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Old 02-25-2017, 04:06 PM
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Anyone w experience using ProCal and TrailCal/ TrailDash

Anyone w experience using both ProCal and TrailCal/ TrailDash?
I set my tire size using the ProCal unit last Spring. I am pretty certain I set size to 33.75".
I just installed a Superchips TrailCal and it is showing tire size as 33".
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Before you do any settings with the Traildash, reset the Procal to factory. That way you know for sure what the Traildash sees. Then you can set everything with the Traildash. Due to an engine running hot issue that may be related to my Traildash 2, I reset everything to stock with the Traildash then set tires, lights and pressure with the Procal. Using the Traildash as an expensive instrument cluster for now.

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Before you do any settings with the Traildash, reset the Procal to factory. That way you know for sure what the Traildash sees. Then you can set everything with the Traildash. Due to an engine running hot issue that may be related to my Traildash 2, I reset everything to stock with the Traildash then set tires, lights and pressure with the Procal. Using the Traildash as an expensive instrument cluster for now.
Why would you have a hot run condition? Was it related to a "tune".

BTW, not sure I want to set ProCal back to factory and reprogram w/ Superchips unit as I have read using ProCal does not require reset when taking Jeep to dealer , but Superchips does. That would put me in limp mode as I have reheated to 4.56.
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Anyone w experience using both ProCal and TrailCal/ TrailDash?
I set my tire size using the ProCal unit last Spring. I am pretty certain I set size to 33.75".
I just installed a Superchips TrailCal and it is showing tire size as 33".
Any ideas?
Is your speedometer correct? It sounds like you're running 35s, right?

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Is your speedometer correct? It sounds like you're running 35s, right?

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Yes speedo is correct. I checked it today. GPS vs TrailCal vs speedo gauge in Jeep.
I'm more wondering why the difference. I also noticed the tire pressure threshold is showing 25 lb when I know I set it to 24 lb w/ the ProCal.
Gear ratio is fine.
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I've had similar experiences with these things. Neither the devices nor the jeep PCMs are sophisticated electronics. BTW, nothing the *cal products change anything that you'd have to reset before taking it in for service. The Traildash will, but only if you write one of its tunes to the PCM.

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I've had similar experiences with these things. Neither the devices nor the jeep PCMs are sophisticated electronics. BTW, nothing the *cal products change anything that you'd have to reset before taking it in for service. The Traildash will, but only if you write one of its tunes to the PCM.

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Thanks for the info. I read something in a post from a AEV Tech regarding the resetting thing... he did mention the names of various "tuners" that are available... I guess he probably was referring to adding a "tune".
Maybe I'll play around w/ resetting the AEV Procal then reprogramming w/ the TrailCal.
I assume I would stick w/ the 33.75" tire setting as my starting point.
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Yeah, whatever number makes the speedo right is the rolling diameter, by definition.

What tires are you running, BTW?

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Yeah, whatever number makes the speedo right is the rolling diameter, by definition.

What tires are you running, BTW?

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Using the Traildash to program tire size, pressure and running no lights messed up the cooling fan. It came on at 175 and off at 185 then did not come on at normal temperature at all. Also the fan adjustment in the Traildash tunes does not work.
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That's an odd thing. Did it do that consistently, meaning did it do it even after resetting to stock and reprogramming? TD or TD2?

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After resetting to stock all worked fine. Did the same thing with a Traildash 1 but I was to stupid to figure it it and a different dealer replaced the fan and controler to get the fan to work.
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After resetting to stock all worked fine. Did the same thing with a Traildash 1 but I was to stupid to figure it it and a different dealer replaced the fan and controler to get the fan to work.
Did replacing the Jeep parts fix anything or was it b0rked until you reset the Superchips unit?

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Using the Traildash to program tire size, pressure and running no lights messed up the cooling fan. It came on at 175 and off at 185 then did not come on at normal temperature at all. Also the fan adjustment in the Traildash tunes does not work.
Did you ever experiment to see if a single change caused the issue or if it was a combo of 2 or all 3?

What temp is fan supposed to come on at? What temp is engine supposed to run at?
I noticed the engine coolant temp fluctuate, on the TrailCal, while driving, not much but it did, although the in dash gauge never moved.
Did you contact Superchips regarding this? Any input from them?
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Did replacing the Jeep parts fix anything or was it b0rked until you reset the Superchips unit? Did you ever experiment to see if a single change caused the issue or if it was a combo of 2 or all 3? What temp is fan supposed to come on at? What temp is engine supposed to run at? I noticed the engine coolant temp fluctuate, on the TrailCal, while driving, not much but it did, although the in dash gauge never moved. Did you contact Superchips regarding this? Any input from them?
The first time replacing the parts fix it. I have not experimented with it to see if it's one, two, three or a combo that is causing the issue. I have not contacted Superchip yet, one of these days when I have time. And yes, the temp on the Traildash will move all over the place while the needle stays centered. The needle will not move until the temperature gets above about 220, and only a little at that temp. Above 230 you can see movement.
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Did replacing the Jeep parts fix anything or was it b0rked until you reset the Superchips unit? Did you ever experiment to see if a single change caused the issue or if it was a combo of 2 or all 3? What temp is fan supposed to come on at? What temp is engine supposed to run at? I noticed the engine coolant temp fluctuate, on the TrailCal, while driving, not much but it did, although the in dash gauge never moved. Did you contact Superchips regarding this? Any input from them?
Oh, and the factory fan comes on at low about 225 and slowly ramps up as it gets hotter.
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The first time replacing the parts fix it.
Did the problem reoccur after the parts replacement? Did the Superchips unit ruin the original controller for the fan?
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Did the problem reoccur after the parts replacement? Did the Superchips unit ruin the original controller for the fan?
I'm not sure if it run the controler or just scramble it. They replaced both and then it worked normal. When I took the jeep to a diferent dealer that seems more knowledgeable than the first, they pointed out the problem. This was with the Traildash 2. Upon resetting it back to factory default the fan and controler worked normal

Being a little gun shy, I now use the Procal for programming settings and e Traildash as an instrument cluster. I need to get in contact with Superchip to find out if they have any answers.

As far as I can tell the issue I've had with the jeep running hot, like up to 250, on longe grades at speed started after I installed the Traildash. At least that's when I first noticed it. There are a number of threads on jeeps running hot. So far there does not seem to be a commen thread between them. Nor does there seem to be a solution . The best one so far is to use the HP tuner to adjust when he fan comes on. As far as I know it's the only one that will allow you to do that. I have not spent the $400+ that it costs.
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I'm not sure if it run the controler or just scramble it. They replaced both and then it worked normal. When I took the jeep to a diferent dealer that seems more knowledgeable than the first, they pointed out the problem. This was with the Traildash 2. Upon resetting it back to factory default the fan and controler worked normal

Being a little gun shy, I now use the Procal for programming settings and e Traildash as an instrument cluster. I need to get in contact with Superchip to find out if they have any answers.

As far as I can tell the issue I've had with the jeep running hot, like up to 250, on longe grades at speed started after I installed the Traildash. At least that's when I first noticed it. There are a number of threads on jeeps running hot. So far there does not seem to be a commen thread between them. Nor does there seem to be a solution . The best one so far is to use the HP tuner to adjust when he fan comes on. As far as I know it's the only one that will allow you to do that. I have not spent the $400+ that it costs.
Thanks for the info. I would love to hear what Superchips has to say.
Btw, did the 2nd controller go haywire? Just wondering why the trip to the 2nd dealership.
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I'm not sure if it run the controler or just scramble it. They replaced both and then it worked normal. When I took the jeep to a diferent dealer that seems more knowledgeable than the first, they pointed out the problem. This was with the Traildash 2. Upon resetting it back to factory default the fan and controler worked normal

Being a little gun shy, I now use the Procal for programming settings and e Traildash as an instrument cluster. I need to get in contact with Superchip to find out if they have any answers.

As far as I can tell the issue I've had with the jeep running hot, like up to 250, on longe grades at speed started after I installed the Traildash. At least that's when I first noticed it. There are a number of threads on jeeps running hot. So far there does not seem to be a commen thread between them. Nor does there seem to be a solution . The best one so far is to use the HP tuner to adjust when he fan comes on. As far as I know it's the only one that will allow you to do that. I have not spent the $400+ that it costs.
Do you have an EVIC? What were your coolant temps before the TD2?

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No EVIC. The needle would move a little. After the td1 on a trip to AZ gong up some hills on I17 between Phoenix and flagstaff the needle moved to the 3/4 position while the td1 went up to 250 and the engine then went into limp mode. When temp dropped all was back to normal. Same thing happened on way to Silverton . Have tried hood vents. Not much change. Larger Mishimot radiator. No change. And oh btw, I've gone through 3 of those because leaking. While doing one radiator swap is where I found the fan coming on at 175 and off at 185 and not at the normal temp of about 225.

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