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Old 11-23-2015, 03:56 PM
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2015 death wobble help plz

Sorry I know I know I've must of read 100 pages but nothing has helped my situation.

2015 jeep jk 2 doors 6 speed manual sport, 9k miles on it. I just installed teraflex 2.5 bb an shock adapters an 17x8 rims 4.5 bs. everything was good. torqued everting to spec nothing lose had a wheel alignment no issues was an felt absolutely stock. 2 weeks later I get a bad death wobble over 30mph. rechecked an torqued everything is ok but still over 30 n a pothole it happens. I took it over to my brothers inlaws shop while not a 4x4 shop more knowledge then me, he uninstalled an reinstalled according to all the directions an other alignment an yet problem is still happening. he is doing research on jeeps now but id figured ill ask the experts an experience here an relay it to him. any advise that can help to my vehicles situation an less of the "use the search functionality" is appreciated as this things does tote a monther n son around. thank you

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Lift the front end off the ground. Check for play in the ball joints, tie rod, and drag link. Replace as necessary.

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Lift the front end off the ground. Check for play in the ball joints, tie rod, and drag link. Replace as necessary.
thank you, ive read that an no I personally have not tired it figuring its pretty much new with low miles I will tell the inlaw
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thank you, ive read that an no I personally have not tired it figuring its pretty much new with low miles I will tell the inlaw
It seems unusual at such low mileage but it's not impossible. You may have gotten a Jeep that got a marginal joint that shouldn't have made it through inspection (if they bother to inspect them).
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Ball joints tie rods drag link all bushing checked an steering stabilizer all fine. The only thing I can't think of is maybe the caster angle or the stock track bar is to short? The reason I went with 2.5 because I thought that was it will I now need adjustable control arms an track bar. Will or can that slight off set be causing the issue
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Is it DW or a shimmy/light shake? Often people confuses DW with other handling issues.
Get some drop brackets or TF fixed front lower control arms. Start with bringing caster back to factory spec.
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Sorry I know I know I've must of read 100 pages but nothing has helped my situation.
Did you read this??

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Sorry I know I know I've must of read 100 pages but nothing has helped my situation.

2015 jeep jk 2 doors 6 speed manual sport, 9k miles on it. I just installed teraflex 2.5 bb an shock adapters an 17x8 rims 4.5 bs. everything was good. torqued everting to spec nothing lose had a wheel alignment no issues was an felt absolutely stock. 2 weeks later I get a bad death wobble over 30mph. rechecked an torqued everything is ok but still over 30 n a pothole it happens. I took it over to my brothers inlaws shop while not a 4x4 shop more knowledge then me, he uninstalled an reinstalled according to all the directions an other alignment an yet problem is still happening. he is doing research on jeeps now but id figured ill ask the experts an experience here an relay it to him. any advise that can help to my vehicles situation an less of the "use the search functionality" is appreciated as this things does tote a monther n son around. thank you
My first thought was/is like others have said, ball joints. With a TF 2.5" bb there should be no issues with the factory control arms, steering or suspension components.

Have you rechecked your wheel balances?
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Reading it now, I did check the ball joint an it's had a hair line movement. I have not however have the wheels rebalanced after the initial it has been only been 20 miles since lift balance an alignment.at low speeds it's a noticeable shimmy below 25 30 above that it's a full on dw needing a full stop for it to end
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Forgive me if you have already checked this, I recall seeing instructions to loosen all bolts with the Jeep in the air then tighten (not torque) the bolts and lower it on the ground before torquing everything down again....just a thought.
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Forgive me if you have already checked this, I recall seeing instructions to loosen all bolts with the Jeep in the air then tighten (not torque) the bolts and lower it on the ground before torquing everything down again....just a thought.
done. even in one of the 100 of pages read they said to rock it back forth side to side to possibly unbind something if anything let it settle n then torque..an yes it was done with out the rocking as well an both attempts have yet to fix it
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did you remove the retainers off the wheel hub studs where the lugnuts go? looks like you installed new rims. most aftermarket rims dont have space for the little steel washer-retainer that sit on stock wheel hubs

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did you remove the retainers off the wheel hub studs where the lugnuts go? looks like you installed new rims. most aftermarket rims dont have space for the little steel washer-retainer that sit on stock wheel hubs

to be honest I don't remember will look first thing in the morning
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Ok so the retainer clips were on, now removed there was definitely shavings on the inside I hope that what it was because I can now see that it wasn't flush... would I have to rebalance n or align again?....ps huge thank you thats first thing that hasn't matched up
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Ok so the retainer clips were on, now removed there was definitely shavings on the inside I hope that what it was because I can now see that it wasn't flush... would I have to rebalance n or align again?....ps huge thank you thats first thing that hasn't matched up
I'd re align since the measurements could have been off with those things in there. Re balance might not be a bad idea with the odd wear the tires have been getting while figuring this one out.
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Ok so I went to the spot that always gave me the dw an now it's just a lil more then a shimmy. Gonna go through retorque everything an get an alignment and balance. I can live with a shimmy but that dw no way. I'll update soon THANK YOU guys soo much who would of thought freaking retainer clips. Love this community...happy holidays everyone
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rebalance probably is not needed, you balance tires off the jeep

alignment, sure, your toe in and camber might be off, not that camber is adjustable anyway

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DW starts about a minute in
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Does this happen at all speeds or only at certain speeds?

If it is only happening at certain speeds, it sounds more like you have a tire out of balance. Try rotating them front to back and see if there is any change.

If it's death wobble, it won't feel any different at all.
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My problem was solved it was the retainer clips. When I put the new wheels on I never popped em out. But it was most certainly a dw. Although I want to tighten up the steering a lil was thinking about control arms to get the casters back to normal or close to... any thoughts or waste of money better spent. Upper or lower?. This is my daily driver with minimal Once twice a month light off roads (logging trails fishing hiking excursions)
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If you're not wheeling on rocks, I would recommend AEV geometry correction brackets over control arms. Adjustable control arms will give you more flex over brackets, but the brackets will be less expensive.
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Here is the best explanation of DW cause and cure that I have found. And of course it is on the forum.

https://www.wranglerforum.com/f202/di...les-78034.html

Keep in mind that while the Jeep is somewhat notorious for DW, mainly because of lifts and other modifications, it is not the only vehicle so afflicted. Any vehicle with coil springs and link suspension can be afflicted. Some of the videos I have seen are of the Dodge Ram and F250 trucks which have suffered as well. There was even a posting of an older GMC pickup with leaf springs in the front (ala CJ and YJ). The cause was very unusual though in that they discovered the spring pak on the front had never been bolted to the axle allowing the axle to move right and left. Installing the proper bolts ended the issue. If only DW in our Jeeps could be as easily solved.

Also check the castor. While this video talks about the Ford Super Duty, caster can also be an issue for us. During an alignment on my 2003 Rubicon, I was informed that the caster was off and required cam bolts to be installed. While $200 was nothing to sneeze at, it drives like a dream now. Note: I never encountered DW, but if it had been a bit more out I might have.

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