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Old 04-18-2019, 09:53 PM
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Can my baby be saved??

Driving my 2014 JK sporthome from work today and a lady turned across traffic and hit me. Both front airbags deployed, bumper smashed, grill dented, and the hood is a little askew. I just payed it off and I LOVE this Jeep. (don't let the greyed bumpers fool you, I was just planning a weekend of spring cleaning/detailing). I know it depends on what insurance says, but do you think there's any hope?? I've heard airbags being deployed aren't a good sign as far as repair vs totalling out, but they were able to drive it into a parking lot without a problem. I'm heartbroken 😭

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Unless it is sitting in water over the floor boards - they will usually repair it. The residual value on your Jeep is too high to pay out. That's been my experience.
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Unless it is sitting in water over the floor boards - they will usually repair it. The residual value on your Jeep is too high to pay out. That's been my experience.
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Old 04-18-2019, 11:20 PM   #4
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Saved? You barely have a flesh wound. Is it getting a salvage title? 90% odds its totaled. Airbags are about $5k each if they pop. (Bags are cheap, properly recalibrating the sensors after a crash is crazy expensive)
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If the frame is true, you should be able to have it fixed.
If you have invoices for any mods you made, this can help claim your Jeep is worth more than Blue Book value, allowing you to claim more from the opposing party.
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From the pic i would say that the left rail is slightly bent but maybe not.
The front part of the frame is made from soft steel and is replaceable.
If its slightly of spec they can bent it back on a frame machine - that front part is for the bumper only+ 2 front body mounts that holds the grille and radiators, Axles and the cabin are on the "strong" part of the frame. If the jeep drives straight like before probably its nothing major.
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Aw...thats upsetting.
Hopefully you can get her fixed
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If it is repaired be sure to hit the insurance company for diminished value and don't take their first offer. It is negotiable. If the repair shows up on Carfax or a similar site, and it most likely will, you will get dinged big time if you ever try to sell it or trade it.
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Just got an update from the adjuster. From his first look, he's estimating $10k in damage but hasn't determined the value of my Jeep yet. That seems high to me? He also said the whole front seems to be shifted to the left and there might be some frame damage but is still checking it out. I didn't know part of the frame could be fixed though. Keeping my fingers crossed, but it didn't sound super hopeful. I literally paid it off 2 days ago, and I love it. If it is totalled, I'm not sure I'd want one with a newer body style
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If both air bags went off and the frame is tweeked I am guessing it's done. The computer has to be replaced if the bags went off. To keep it might bring you more issues than you want. I finally have mine about done and if that happened to me I would let it go.
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If the airbags went off, there very well could be a lot more damage hidden underneath than just the bumper, grill, fender etc.
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It actually does not take a lot to deploy airbags. However, in my experience with deployment most of the time the vehicle is totalled as insurance companies do not want the liability of replacing airbags after a crash.


****modern airbags deploy from rapid deceleration of speed for front or rapid change of direction for the side curtains. It is all computer driven, not damage driven.
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Just got an update from the adjuster. From his first look, he's estimating $10k in damage but hasn't determined the value of my Jeep yet. That seems high to me? He also said the whole front seems to be shifted to the left and there might be some frame damage but is still checking it out. I didn't know part of the frame could be fixed though. Keeping my fingers crossed, but it didn't sound super hopeful. I literally paid it off 2 days ago, and I love it. If it is totalled, I'm not sure I'd want one with a newer body style
I would suggest doing a laser wheel alignment if its within specs the jeep can be easily fixed.

68050421AD this the replaceable frame rail sold by mopar
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Just got an update from the adjuster. From his first look, he's estimating $10k in damage but hasn't determined the value of my Jeep yet. That seems high to me? He also said the whole front seems to be shifted to the left and there might be some frame damage but is still checking it out. I didn't know part of the frame could be fixed though. Keeping my fingers crossed, but it didn't sound super hopeful. I literally paid it off 2 days ago, and I love it. If it is totalled, I'm not sure I'd want one with a newer body style
Like I said in my previous post air bag intall/calibration is expensive. About $3500 a shot. I think his quote was low. The reason it is so expensive is purely due to the future liability that the shop would bare if it failed to deploy correctly.

The valuation of the jeep is only one part of it being totaled. Market value - salvage value as is > repair cost. If it's not they call it a total loss.
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Allison14, My strongest recommendation is to tell the insurance company that you want a full estimate from a Jeep dealer.

The people in this forum are great. Everything said in this thread is true and accurate so let's put the whole picture together.


Your 7 slot grill is bent, your driver’s side quarter panel is bent, possibly your passenger side is also. The good and bad news is that your hood is likely not askew - everything under it shifted so it looks like it's off. With the grill moved to the side like that, the headlight housings may be broken and possibly the radiator and the rest of the front rail parts are shifted.

Your hood and quarter panel are aligned ok back at the door and cowling (that's good news).

All this is repairable but the $$$'s add up. Then you have as others brought up - air bags, recalibration, etc.

Your big issues are what you can't see and later effects. Later effects are the depreciation for being in a major $$$ accident and potential issues like death wobble or other premature front end wear because some of the joint bushings may have cracked. Also - yes, the soft frame is replaceable and given the look of your tow hooks you'll need at least that. The next issue is that you *cannot* eyeball a main frame and tell if it is straight - you need a frame machine to do that.

What you are up against now is that the insurance company will want to do the minimum they need to do to get you to sign the release so they are no longer liable. What you need to do is make sure all issues are on the table and agreed to before you sign that release - which they will make you do before you can have the check.

You need to level the knowledge playing field and the dealer will likely be a neutral party who is far better able to assess the damage than an insurance adjuster. I'm not dissing the agent or the insurance company. It's the nature of the situation. You sound like you want to keep your baby forever and if that is so, you need this done right. And yes, this all happened to me also.

Think about it - you need a new kidney... do you want it replaced in a hospital or in a veterinarian clinic - both do good jobs in their own environment.

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Typically if the air bags deploy it’s a total loss even though it does not look bad. Sorry but most insurance companies do not want the liability. However if you truly like it and want to keep it you could possibly buy it back and have it fixed yourself. I would wait and see what the repair is going to entail first...
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As someone who has worked as both an insurance adjuster and now an estimator in a Jeep dealership body shop I can tell you there is a lot of incorrect information in the posts above.
Bottom line is this, airbags, sensors and the airbag diagnostic units are replaced every day in professional body shops around the country. Frames are repaired every day at professional body shops around the country. Frame damage and airbag deployment do not always equal total loss.
In your case if I had to bet my bet would be that you will be getting a call in the next day or so letting you know yours is a total loss. An estimate of $10k without even tearing it down is just the beginning. Body shops and insurance companies know this and that is why there is a supplement process in place to catch what field adjusters can't see or miss.
Have it taken to a shop you trust and if the insurance company thinks it's repairable they will tear it down to find the hidden damage. Once that's done you should have a better idea of the total repair cost if it totals and you decide to keep it.
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People forget the most important aspect of a vehicle is occupant safety. Lost the first new truck to double air bag deployment and body damage. Yes first truck but it did it's job walked away and was able to move on to a better version of the first truck. Got the wish it was like this things in the next truck which was just as good if not better.
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Wow, lot of stuff talked about here. I bounced my Jeep across a bridge due to black ice. The vehicle was 4 years old and had low miles. I hit every corner, bent both bumpers, damaged 2 wheels and shifted the front frame rails over 2 1/2" to the right, and deployed both front air bags.

They estimated value at 20,200.00 and repairs at 11,900.00. By the time they got done they had to order a complete new frame from Chrysler and replaced most of the front steering parts, 2 wheels, front and rear bumper, 3 fenders and the windshield 3 times before they got it to seal properly and air bags, computer etc.... The vehicle looked and drove like new. The total cost out the door for everything was $16,900.00. And before you ask, yes they jacked the hell out of my insurance premium after this.

Bottom line, let the insurance look at it and see what they are going to cover and what your bottom line cost will be, and then make your decision. I honestly don't think that looks near as bad as my accident. Good luck.
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I have a front and rear bumper from a JK. Hood locks, tire carrier and some other original bits. The front bumper has some cosmetic blemishes, But if you need them and you can find a way to get to NJ you can have the whole lot for free.
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Any update on this Allison? We are all curious.
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This repair is trivial and $10k is high... and would be expecting a frame rail to be repaired or replaced. Airbags come in little packages that lot-boys can install...

Don't freak out - they'll fix it unless its book value is super low for some reason in your area...

The fact it is running and driving is a good sign its cosmetic.
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Typically if the air bags deploy it’s a total loss even though it does not look bad. Sorry but most insurance companies do not want the liability. However if you truly like it and want to keep it you could possibly buy it back and have it fixed yourself. I would wait and see what the repair is going to entail first...
This has been my experience as well.
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This repair is trivial and $10k is high... and would be expecting a frame rail to be repaired or replaced. Airbags come in little packages that lot-boys can install...

Don't freak out - they'll fix it unless its book value is super low for some reason in your area...

The fact it is running and driving is a good sign its cosmetic.
If you are in a shop that just replaces the deployed airbag and no other SRS parts you need to run. And I mean run and not drive your vehicle because they are hacks and there is no telling what else they did not do correctly.
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My ex wife's Jeep Liberty was absolutely demolished in my eyes. All airbags deployed. Thought for sure they would total it. Nope - but it never was the same.
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Do not take this to a body shop recommended by the insurance company
Find a great body shop in your area and bring the jeep to that shop.
Find someone that works on high end cars in the area. Ask around do google searches lookout reviews
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If it's totaled, let it go. It will never be the same, not to mention you will take a big hit on the residual value anyway. Take your check and shop around for an equivalent replacement of the same model year. Hopefully you'll be able to buy one with little to no additional cash.

I know it's tough, especially if you are attached to the vehicle and own it outright, but this is almost always the most cost effective option. Do make sure that they gave you an appropriate payout though.

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