter.
Is that oil plug coming loose a common failure?

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Welcome to the Forum Karlschuchard,

MannyN states that at "one month out of power train warranty should be a courtesy repair". I agree.
Getting any dealer to agree to that (or FCA) is another matter.
Is that oil plug coming loose a common failure?

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I'm not *sure* but the mechanic at the good dealership knew almost right away what to check etc so I'm guessing yes. I've been browsing the JK forum and I've found a number of threads on there re: that issue. I brought this up to Jeep customer service and they've been really nice helping me get this sorted out. They're checking if this would normally be covered under the powertrain warranty right now. Will update once it's sorted. Overall though, the good dealership and Jeep CS have been great.
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I'm not *sure* but the mechanic at the good dealership knew almost right away what to check etc so I'm guessing yes. I've been browsing the JK forum and I've found a number of threads on there re: that issue. I brought this up to Jeep customer service and they've been really nice helping me get this sorted out. They're checking if this would normally be covered under the powertrain warranty right now. Will update once it's sorted. Overall though, the good dealership and Jeep CS have been great.
Mini-update, Jeep CS said the oil pump and oil pan are typically covered under the powertrain warranty but were unsure/it's unlikely the oil galley bolts are but are following up with the dealership.

Crazy if system-critical bolts randomly falling out inside the engine isn't a warranty/recall issue.
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One month out of power train warranty should be a courtesy repair. Most dealers would do that.

They would be more inclined to do it if the Jeep owner was a long-time customer.
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Hi All, I am getting P06DD, P0344, P0369, P0394 (not all at once).
Jeep JK with 57k (km) on clock, 2015 Sport, RHD.

The mechanic cleaned up the camshaft position sensors, changed the Camshaft Position Sensor Connector.
The wiring was checked and some bits replaced.
He took off PCM connectors and sprayed with Contact Cleaner spray

None of that worked.

It is currently in the shop (under warranty) to fix. They were planning to:

1. remove timing covers
2. check oil galley bolts
3. replace camshaft position sensors
4. replace oil pump
5. check that timing is correct (apparently Jeep changed timing chain etc. according to service records. Not sure why at 50k)

The mechanic has pulled it all apart and swears that the timing is out on both cylinder heads (I am sceptical)

He also says that there is an issue with the oil pump but he hasn't said what the issue is.

He is confident that this will fix the issue (I wish I was)

To replicate it is as follows: The camshaft position sensor DTCs come on during a very long uphill high speed straight. Constant throttle, engine under load, around 3000 rpm. Engine has usually been running / driven for an hour or so. The CEL comes on and a split second later the ABS / Skid light comes on once C121C triggers. The car goes into a limp home mode and won't rev above 3000 rpm. Stopping and starting engine clears ABS / Skid light and engine operates as normal.

I am determined to resolve this....
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Welcome to the Forum limaynard,

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Good Luck, L.M.
Thanks, I will post up result when jeep is back in new year.

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The mechanics at the second dealership are top notch, I got lucky there. It's frustrating since there's a STAR case involving this that the first dealership totally missed, similar P0369 codes have been discussed to length on various other forums and Jeep customer service has gotten involved. From a design perspective, a plug that the entire engine oil pressure relies on that simply fell out? $1600 and a month out of powertrain warranty? I think I can be grouchy about that.
Im a grouchy old fart too. My explanation? Chrysler,Fiat,Puegot,Dalmier,bla,bla or whoever they are now, are a disgrace to Jeep quality and the automotive world. Just got done swapping engines out of a early 00 GC, What a pos of a mess. Never again. Dont do yo much good but theres a reason people say Jeep stand for Just Empty Every Pocket.
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Well the JK is currently being re-assembled after 6 weeks in the shop.

I hope it fixes the issues. If it doesn't, where to from here? A new PCM (I was thinking of a Diablosport unlocked one - kill two birds with one stone)
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They would be more inclined to do it if the Jeep owner was a long-time customer.
Not entirely true. 3 JKU's, 1 dealer, zero help for a 800 miles past warranty issue with an interior part failure. My dealer blows form a service standpoint. The sales side has been reasonable and fair.
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I hope it fixes the issues. If it doesn't, where to from here? A new PCM (I was thinking of a Diablosport unlocked one - kill two birds with one stone)
So it is all back, new oil pump, timing gear, etc. etc. I got 1km before I got p06dd. The mechanic used a non mopar oil filter and I was hoping that would be only issue but took it for a test drive and p0394 under same conditions. Engine load, uphill, highway speed and running for more than 45 mins. We are now scratching our collective heads so it is back in next week for wiring harness checks and then possible PCM replacement. Anybody got any other suggestions?

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So it is all back, new oil pump, timing gear, etc. etc. I got 1km before I got p06dd. The mechanic used a non mopar oil filter and I was hoping that would be only issue but took it for a test drive and p0394 under same conditions. Engine load, uphill, highway speed and running for more than 45 mins. We are now scratching our collective heads so it is back in next week for wiring harness checks and then possible PCM replacement. Anybody got any other suggestions?

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I'm not getting my hopes up but in desperation I considered changing PCM (after all half of the engine has been replaced chasing this issue down). I had to remove bolts to get necessary numbers. I noticed that the earth strap that attaches to the top right hand bolt (left if standing at front of jeep) was not even attached - it was hanging loose and sandwiched between the PCM and washer bottle. I have reconnected it and we'll see how it goes. My mechanic said that they had not removed the PCM so I reckon it's a botched job from previous owner (maybe he had a different PCM in and put it back to stock before trading it)
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I'm not getting my hopes up but in desperation I considered changing PCM (after all half of the engine has been replaced chasing this issue down). I had to remove bolts to get necessary numbers. I noticed that the earth strap that attaches to the top right hand bolt (left if standing at front of jeep) was not even attached - it was hanging loose and sandwiched between the PCM and washer bottle. I have reconnected it and we'll see how it goes. My mechanic said that they had not removed the PCM so I reckon it's a botched job from previous owner (maybe he had a different PCM in and put it back to stock before trading it)
Nope, managed to trigger it again. P0394.

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