Jeep Wrangler Forum banner

P0369 + P06DD OBDII Atrocity

11K views 30 replies 12 participants last post by  marklb35 
#1 ·
Just driving along in December and my ‘14 GC randomly went into limp mode, ESC light came on, check engine light came on. Trouble code was P0369 intermittent camshaft sensor B. Naturally my powertrain warranty expired in November, so perfect timing. Took it to a Jeep/Chrysler dealership, their techs wasted a week of time and $400 “poking around” and couldn’t diagnose it, wanted to replace cam phasers for $2k on a hunch. I said no. Drove it until I could take it in to a different dealership out of town, got another OBD for P06DD, engine oil sensor. The dealership diagnosed it in two days as an oil galley plug that just “fell out,” somehow?! $1200 to fix it. Seriously Jeep?
 
#2 ·
First off I have to admit I'm a grouchy old ape. Just too old I guess.

One of the things about newer vehicles is due to the complexity it is difficult to diagnose what is wrong with them unless it shows up on their scan. Without that information they are lost, and as you found out the mechanic becomes nothing more than a parts changer hoping that they stumble on what the bad part was.

Gone are the good old days where a good mechanic could diagnose the issue and fix it the first time and send you down the road as a happy customer.
 
#3 ·
The mechanics at the second dealership are top notch, I got lucky there. It's frustrating since there's a STAR case involving this that the first dealership totally missed, similar P0369 codes have been discussed to length on various other forums and Jeep customer service has gotten involved. From a design perspective, a plug that the entire engine oil pressure relies on that simply fell out? $1600 and a month out of powertrain warranty? I think I can be grouchy about that.
 
#5 ·
One month out of power train warranty should be a courtesy repair. Most dealers would do that.
 
#6 ·
Welcome to the Forum Karlschuchard,

MannyN states that at "one month out of power train warranty should be a courtesy repair". I agree.
Getting any dealer to agree to that (or FCA) is another matter.
Is that oil plug coming loose a common failure?

Good Luck, L.M.
 
#7 ·
I'm not *sure* but the mechanic at the good dealership knew almost right away what to check etc so I'm guessing yes. I've been browsing the JK forum and I've found a number of threads on there re: that issue. I brought this up to Jeep customer service and they've been really nice helping me get this sorted out. They're checking if this would normally be covered under the powertrain warranty right now. Will update once it's sorted. Overall though, the good dealership and Jeep CS have been great.
 
#10 ·
Hi All, I am getting P06DD, P0344, P0369, P0394 (not all at once).
Jeep JK with 57k (km) on clock, 2015 Sport, RHD.

The mechanic cleaned up the camshaft position sensors, changed the Camshaft Position Sensor Connector.
The wiring was checked and some bits replaced.
He took off PCM connectors and sprayed with Contact Cleaner spray

None of that worked.

It is currently in the shop (under warranty) to fix. They were planning to:

1. remove timing covers
2. check oil galley bolts
3. replace camshaft position sensors
4. replace oil pump
5. check that timing is correct (apparently Jeep changed timing chain etc. according to service records. Not sure why at 50k)

The mechanic has pulled it all apart and swears that the timing is out on both cylinder heads (I am sceptical)

He also says that there is an issue with the oil pump but he hasn't said what the issue is.

He is confident that this will fix the issue (I wish I was)

To replicate it is as follows: The camshaft position sensor DTCs come on during a very long uphill high speed straight. Constant throttle, engine under load, around 3000 rpm. Engine has usually been running / driven for an hour or so. The CEL comes on and a split second later the ABS / Skid light comes on once C121C triggers. The car goes into a limp home mode and won't rev above 3000 rpm. Stopping and starting engine clears ABS / Skid light and engine operates as normal.

I am determined to resolve this....
 
#11 ·
Welcome to the Forum limaynard,

Good Luck, L.M.
 
#16 ·
Well the JK is currently being re-assembled after 6 weeks in the shop.



I hope it fixes the issues. If it doesn't, where to from here? A new PCM (I was thinking of a Diablosport unlocked one - kill two birds with one stone)
So it is all back, new oil pump, timing gear, etc. etc. I got 1km before I got p06dd. The mechanic used a non mopar oil filter and I was hoping that would be only issue but took it for a test drive and p0394 under same conditions. Engine load, uphill, highway speed and running for more than 45 mins. We are now scratching our collective heads so it is back in next week for wiring harness checks and then possible PCM replacement. Anybody got any other suggestions?

Sent from my I4293 using Tapatalk
 
#19 ·
I thought I would provide an update.

Replaced the PCM with a Diablosport unit. I managed to test it today with the 91 tune in it and the fan temp reduced.

The Jeep ran at anywhere between 90-96c which is an improvement on the 99-108 previously.

I could not trigger a camshaft position sensor issue but on the way home, joining the freeway and accelerating hard I got the P06DD DTC.

As the oil pump, sender, etc has been changes, surely it can only be wiring now?
 
#24 ·
Welcome to the Forum @Paparube

Good Luck, L.M.
 
#26 ·
I have these 2 same codes p06dd and p369 not sure what is going on engine was rebuild by my company we did all new parts internals pistons etc

New oil pump from dealer
New oil pressure sensor dealer
Oil filter original
5w30 oil
Changed wiring to oil filter and housing components its a one piece harness
New camshaft sensors oem

I'm just lost runs fine then it goes into limp mode all data and mitchel shows I need to reprogram computer but I'm just lost on this one now I see this a loose or off oil plug galletas but I'm wondering wouldn't that cause 0 psi on oil pressure if its off I mean I rebuild motors for a living just normally deal whit trucks this damn 3.6 just wint cooperate
 
#27 ·
Here’s how can resolve the P06DD code:

  • Add more engine oil after checking oil levels: A high engine oil level increases the oil flowing in the oil path.
  • Change engine oil if the oil is dirty or old: Dirty oil results in poor engine health and clogged oil intake port’s filter. The blocked port restricts the oil entry into the pump while hindering pressure buildup in the circuit.
  • Replace the engine oil filter: Replacement of the oil filter cleans the oil, maintaining the excellent health of your engine.
  • Locate leaks and take proper action to stop leakage: Leaking oil decreases engine oil’s pressure. Fix it to maintain oil pressure within the engine.
  • Check the wiring and positioning of the engine oil pressure sensor: Fix the oil pressure sensor to feed accurate oil pressure values to the PCM.
  • Replace the engine oil pump assembly: Replace the assembly for efficient working of the solenoid.
What are the Possible Causes of the Code P0369 Jeep?
  • Faulty Camshaft Position Sensor
  • Camshaft Position Sensor harness is open or shorted
  • Camshaft Position Sensor circuit poor electrical connection
  • Faulty starter motor
  • Starting system circuit
  • Dead (Weak) battery
 
#29 ·
Thank you for the info u fortunately for me this issue is greater than the simple repair

Engine is new clean and fresh rebuild whit new bearings
Oil pump New
Oil filter oem new
Camshaft new
Almost every single thing is new on the engine im fixing ir for my wife and have dumped way to much money into it lol

Now the issue p06dd is on almost immediately all I see on my scanner is the damn solenoid stuck off but sometimes works fine now once I drive it when it shifts into like 3rd gear the traction light comes on and car goes into limp mode code that comes from that is p0369

If I pull over turn off and on it goes back to normal untill it does it again

I have driven the car for a full day no light nothing but all of the sudden it comes back and it sucks im considering replacing the ecm engine computer since I have checked everything else and replaced all sensors and pump etc its all new oem
 
#28 ·
Welcome to the Forum @marklb35

Karlschuchard hasn't been on the forum since August of 2019. He probably got his issue fixed and hasn't been back since.
That's why we ask members to post the results of the suggestions that other members offer. If a guy posts what he tried and what actually worked, it's sure to help the next guy, even if his solution was to take the Jeep to the dealer or simply sell the doggone thing.

Good Luck, L.M.
 
#31 ·
It depends on what the live data shows on my engine it was showing a on and off scenario which now it shows pump its stuck off from a mechanical stand point that would mean we have a oil leak but the engine is fresh rebuild whit all new internals so it doesent make sense but it definitely sucks to have such a stupid code ruin the car I have spent close to 7 grand on repairs and parts and I'm a mechanic doing the work myself but I need to get to the bottom of it because I'm sure other costumer vehicles will have this issue
 
This is an older thread, you may not receive a response, and could be reviving an old thread. Please consider creating a new thread.
Top