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Old 03-11-2019, 07:14 PM
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33x10 without lift?

Just bought the wife a 2017 2-door JK. Here and there I've read that 33x10 works with the stock setup (no body/suspension lift), perhaps with some rubbing at full lock.

We've never owned a Wrangler but she's always wanted one. Off-roading will almost certainly be limited to the beach and other low-intensity stuff ... she wants the look. So can I go to a 33" tire without adding lift? I'm not opposed to lifting it (I used to offroad a big old V10 Ram 2500HD) but frankly she'd be happier if I spent that money on stereo parts. Yes, mall-crawler.

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Just bought the wife a 2017 2-door JK. Here and there I've read that 33x10 works with the stock setup (no body/suspension lift), perhaps with some rubbing at full lock.

We've never owned a Wrangler but she's always wanted one. Off-roading will almost certainly be limited to the beach and other low-intensity stuff ... she wants the look. So can I go to a 33" tire without adding lift? I'm not opposed to lifting it (I used to offroad a big old V10 Ram 2500HD) but frankly she'd be happier if I spent that money on stereo parts. Yes, mall-crawler. [IMG class=inlineimg]https://www.wranglerforum.com/../images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG]
285/70-17 with a 1.25" wheel spacer and a Teraflex leveling kit... Easy, cheap, looks good and works.

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Old 04-15-2019, 05:12 AM
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285/70-17 with a 1.25" wheel spacer and a Teraflex leveling kit... Easy, cheap, looks good and works.
It does indeed!

Haven't done the leveling kit yet -- I have it, but of course, it was in the air on jack-stands when I opened the instructions, which begin, "With the vehicle on the ground..."
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those wheels/tires look pretty sharp
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I was planning on also putting on 33's with a 2" lift but re-gearing to (4.10) is too much money. Running 33's with 3.73 gears would be like having 32's with 3.21 gears, which I didn't want/like.
For that reason I'll stick with 32's when I swap my OEM tires for some boots (Cooper STT Pro).
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255/80-17 fits with no other mods.
https://www.discounttiredirect.com/f...size/255-80-17

I ran 255/80-17 Cooper ST-Maxx on mine at stock height for the first 40,000 or so miles.

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When I tried to run 285/75-16 tires on my first JK with no lift but with aftermarket wheels with 4.5" backspacing, I kept popping my rear fenders off.

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I was planning on also putting on 33's with a 2" lift but re-gearing to (4.10) is too much money. Running 33's with 3.73 gears would be like having 32's with 3.21 gears, which I didn't want/like.
For that reason I'll stick with 32's when I swap my OEM tires for some boots (Cooper STT Pro).
My stock 32's & 3.21 gears in my '14 2 door work just fine. I also have no fear of moving up to 285/70's soon. If I was rock crawling or doing technical trails it would suck, but daily driving and moderate wheeling is no issue. 3.21 is not the devil many make it out to be, especially in a 2 door.
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those wheels/tires look pretty sharp
Thanks, she's very happy with the setup. ProComp tires, they look pretty good for ATs. She picked wheels that have little plastic trim bits around the edge, so I color-matched them for her. Some folks said the Mopar rattle-can purple paint doesn't match well, but it looked pretty dead-on to me (three coats of VHT etching primer, four coats of purple, three coats of clear).

Going to 3D print some center caps to get rid of that hideous manufacturer logo. I don't know why truck wheels are all made with those gigantic obnoxious dually-looking center caps these days and giant garish logos.
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255/80-17 fits with no other mods.
https://www.discounttiredirect.com/f...size/255-80-17

I ran 255/80-17 Cooper ST-Maxx on mine at stock height for the first 40,000 or so miles.

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When I tried to run 285/75-16 tires on my first JK with no lift but with aftermarket wheels with 4.5" backspacing, I kept popping my rear fenders off.

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Hello @Hilldweller , new to the forum, nice to meet you.

Could you tell me what you thought of the ST Maxx's in 255/80/17? I am needing tires soon, and was looking to go up to ~33 (probably with a leveling kit if I do). I am trying to keep my 75th wheels for now, but I want to avoid spacers if possible, so I have been looking the past couple days at 255s. And in that size it looks like the contenders are the ST Maxx, Wildpeaks, Open Country AT II's and the Ridge Grapplers. I was KIND OF leaning towards Wildpeaks if I do 255.

This thing is my daily driver as of now, mostly highway, and IF I even see any offroading any time soon it will be super light stuff at most. So mainly I am looking for the best overall road manners between these choices; namely wet traction, and winter traction (which you probably can't chime in on that much ).

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jethro65, after several thousand miles on these ProComp tires, I would recommend them highly to anyone in the market for ATs. They're made by Cooper. Living in the Land of Afternoon Storms, I can tell you that wet traction is great. Good at the beach. Great on the road / highway. I like them well enough that I'll be putting them on the second JK I'm planning to buy for myself later this year.
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jethro65, after several thousand miles on these ProComp tires, I would recommend them highly to anyone in the market for ATs. They're made by Cooper. Living in the Land of Afternoon Storms, I can tell you that wet traction is great. Good at the beach. Great on the road / highway. I like them well enough that I'll be putting them on the second JK I'm planning to buy for myself later this year.

Thanks for the input. I assume you are talking about these?

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Based on your earlier reply I take it you went with the 285s? I am trying to retain my factory 75th wheels but don't want to use spacers if I can help it, so that's why I am starting to look into the 255s. If I do break down and just run 285s with spacers though, I will look into the Pro Comps as well.
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Pro Comp tires are now made by Maxxis... That isn't a bad thing, but they cost the same as any other premium brand tire. The Wildpeak's are a better value for sure.
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Hello @Hilldweller , new to the forum, nice to meet you.

Could you tell me what you thought of the ST Maxx's in 255/80/17? ...
Thanks in advance.
I liked them so much that I'll go back to a 255/85-16 on my next set. You retain your fuel economy with the 255s -- less rolling resistance and lighter.
I've got 16" wheels now to match my teardrop and would already be running 255s except I needed tires in a hurry and they weren't in stock locally.

Consider Mastercraft Courser CXT LT255/80R17 E/10PR BSW Tires --- made by Cooper and is the ST-Maxx with a different label. You can usually find them priced lower.
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285/70-17 with a 1.25" wheel spacer and a Teraflex leveling kit... Easy, cheap, looks good and works.
I am contemplating this very setup, although I thought 1.5 spacer was the norm. How would 1.25 and 1.5 differ besides the obvious?
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Just put on 285/70R17 BFG AT on my 2011 2dr. JK. Rides nice, feel the difference in the weight of the tire. Tire shop put on my Spidertrax 1.5 spacers for free. Looks nice, with plenty of clearance.
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I am contemplating this very setup, although I thought 1.5 spacer was the norm. How would 1.25 and 1.5 differ besides the obvious?
Very little difference. The 1.25 just keeps the tire closer to matching the fender width. A little better for areas where the law states the fender must cover the tire.
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285/70-17 with a 1.25" wheel spacer and a Teraflex leveling kit... Easy, cheap, looks good and works.
Thanks again for the quick answer (even though I now realize I showed up and asked one of the Standard Off-the-Shelf N00b Questions). Finally got that level kit on there. Mall parking lots tremble in fear at my wife's approach! (Seriously though, I think it looks pretty good and for what is primarily a commuter, no need to go bigger. And more importantly -- she's happy.)
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Thanks again for the quick answer (even though I now realize I showed up and asked one of the Standard Off-the-Shelf N00b Questions). Finally got that level kit on there. Mall parking lots tremble in fear at my wife's approach! (Seriously though, I think it looks pretty good and for what is primarily a commuter, no need to go bigger. And more importantly -- she's happy.)
Yep, I like it. Pretty much just what my daughters 2dr looks like.
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I finally had a chance to drive it around yesterday -- leveling had a much bigger impact on handling and braking than I expected. I'd also been meaning to air down her tires a little, they were still at 35 PSI from when they were mounted a few months back. Even dropping only 2 PSI made a big difference in general smoothness and response to potholes and bumps, although I was surprised how much louder they are with such a small change.

So glad I have a two-post lift in the garage -- much respect to anybody who does suspension work on the ground on their driveway! The TF instructions aren't great (and have you disassemble a lot of things that aren't really necessary) but as usual, YouTube came to the rescue. I feel like 4 hours is longer than it should have taken me, but now that I've done it once, I think when I get a JK of my own I'll be able to knock it out in half that time or less. I wasted a ton of time trying to get that rear spacer to pop into the hole in the body until I found a video where the guy used a bottle jack to force it in (genius).

I have to admit I couldn't quite torque the top rear track bar bolt to 125 ft-lbs while laying on my back. Tore a muscle and gave up, it's super tight, close I think, but I'll get it properly torqued when I have the alignment done next week. I was told it "probably" wouldn't need alignment but it's off very slightly -- possibly made worse by also doing a 5-tire rotation and putting that spare on the road for the first time.
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I finally had a chance to drive it around yesterday -- leveling had a much bigger impact on handling and braking than I expected. I'd also been meaning to air down her tires a little, they were still at 35 PSI from when they were mounted a few months back. Even dropping only 2 PSI made a big difference in general smoothness and response to potholes and bumps, although I was surprised how much louder they are with such a small change.

So glad I have a two-post lift in the garage -- much respect to anybody who does suspension work on the ground on their driveway! The TF instructions aren't great (and have you disassemble a lot of things that aren't really necessary) but as usual, YouTube came to the rescue. I feel like 4 hours is longer than it should have taken me, but now that I've done it once, I think when I get a JK of my own I'll be able to knock it out in half that time or less. I wasted a ton of time trying to get that rear spacer to pop into the hole in the body until I found a video where the guy used a bottle jack to force it in (genius).

I have to admit I couldn't quite torque the top rear track bar bolt to 125 ft-lbs while laying on my back. Tore a muscle and gave up, it's super tight, close I think, but I'll get it properly torqued when I have the alignment done next week. I was told it "probably" wouldn't need alignment but it's off very slightly -- possibly made worse by also doing a 5-tire rotation and putting that spare on the road for the first time.
Thanks for keeping this thread alive! I've been researching the same lift/spacer/tire combo and reading through your experience has helped. Your wife's rig looks great! Love the wheels and the side-by-side, what a huge difference.
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I have a 2015 JKUR and just purchased the same TF Leveling kit with 1.5” spacers for use with my stock wheels. I have quite a bit of tread left on my factory BFG MT’s so it will be a while before I get new tires. I like the idea of 255/80-17’s, 10 lbs. lighter than the 285/70-17’s, but all I can find are E range. Is this too stiff a sidewall for the Jeep, and if not what pressures are people running? Also, I’m looking for the torque specs. For the tracbar, sway links, shocks, etc. that would be affected when installing this kit.
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I googled for the torque specs, quite a few sites such as QT have them, some lists are more complete than others.

This was a pretty handy video overall for installing the leveling kit (with the bottle jack idea).

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Thank you for the video link mcguirev10! My leveling kit and spacers should arrive any day now. For the stock tires I know where I want to be for air pressure, but with the 255/80-17’s I’ll chalk test and adjust accordingly. I’m waiting for the factory MT’s to burn up, then I’m leaning towards the Nitto Ridge Grappler’s. Still E range tires, but will offer great protection on the curbs .
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There has been some discussion of load range E tires, I'd search before buying. In my opinion the sidewall would be too stiff for my taste but I can't remember how the discussions went from people with more experience, as I'm not a buyer in any case.

I think you'll find on many of the wide, large-sidewall tires that Jeeps typically run, the chalk test looks good across a pretty wide range of pressures. I'd say it's probably better to find a pressure that gives the feel (and noise level) you're comfortable with and then just watch tread-wear for signs of over- or under-inflation. I had weird-sized 16.5" diameter wheels on my Ram which limited my tire choices. I ran Mickey Thompson Baja Belted M/Ts on it mostly, and that tread is butter-soft (basically sand tires) and got very good at spotting and averting cupping and other wear issues. There is a ton of information with pictures available online, it isn't too hard to get up to speed on tire wear these days.
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you can ALWAYS cut the fenders if they rub too much, I have a 2 inch lift on mine, but that is because I like the Flat fender look.
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you can ALWAYS cut the fenders if they rub too much, I have a 2 inch lift on mine, but that is because I like the Flat fender look.
Are those just trimmed OEM fenders? I wouldn't have guessed. Looks good.
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Also, I’m looking for the torque specs. For the tracbar, sway links, shocks, etc. that would be affected when installing this kit.
Yesterday I noticed my Post-It Note with torque numbers was still on the bench so I figured I'd copy them here for you. All ft-lbs of course. The TF kit says to use 75 ft-lbs top and bottom for the tie-rods but I felt better about sticking with the factory numbers.

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I just installed the TF leveling kit and 1.5” spacers yesterday while retaining the stock wheels and tires. I have never been a fan of the factory rake, this kit looks good, rides better, and will clear the bigger tires when I get them. Thank you for the specs.
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Are those just trimmed OEM fenders? I wouldn't have guessed. Looks good.

Yep. Trimmed 1/4 " after the bend

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