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Old 01-08-2020, 12:21 PM
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Wrangler Hybrid..Screw You, I'm Stoked

I am so looking forward to a Hybrid Wrangler...

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/02/cars/...ids/index.html



I actually now I'm pissed I got my own Wrangler just in 2016...So many are going to knee jerk "It's not 'murican enough' or compare it to a Prius or some other childish nonsense. The fact that Fiat is finally catching up with real life, and facing reality, to me is a step in the right direction...I honestly think they probably want to focus on actual quality first...but ..baby steps..


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So aside from those who will pull the whole "Not mah jeep" or try to downplay anything that promotes innovation, better gas mileage, for whatever reason equating that to it's not being 'man enough' or for 'snowflakes', or how it's not a 'pri-ass' or whatever immature ignorant jokes,... I'm curious to see what you all think? It comes out in 2022 apparently but I may give it a few years to pan out any early design gruff. Anyone going to be thinking about getting one?

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Depends on where they put the batteries and if under the Jeep, how well protected they are.

If it's anything like the 48V battery pack in the JL, no way, Jose.
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Hoping works out. My wife's car will be paid off in less than 4 years and then I'll be over 200K on the Jeep with the hope that it will finally be my turn to a get a brand new one.
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I think it's curious that you think FCA will want to focus on "quality first".

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I have thought about an electric vehicle and wondered about haw having a generator would work. I owned a portable generator that could power all the 110 for a house or just the AC or hot water heater. In any case it would run for up to 12 hours on 5 gallons of gas. So my thought is carry the generator and run it charging the battery. Driving 12 hours on 5 gallons is pretty good. Obviously I haven't done the math to see if this would work. or how far it would really go.
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I am so looking forward to a Hybrid Wrangler...

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/02/cars/...ids/index.html



I actually now I'm pissed I got my own Wrangler just in 2016...So many are going to knee jerk "It's not 'murican enough' or compare it to a Prius or some other childish nonsense. The fact that Fiat is finally catching up with real life, and facing reality, to me is a step in the right direction...I honestly think they probably want to focus on actual quality first...but ..baby steps..


Post CES reports: https://www.quadratec.com/c/blog/fca...ified_jeep_ces




https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/j...brid-ces-2020/



So aside from those who will pull the whole "Not mah jeep" or try to downplay anything that promotes innovation, better gas mileage, for whatever reason equating that to it's not being 'man enough' or for 'snowflakes', or how it's not a 'pri-ass' or whatever immature ignorant jokes,... I'm curious to see what you all think? It comes out in 2022 apparently but I may give it a few years to pan out any early design gruff. Anyone going to be thinking about getting one?

You honestly sound more bitter and angry than anyone who could possibly respond to your post. Make your post with information and statistics and allow others to counter your point.
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I have thought about an electric vehicle and wondered about haw having a generator would work. I owned a portable generator that could power all the 110 for a house or just the AC or hot water heater. In any case it would run for up to 12 hours on 5 gallons of gas. So my thought is carry the generator and run it charging the battery. Driving 12 hours on 5 gallons is pretty good. Obviously I haven't done the math to see if this would work. or how far it would really go.
The house probably AVERAGES* roughly 1kw over that time, or roughly 1.3hp sustained load. You're not driving anywhere averaging 1.3hp motor load.

*I know water heater and AC spike much higher than that, but they run at a low daily duty cycle.
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The house probably AVERAGES* roughly 1kw over that time, or roughly 1.3hp sustained load. You're not driving anywhere averaging 1.3hp motor load.

*I know water heater and AC spike much higher than that, but they run at a low daily duty cycle.
Well I figure that it would work, somebody would have done it already. However in a Jeep, how far would it extent your distance highway? Or would it be a good idea when off road and the battery dies?
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Driving 12 hours on 5 gallons is pretty good.

Hmmm, there's probably some science behind the EPA MPGs. Larger hybrids don't rate significantly better than their gas-only counterparts. Then you go online and read that real-world experience is a bit less.


Also, the EPA MPGs don't count the fuel lost through extra service visits needed for the latest gadgets. Someday they'll figure out how to make it more reliable, and by incurring the costs of early-adopting you get to contribute to that development!
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The magical thinking crowd never ceases to amaze
How do you think they produce the electricity -HINT fossil fuels with a loss of efficiency with each conversion to another type of energy

Electricity ainít free so the mpg numbers are smoke and mirrors

Then look up expected battery life and replacement cost and you will see what an inefficient costly POS a hybrid is
Only works with massive government subsidies

The crap that passes for knowledge and common sense in a public school education these days is scary


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Iím too old and set in my ways to be foolish enough to buy into this. After Iím pushing up daisies the next generation can hash it out. For now fossil fuel is here to stay.
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I have thought about an electric vehicle and wondered about haw having a generator would work. I owned a portable generator that could power all the 110 for a house or just the AC or hot water heater. In any case it would run for up to 12 hours on 5 gallons of gas. So my thought is carry the generator and run it charging the battery. Driving 12 hours on 5 gallons is pretty good. Obviously I haven't done the math to see if this would work. or how far it would really go.
TFL did this on YouTube with a Tesla, or, at least tried to. It didn't work.

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I'm in the wait and see camp. I want to see where they put the battery and what it weighs. I want to see how serviceable it is. I want to see the battery type.

The thing that gets me about these hybrids is that they have a shelf life. The batteries will only take so many charges until they need to be replaced. Depending on how much a replacement battery costs, and how serviceable it is, that may put a shelf life on the vehicle itself. So, assuming the battery is the only limiting factor, will this vehicle still be on the road twenty years from now?
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So, assuming the battery is the only limiting factor, will this vehicle still be on the road twenty years from now?

Donít believe thatís part of the plan. Everything these days is turning to disposable/recyclable, nothing is made to last. Itís a joke, many things are just not economically feasible to recycle and they end up in a dump site (so much for go green). It seems to be a cultural shift in the way young people think, or are taught by God knows who. It is evidenced by lack of certain spare parts for vehicles that are only barely a few years out of production.
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It doesn't matter whether it is an internal combustion engine, a hybrid IC / Electric, or a full electric. They all have parts that can only do so many cycles before they wear out. The full electric has the least number of said parts, and will likely outlast an IC drivetrain. You might have to replace the battery pack, sure. But there are a number of things you won't have to do until then, like oil changes every so many miles.
I would not want to be first in line to buy a Jeep hybrid, mainly because FCA is pretty far behind in that technology and there will be a learning curve. But if they don't start learning soon they will only fall farther behind.

The issue with running an electric car off a generator is the charging system in the car (that is where the charger actually is, an "EV Charging station" is just the power feed to the charger in the car) can't charge the car as fast as you can use the power. Could you design a system that could work? Sure. But most aren't made that way currently. The Chevy Volt was basically made that way, and the current BMW I3 is made that way. But most of the other "hybrid" cars out there are really cars with two different drivetrains. I would love to see a car made along the lines of a Diesel Electric locomotive. And making that as a Jeep would be perfect. Massive amounts of torque, way more than it has now, and good economy under lighter loads. Sign me up. But if FCA is the one making it I will wait for the second or third model year....
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It comes out in 2022 apparently but I may give it a few years to pan out any early design gruff. Anyone going to be thinking about getting one?
From the Q-Tec article...
"Meanwhile this Wrangler delivers on a 2017 promise made by FCA CEO Mike Manley to bring an electric one to market, and the company believes it will be on showroom floors by late this year."
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Donít believe thatís part of the plan. Everything these days is turning to disposable/recyclable, nothing is made to last. Itís a joke, many things are just not economically feasible to recycle and they end up in a dump site (so much for go green). It seems to be a cultural shift in the way young people think, or are taught by God knows who. It is evidenced by lack of certain spare parts for vehicles that are only barely a few years out of production.

Wow, you nailed it, the green movement is a total scam. Recyclable stuff that's not going to be recycled, "fuel-efficient" vehicles that consume as much fuel in extra service visits, auto stop-start vehicles restarting every second as traffic creeps forward, lack of essential parts for vehicles that are still good, waterless urinals, etc., etc.


To answer the previous question, the electric vehicles that are built today will be long gone before you're pushing up daisies, long gone before gas gets expensive.
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My son was talking to me one day about hybrids....I sat him down and said let's do the math....

With the cost comparison between the standard Honda Civic and the Civic hybrid in order to make up for the difference in the purchase price alone (in gas cost) you'd have to drive the hybrid 800k miles before breaking even...and that was only after they started warrantying the batteries for life cutting down on the maintenance costs for the hybrid....

Who keeps their vehicles 800k miles?
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I'm glad someone did the math - basically electrics and hybrids are a fashion statement, which only made it to market because of government subsidies/ tax breaks
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Hybrids IMO are an attempt to solve a problem, but do it poorly. Marketing creates the smoke and mirrors, and no one is allowed to look behind the curtain to see how it ALL really shakes out environmentally and financially. Its not a winning proposition... yet. Weight of cells vs durability is a non starter for me. Not enough value to justify what's happening behind the magic curtain.

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I don't know if anyone has done the math, but my intuition tells me that more hydrocarbons are emitted when producing the electricity that powers an electric vehicle than are saved, when compared to the hydrocarbons emitted by a conventional IC engine to go the same distance.
Just thinkin' out loud.

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I think it has been proven through life cycle analysis that full electric or even hybrid cars actually produce fewer greenhouse gasses over a lifetime of use, even in states like WVA and other that are basically using coal to charge the car.

The major issue with these technologies is they are only being considered competitive because of the government falsely propping the companies up to drive cost down. If that was removed we wouldn't even be considering these cars (or green energy for that matter) competitive.

I hope the tech continues to improve, and the cost goes down because less pollution is better. Just wish the gov't would get their mitts of everything and let the free market do what its meant to do and drive innovation...
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There are of course a few ways to generate electricity without consuming any hydrocarbons in the generation

1) wind (ultimately consumes nuke energy from sun)

2) solar (ultimately consumes nuke energy from sun) although sig hydrocarbon use in making solar energy panels

3) geothermal (ultimately consumes nuke decay energy from earth)

4) wave (consumes orbital kinetic energy from the moon)

5) nuke reactor ie an atomic sub can supply a large amount electricity

6) hydro electric again ultimately from solar radiant energy from sun nuke activity

Then conversions like nuke to electricity to hydrolysis making hydrogen and oxygen to be stored and burnt or used in a fuel cell

But in todayís world fossil fuels are best cheapest generation with the positive of adding fresh water as a product of combustion and plants like co2

The one real upside to burning fossil fuels at a fixed location is able to clean up emissions better at one fixed location esp with coal


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I wouldn't say no one. I'm not well educated on electric vehicles. I watched the video all the way through. I learned that, according to this person, the batteries in EVs use a completely different architecture that almost eliminates charge degradation. Now I have something new to go research.

There are still a few of us out there who are asking questions because we want to know the answer, not because we think we already do.
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Very poor implementation, 16 kWh battery only capable of 30 miles, should be twice that. And of course other issue come in to play like can it handle larger tires, a lift etc. All that will reduce the miles even more.

On the other hand if you have a short compute this could really save you some cash but in the end it will come down price difference.
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With the cost comparison between the standard Honda Civic and the Civic hybrid in order to make up for the difference in the purchase price alone (in gas cost) you'd have to drive the hybrid 800k miles before breaking even...and that was only after they started warrantying the batteries for life cutting down on the maintenance costs for the hybrid....

This turned out to be a good thread because we got another reminder that the economics don't matter to the movement
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