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Old 12-24-2016, 10:27 AM
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3.6L Exhaust - Borla? Dirt Sport?

I am looking for the best sounding exhaust for my JKU with the 3.6L.

For me, the driving experience is greatly improved with a nice sounding exhaust note. I realize it's a Chrysler V6, and will never sound like my Porsche 911 (3.6L flat six), but I need something better than stock. I want something that sounds great on startup, and when you hit the throttle, but is quiet when cruising. It's definitely possible, my Porsche has a simple passive exhaust, and it hits all of those.

My 4.0L TJ has a Magnaflow that I am very happy with, but the YouTube videos of JK's with a Magnaflow just don't do it for me. When I 1st got the Magnaflow on the TJ it sounded kind of raspy, and was a little annoying on throttle, but after a couple hundred miles it seemed to clam down, and sounds great now.

After looking for JK exhausts, it seems Borla is the only manufacture to use 304, everyone else uses 409. This makes me lean towards the Borla just for the corrosion resistance since I live the salt belt.

Now Borla makes 3 different systems (I'll ignore all the ones with dual tips - looks dumb to me, and just one more thing to crush on the trail) They have a 'climber' which replaces the Y pipe and does not exit under the bumper
Borla® 140634 "Climber" Cat Back Exhaust System for 12-17 Jeep® Wrangler Unlimited JK 4 Door | Quadratec

They have a 'dirt sport' which looks like a nice lightweight system
BorlaĀ® T-304 Stainless Steel Cat-Backā„¢ "Dirt Sport" Exhaust for 12-16 JeepĀ® Wrangler Unlimited JK 4 Door with 3.6L | Quadratec

And a more normal cat back system
BorlaĀ® 140461 T-304 Stainless Steel Cat-Backā„¢ Exhaust for 12-17 JeepĀ® Wrangler Unlimited JK 4 Door with 3.6L | Quadratec

I am kind of leaning towards the dirt sport since it is the cheapest and lightest, though wish I could get it w/o the tip exiting under the bumper.

Anyone have any experience they'd like to share?

What's the advantage of replacing the y pipe?

I believe any system will work with a manual tranny, and AEV 4.5" lift (planned)
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Happy with my Gibson dual exhaust. Defiantly gives my Jeep much better sound at idle and through the RPM's with no drone.
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I'm Uber happy with my aFe scorpion. no drone at cruising speefs but sounds nice when you get on the gas. Probably too quiet for you at idle but sounds perfect to me. tucks up high as well.
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I second the AFE high tuck axle back. I have the same as pictured above but in stainless. I did have some surface rust after a couple NE TN winters but nothing a good cleaning with some stainless polish didn't take care of. I'm going to give it another good cleaning this spring now that I am in GA out of the snow again and coat it with shark hide.
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I second the AFE high tuck axle back. I have the same as pictured above but in stainless. I did have some surface rust after a couple NE TN winters but nothing a good cleaning with some stainless polish didn't take care of. I'm going to give it another good cleaning this spring now that I am in GA out of the snow again and coat it with shark hide.
I really was torn I wanted the stainless but wanted to paint it black so went the cheaper route.
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So there's no drone on this afe exhaust?
I'd want it only louder during acceleration, not city and Highway driving.
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Interesting, a few different systems, but no one with a Borla.
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I'm also interested in the dirt sport or the climber version. I wonder if the climber version eliminates the need for exhaust spacers with a lift?


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I'll be going with this system too. Love the note.
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So there's no drone on this afe exhaust?
I'd want it only louder during acceleration, not city and Highway driving.
It's quiet at steady cruise/throttle.
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I'll be going with this system too. Love the note.
Me too. The first 500-1000 Miles are questionable, but after it settles in it sounds fantastic!
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I'm Uber happy with my aFe scorpion. no drone at cruising speefs but sounds nice when you get on the gas. Probably too quiet for you at idle but sounds perfect to me. tucks up high as well.
Definitely a fan of the aFe high tucks... More than just sound. Actually out of the way for use off road.
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I am looking for the best sounding exhaust for my JKU with the 3.6L.

For me, the driving experience is greatly improved with a nice sounding exhaust note. I realize it's a Chrysler V6, and will never sound like my Porsche 911 (3.6L flat six), but I need something better than stock. I want something that sounds great on startup, and when you hit the throttle, but is quiet when cruising. It's definitely possible, my Porsche has a simple passive exhaust, and it hits all of those.

My 4.0L TJ has a Magnaflow that I am very happy with, but the YouTube videos of JK's with a Magnaflow just don't do it for me. When I 1st got the Magnaflow on the TJ it sounded kind of raspy, and was a little annoying on throttle, but after a couple hundred miles it seemed to clam down, and sounds great now.

After looking for JK exhausts, it seems Borla is the only manufacture to use 304, everyone else uses 409. This makes me lean towards the Borla just for the corrosion resistance since I live the salt belt.

Now Borla makes 3 different systems (I'll ignore all the ones with dual tips - looks dumb to me, and just one more thing to crush on the trail) They have a 'climber' which replaces the Y pipe and does not exit under the bumper
Borla® 140634 "Climber" Cat Back Exhaust System for 12-17 Jeep® Wrangler Unlimited JK 4 Door | Quadratec

They have a 'dirt sport' which looks like a nice lightweight system
BorlaĀ® T-304 Stainless Steel Cat-Backā„¢ "Dirt Sport" Exhaust for 12-16 JeepĀ® Wrangler Unlimited JK 4 Door with 3.6L | Quadratec

And a more normal cat back system
BorlaĀ® 140461 T-304 Stainless Steel Cat-Backā„¢ Exhaust for 12-17 JeepĀ® Wrangler Unlimited JK 4 Door with 3.6L | Quadratec

I am kind of leaning towards the dirt sport since it is the cheapest and lightest, though wish I could get it w/o the tip exiting under the bumper.

Anyone have any experience they'd like to share?

What's the advantage of replacing the y pipe?

I believe any system will work with a manual tranny, and AEV 4.5" lift (planned)
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I love these kind of questions. No matter what forum I'm on. Always get a smile.

Sound is subjective...... PERIOD.

1000 people hate borla 1000 people love borla etc etc etc.

Every single human ear is different and each hear tones differently.
ZERO are alike. But more or less grouped together. Hearing thresholds are vastly different


There is no "best"
It's whatever suits you.

Stainless.

Another awesome subject.

My 1998 Audi has the original exhaust, not stainless and has 198k miles on it.

Pay more for 304. It's worth it!!! Hahahahah

How long have you owned you last 5 vehicles? 200k miles??? I bet not!
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I love these kind of questions. No matter what forum I'm on. Always get a smile.

Sound is subjective...... PERIOD.

1000 people hate borla 1000 people love borla etc etc etc.

Every single human ear is different and each hear tones differently.
ZERO are alike. But more or less grouped together. Hearing thresholds are vastly different


There is no "best"
It's whatever suits you.

Stainless.

Another awesome subject.

My 1998 Audi has the original exhaust, not stainless and has 198k miles on it.

Pay more for 304. It's worth it!!! Hahahahah

How long have you owned you last 5 vehicles? 200k miles??? I bet not!
Thread creep to Audi since you mentioned it...I just sold the old family car/ski wagon which got handed down to poor old Dad as an airport car/DD.

1997 A6 Quattro Wagon..you guessed it 198k on the original exhaust and Audi bulletproof 2.8. Still running strong. What a car. Hated to see her go. But my new Rubicon is making me feel a little better...
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For sound, I like the combination of the Magnaflow exhaust and the Mopar CAI... When you get on it, the little V6 sounds surprisingly impressive.

MF exhaust looks good too, imho.
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I love these kind of questions. No matter what forum I'm on. Always get a smile.

Sound is subjective...... PERIOD.

1000 people hate borla 1000 people love borla etc etc etc.

Every single human ear is different and each hear tones differently.
ZERO are alike. But more or less grouped together. Hearing thresholds are vastly different


There is no "best"
It's whatever suits you.

Stainless.

Another awesome subject.

My 1998 Audi has the original exhaust, not stainless and has 198k miles on it.

Pay more for 304. It's worth it!!! Hahahahah

How long have you owned you last 5 vehicles? 200k miles??? I bet not!
My Porsche has 124k
The TJ has about the same
To change the spark plugs on a 911 it's much easier to remove the mufflers 1st.

I'm guessing on the Jeep I'll have a need to remove the exhaust at some point for some reason.
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I'm also interested in the dirt sport or the climber version. I wonder if the climber version eliminates the need for exhaust spacers with a lift?


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I'm not clear if it does or not. I sent Borla an email, waiting for a response. Though, supposedly, a new front driveshaft is the best way to deal with the exhaust interference on lifted 3.6L JK's.
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Interesting, a few different systems, but no one with a Borla.
Running Magnaflow which IMO is enough "performance" muffler for a JK. Other runner-ups were Gibson or FlowMaster. I associate Borla with sports cars and higher cost exhaust systems.
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I run a Pypes exhaust and love it. Has just enough rumble to it and does sound hollow. I've gotten plenty of compliments from fellow Jeepers
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Stainless Magnaflow tucked up high, dual exhaust with tips coming out near tow hooks. Just installed last week, sound is improved over stock system and seems to be improving since install. Love the sound! Medium tone.
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Nothing can be simple can it?

Been a while since I updated this thread, but basically I've narrowed it down to either the Borla Climber or the Banks. The Dirt Sport has some reviews that it is loud / drones. Also, while it does move the muffler to the middle, it still hangs below the frame. The normal Borla Touring cat back system is quite expensive, and it looks like the muffler hangs quite low.

I talked to someone at Borla today, he seemed pretty knowledgeable about Jeeps. It wasn't quite clear to me if the front driveshaft would hit with 4.5" of lift and the Climber system. He said something like it's designed for the stock Jeep, but they test fit it on one with about 3" of lift. I asked if it could be installed w/o the small loop delete pipe.

He said no, because that flange had to be moved up to get the clearance. Seems weird to me that they would keep a flange there and not just use an accuseal clamp. I noted the 3.8l system doesn't include the crossover and loop delete. He said that won't fit a 2017 because the exhaust hangers moved like an inch for the 3.6l Jeeps. I checked the BOM's, the parts that look the same between the systems have different part numbers. He also claimed even with the loop delete it adds power everywhere, peaking at +11 hp at 5k. I really like this system, but don't want to have to cut the loop out in case I want to change in the future. He did mention it's loud, but all the info I've found seems to show owners are happy with the sound.

So, my thought next was I'd go with Banks. I like the youtube sounds of the Banks, it seems to tuck reasonably high, and the mirror polish should help with corrosion resistance. I thought this would be a reasonable cheaper exhaust. I start reading the install directions, and discover it requires cutting just behind the resonator!

Sometimes it seems I just can't win.
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Thanks for the update.

That seems odd that they put a flange on there, but aFe has a y-pipe without the loop delete. I'm starting to lean going with that y-pipe and either the aFe 49-46218 MACH Force-Xp or picking a muffler and having a local shop pipe it for me.

I'm in the salt belt as well, although we usually use salt brines with beet juice on the roads which don't seem to be as corrosive as rock salt.
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I highly recommend the Legato Performance Exhaust. The sound and build quality are fantastic and it is significant cheaper than other, similar sounding exhausts.
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I've been eyeing that climber exhaust. Borla is top quality. I had a Borla on my TJ and loved it. I checked out a couple of the other recommendations on WF but still leaning toward the climber. Strange he said its designed for a stock jeep? Every jeep I've seen it on seems to be lifted and pretty heavily modified. Seems like stock jeeps don't usually add a cat back performance exhaust.
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Flowmaster American Thunder series. Love the sound—get lots of compliments. Also like that it's high tuck.
This is what I got too and I love it. The only issue I had installing on my 4 door was it didn't match up to one of the hangers. Other than that it was a fast and easy install and sounds great.

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This is what I got too and I love it. The only issue I had installing on my 4 door was it didn't match up to one of the hangers. Other than that it was a fast and easy install and sounds great.

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Had the same problem. Ended up installing that first then monkey'ing it into place. Well worth it though. I MAY go back and shorten the mid pipe to back it off the rear cross member a hair.

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