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Old 05-29-2015, 09:07 PM
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CB Radio issues - Dash, headlights and wipers

Hey everyone -

Looking for some experienced help here.

I recently had a local shop (who is very reputable in this area) do a single DIN head unit and a CB install in the double DIN dash opening. This mod is all over the web and I love how clean/easy the whole thing is.

Only problem is that when I key the mic, the head unit reboots, headlight flash, wipers wipe, and the dash lights up like a christmas tree (and chimes).

Today, the guy connected a different antenna, grounded to the frame. Same results.

Checked all wiring, running dedicated hot/ground to the battery. Same results.

COAX tested for shorts, none found. SWR was in the red (5+). I am currently running a Firestik off the ACE Engineering rear tire swingaway (in their CB antenna mount).

This guy knows his stuff and is stumped. Anyone on here have ideas?

His last thought was RF interference with some module in the Jeep.

However the web is full of these installs, so I don't get it.

Any help is appreciated.

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SWR should be 1.5 or less. A Wilson 1000 would be a better choice.

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I have the same issue and have never found a solution. I tried everything under the sun based on suggestions I got online. Nothing worked.

The best guess I've seen is RF interference but I've yet to find a way to fix that.

For me it only happens on certain channels so I just stay away from those channels. And it doesn't happen when I key the mic. It happens when I speak into the mic.

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Either the antenna mount is faulty or the coax is hosed somewhere in between. The reflected power is what's making the vehicle electronics go batshit.
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Either the antenna mount is faulty or the coax is hosed somewhere in between. The reflected power is what's making the vehicle electronics go batshit.
I'd advise against stating absolutes. I changed my coax, antenna, and mount and that did nothing.
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Somewhere in the vehicle is a control module that is susceptible to RF interference at the CB frequency.
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I'd advise against stating absolutes. I changed my coax, antenna, and mount and that did nothing.
Look, you're getting +5 reflected back at the radio, pegging the SWR meter in the red. Something is wrong with one of those components or how it is installed. Your symptoms are not being caused by the jeep or any of it's modules. It's the other way around. And if you value your electronics, I would stop keying it up until you find the problem.

Have you tried a different radio? If the radio is transmitting something other than what it should be, even a perfect antenna system will reflect it all right back at you.


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Somewhere in the vehicle is a control module that is susceptible to RF interference at the CB frequency.
No. This has nothing to do with the modules in the vehicle. They're going haywire because his CB radio system is screwed up somewhere. He's got full power reflected back into the vehicle's electrical system. It will screw up everything.
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Somewhere in the vehicle is a control module that is susceptible to RF interference at the CB frequency.
Think I can just wrap them in aluminum foil?
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Think I can just wrap them in aluminum foil?
You're kidding, right? As has been mentioned a few times, 5+ on the SWR meter is WAY too high. You have a serious malfunction in the CB radio system. It could be a bad antenna, coax or the unit itself. It sounds like your antenna isn't getting a good ground.
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doesn't aluminum foil block RF interference?
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NO. Go re-read what I ready told you if you want to actually fix this. Wrapping the foil around your face would be more effective at this point. BTW, keep transmitting with 5+ swr and this won't be a problem for long. Your CB will burn up, and so will the Jeep's modules.

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Where is the plastic washer on the antenna base at? It needs to be between the antenna base and the mount. If not you are grounding the antenna out. Hope it is as simple as that. Good luck
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Apologies Pedals, I missed the SWR part. LOL

I have the same issue with my dash, but my SWR is fine.
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Apologies Pedals, I missed the SWR part. LOL

I have the same issue with my dash, but my SWR is fine.
Crappy coax and connectors can cause this. Any crappy shielding in the coax or connectors will basically leak RF with can get into the vehicle electronics.

A crappy CB radios will do the same thing.
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Don't give up! Getting the SWR down is critical for starters. As mentioned, installation issues, cheap coax and crappy connectors are most often the culprit. However, not mentioned in this discussion is the possibility of common mode current and its potential ramifications. Even the best balanced feed line installation has some level of radiated common mode current. If all else seems to fail, I'd think about a choke on the feedline.

This article could be of use... Mobile Radio - Common Mode Current

OP - I don't believe your CB guy knows his stuff if he can't get your SWR down below 5-1.
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Question for you. Are you able to turn your CB on and off in-dependent of ignition power? Have you gotten around to installing a plastic spacer on the mount yet?

Here is the reason I ask. I did this exact same install on my old 09 wrangler and had no issues with it. I turned around and installed it in my 15 and I am experiencing the same symptoms as you. I even have the ACE swing out tire carrier this time around (antenna is on a mount on the very right side of the carrier) but the last install was on the stock tire carrier with a mount that had two plastic spacers between the mount and the carrier.

On the 09, I had tapped into the two Aux power outlets. That year had two I guess. One always on and one was switched. This allowed me to run the CB even if there was no switched power from the ignition. This time around I didn't do that as the 15 only has one Aux power so I decided to just go ahead and tie into the power leading from my PAC C2A adapter. Ground is attached to the ground points in the passenger footwell/outer area under the glove box.

So one of two things that I can see it being and I haven't gotten around to it since it's hit or miss when I key up: I'm throwing the CAN-BUS for a loop by having tied into power from the stereo or not having an isolator on the antenna/mount is causing some problems. Again, it's intermittent, even when using the same channel.

Glad to know I'm not the only one with this issue.
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So one of two things that I can see it being and I haven't gotten around to it since it's hit or miss when I key up: I'm throwing the CAN-BUS for a loop by having tied into power from the stereo or not having an isolator on the antenna/mount is causing some problems. Again, it's intermittent, even when using the same channel.

Glad to know I'm not the only one with this issue.
Canbus is a communication protocol between modules and has no bearing on how much current is being drawn by the stereo. Everyone blames canbus but nobody blaming it knows what it even is. It really doesn't care what you put on the stereo circuit, and if it is too much, it will pop a fuse.

Does this swing away tire carrier by chance have plastic bushings? If so, that would ruin the antenna's day by isolating it from the vehicle's chassis ground. That would absolutely cause problems like this. A ground strap from the antenna mount to the body of the jeep would solve it.

And again, a cheap crappy CB radio will blast out all kinds of RF. And there is nothing you can do but get a better radio if that is the case.
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I'm not really worried about current that is being drawn by the stereo and/or cb that I have attached to the PAC module but more worried about the the cb power connections creating a short in the PAC module, thus causing a ripple effect back up into the electrical system - and the systems communicating with..the canbus.

The swing out carrier has several physical connections but they very well may not be providing the best connections. This is something that I will also take a look into and are a heck of a lot easier to test and work with than rewiring.

I know what the canbus is and how it functions. Just like RF interference, electrical will also cause unforeseen issues.
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Some people reported the issue went away when they removed the PAC module. It didn't work for me.
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The OP has power home run to the battery, no interface to any other existing vehicle wiring. So I really think this is radiated RF, not anything on the power circuit. If I were required to wager money/lunch/beer, I would put it on a crappy radio that is blasting RF out all the place. Except for the OP with his +5 SWR, which is clearly an antenna or coax problem.
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It's a pretty decent Cobra so I don't think its a bad CB.

I am taking it to a local specialist (D&R Communications in Clackamas, OR) to have it all checked out. I'll let you all know what they come back with.

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Hopefully they're better than your last specialist that left you with +5 SWR still not rectified.
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Also something to try. Remove the radio from your in-dash mounting. Just set it on the center console or the floor or other typical location. Hopefully your power and antenna cabling will reach. See if the problem continues with the radio removed from the dash.

If the problem goes away, the issues is almost certainly the CB radio blasting out high levels of RF everywhere except the antenna jack. Moving it away from the inside the dash moves it far enough away from the electronic modules. It could also be the connector on the radio end of the coax too.

If the problem remains even with the CB out of the dash, than the issues is likely related to bad coax, bad antenna install, bad connectors, or a bad antenna.
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I am researching CB's and RightChannelRadio has a great troubleshooting section.

I noticed you have the antenna mounted to a swing away tire carrier. I would bet that the carrier isn't making a solid ground with the vehicle to greate the required ground plane.

For grins try cleaning to bare steel a spot on the carrier and run a temp wire from that spot to a spot on the frame and see if that helps the SWR. I think the the poor ground might be causing high swr and the rest of baggage that comes with it.
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I was going to have it checked today but couldn't make it. Will update you guys tomorrow, hopefully.
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Is the tire carrier pivot bushings rubber. Maybe try running a ground to the cable to the frame.
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Went through this on the kid's setup in her '08. Radio is mounted to the console. Power leads run directly to the battery. Coax is good, firestik is mounted to the steel bumper, finish was removed.

She is running a redtop battery. And if the rig is at idle, or if she hits the mike key after start up, she gets the same thing. Driving on the boulevard, or on the trail, it only occurs at idle. After a few hours of driving it will be fine until she idles for a while, or shuts the rig off and restarts.

My belief is that the red top is not not keeping up with the load at first start or idle. I need to find time to swap a different battery in and see if it remedies.

It may be winter again before I see the rig and have the time to do this.


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My belief is that the red top is not not keeping up with the load at first start or idle. I need to find time to swap a different battery in and see if it remedies.
Not going to be the issue. Your CB radio is not overloading the Jeep's electrical system, not even remotely close.

Again, situations like this are NOT electrical. It is radiated RF interference from some component of the CB radio system getting into the sensitive electronic components of the Jeep. You need to figure out where that RFI is coming from and kill it. It can be coming from a poorly designed or assembled radio, a bad connector on the coax, bad coax, bad antenna mounting, bad antenna grounding, bad antenna tuning, or a generally bad antenna.
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Call it like you want P2P. I am good with you having your opinion. I know what I am seeing.


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OK. I understand what you're seeing. You're looking at wrong and are making incorrect assumptions about the symptoms. If you told me you saw a purple space alien in the passenger seat, I would tell you it is probably not what you think as well. What you are suggesting is not something any component of any system does, or is even capable of doing.

Since you want to be a smart ass about it, I can be as well. So I'll go into some detail for you on the matter. You're suggesting that a 4 watt consumer CB radio is dropping the vehicle's electrical system from 14 volts down to approximately 11.5 volts. Because that's how low it would have to go in order for the vehicle's systems to even start malfunctioning. In doing so, the engine would shut off, the lights would dim, the stereo would shut down, and the vehicle would never restart. You're talking about hundreds of amps, maybe 22,000 watts (not 4!). Your CB radio is not capable of drawing enough power to do this. But lets pretend it was. The radio would be smoking, the fuse would blow, the wiring would be on fire, and your battery would probably be smoking. Furthermore, with voltage dropping out like that, the modules would not go haywire. They would simple turn off or everything would be dim.

So unless you forgot to mention that her Jeep also happens to be on fire in the driveway your theory of electrical overload is incorrect. Again, I get what you're looking at, but you're drawing the wrong conclusion from it.
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