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Old 11-10-2014, 09:46 PM
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2014 3.6l Pentastar: oil drain vs extract through dip stick

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I'd like to hear your opinion on 2014 3.6l Pentastar oil drain vs extract through dip stick tube.
Your replies are greatly appreciated.
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My opinion is that you're more likely to remove contaminants by draining the usual way.

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my opinion is that you're more likely to remove contaminants by draining the usual way.
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Could you clarify as for why you're more likely to remove contaminants by draining the usual way please?
Check out this video to see more in detail... I'm not sure if it folds true in regards to 2014 3.6L Pentastars, but it's rather convincing...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65MMnubY4DA
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Interesting video, it's got me rethinking my decision.
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This clown is just finding this out??? I have used that for years. How do you think you change the oil in a boat and jetskis???? Not all dip sticks go to the bottom of the pan. On marine motors you can see the dipstick on the outside going to the lowest point in the pan. Now on the 3.6 who knows. I would just use the smaller tube and push it into the dipstick tube until it hits the bottom then you know...
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This clown is just finding this out??? I have used that for years. How do you think you change the oil in a boat and jetskis???? Not all dip sticks go to the bottom of the pan. On marine motors you can see the dipstick on the outside going to the lowest point in the pan. Now on the 3.6 who knows. I would just use the smaller tube and push it into the dipstick tube until it hits the bottom then you know...
Obviously this concept isn't new.
I wonder if someone could confirm that on this particular engine the tube would go to the very bottom of the pan... may be someone who works as car / truck mechanic? Please...
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Hey guys. New to the forum but I thought I'd chime in. I changed the oil for the first time in our '13 JKU Rubi (not the vehicle's first change). I did it the old fashioned way and I must say that it was the easiest change I think I've ever done. No cross bar for the oil to splash on, no need to jack the jeep, just remove the plug and you're all set. The filter is on top. I couldn't be happier. ...and I own an extractor.
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The 3.6 oil pan is smooth inside, no weird baffles to trap any oil in, other than the small dip where the drain plug is I would think that you'd get all the oil except for a couple of ounces out especially if you jack up the front end a bit.



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Thanks a lot Sixpack.
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I'd like to know how much oil comes out using this method. If it really works I'm in.
With full skid plates changing my oil the traditional way is a disaster.

Just dumps hot oil all over the inside of the skid plates, runs back to the gas tank and ends up everywhere except catch pan. Tired funnels of various sizes, foil, tubes it's literally just a hot mess.

My dealer even said they will never change my oil again unless I take all the skid plates off. Took them 1/2 hour to clean up the mess it made on their shop floor last time.
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I'd like to know how much oil comes out using this method. If it really works I'm in.
With full skid plates changing my oil the traditional way is a disaster.

Just dumps hot oil all over the inside of the skid plates, runs back to the gas tank and ends up everywhere except catch pan. Tired funnels of various sizes, foil, tubes it's literally just a hot mess.

My dealer even said they will never change my oil again unless I take all the skid plates off. Took them 1/2 hour to clean up the mess it made on their shop floor last time.
You've got the point TrueNorth!!
Could someone PLEASE confirm feasibility of engine oil extraction on 2014 3.6L Pentastar through dip stick?
Please, please, please...
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Not sure if you can get to the bottom of the oil pan through the dipstick tube. Here's what it looks like from underneath with the oil pan removed:

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Yes, it's hard to tell, just by looking at this image...
Could you, may be, try to stick a wire or something through the dip stick and see where it would come out? Please?
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I don't have the oil pan off right now. This was from several months ago. I nominate you to remove your oil pan and conduct this experiment
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Do it the normal way (drain plug). To many times in the Army, we had to remove the drain pan, cause someone used way to much tube (shoved it down the dip stick tube) or the actual tubing would curl up in the pan/windage tray. then would rip the tube in half trying to pull it back out. All this just for an oil sample.

It's much easier to drain by the plug. then to have to drain, pull the pan, pull out knotted up tube, then reseal and install the pan.

The decision is yours.... Just throwing this out there.
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Thanks Halfaday, greatly appreciated.
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Not sure if you can get to the bottom of the oil pan through the dipstick tube. Here's what it looks like from underneath with the oil pan removed:

That doesn't look like you're getting to the bottom of the pan, to me.

Why bother with an extractor? This is one of the easiest vehicles in the world to do an oil change on. You don't need to use a jack, and if you have average-length arms for a guy you don't even have to crawl under the damn thing to easily reach the drain. With the filter up top, it's a piece of cake. And if I had skid plates, I'd spent the $20 on the fumoto valve with the drain hose. It's cheaper than an extractor and less of a hassle.
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If all you want is to remove the oil then yes you can suck it out through the dipstick tube But you are missing a great chance to go over the underside of your jeep and look for loose, damaged, missing or leaking parts plus you need to check other fluids that don't have a dipstick.
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I'd like to know how much oil comes out using this method. If it really works I'm in. With full skid plates changing my oil the traditional way is a disaster. Just dumps hot oil all over the inside of the skid plates, runs back to the gas tank and ends up everywhere except catch pan. Tired funnels of various sizes, foil, tubes it's literally just a hot mess. My dealer even said they will never change my oil again unless I take all the skid plates off. Took them 1/2 hour to clean up the mess it made on their shop floor last time.
You might wanna consider an oil drain valve, such as Fumoto 106, you can attach a tube to it as well.
https://www.wranglerforum.com/f274/al...ve-894265.html
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Why bother with an extractor? This is one of the easiest vehicles in the world to do an oil change on. You don't need to use a jack, and if you have average-length arms for a guy you don't even have to crawl under the damn thing to easily reach the drain. With the filter up top, it's a piece of cake. And if I had skid plates, I'd spent the $20 on the fumoto valve with the drain hose. It's cheaper than an extractor and less of a hassle.
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Does Fumoto valve have magnetic insert?
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Does Fumoto valve have magnetic insert?

It's a valve, why would you have a magnetic insert?
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You know, Hotbro, that ordinary drain plug is magnetic, so metal shavings get caught by it & remain on until you wipe them off during oil change.
Now, if I were to use extraction method to change the oil, I'd still have to drain the oil every fourth or fifth oil change just so I could clean metal shavings off of the drain plug.
Thus, the question is - if I were to use Fumoto valve where would all those metal shaving ended up??? Cylinders? Pistons? DONC system? ... - I wouldn't want that... thank you very much...
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You know, Hotbro, that ordinary drain plug is magnetic, so metal shavings get caught by it & remain on until you wipe them off during oil change.
Now, if I were to use extraction method to change the oil, I'd still have to drain the oil every fourth or fifth oil change just so I could clean metal shavings off of the drain plug.
Thus, the question is - if I were to use Fumoto valve where would all those metal shaving ended up??? Cylinders? Pistons? DONC system? ... - I wouldn't want that... thank you very much...
The factory drain plug is not magnetic. Besides, anything of any significance will be caught by the filter.

You are really over thinking this whole drain or tube extract thing. Unless you got some weird skid plate setup that makes getting to the oil pan drain a pain, draining is the way to go vs. extracting.
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^^ this. And even when with a skid plate you can attach a clear tube to a fumoto valve and drain your oil to any container without making a mess
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The factory drain plug is not magnetic. Besides, anything of any significance will be caught by the filter.

You are really over thinking this whole drain or tube extract thing. Unless you got some weird skid plate setup that makes getting to the oil pan drain a pain, draining is the way to go vs. extracting.
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The factory drain plug is not magnetic. Besides, anything of any significance will be caught by the filter. You are really over thinking this whole drain or tube extract thing. Unless you got some weird skid plate setup that makes getting to the oil pan drain a pain, draining is the way to go vs. extracting.
I believe tip of it actually is, and the OP is right in his theory of cleaning it when doing an oil change. And it does have a magnetic tip on almost all cars, for the very reason OP stated.
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The factory drain plug is not magnetic. Besides, anything of any significance will be caught by the filter.

You are really over thinking this whole drain or tube extract thing. Unless you got some weird skid plate setup that makes getting to the oil pan drain a pain, draining is the way to go vs. extracting.
I didn't know that... for some reason I've assumed that it comes magnetic from the factory...
In that case, Fumoto does make a lotta sense...
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