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Old 12-31-2017, 08:42 PM
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Do I need hub centric rings?

Got some MB Tko rims from discount tire and didnít notice till now my rims are lug centric. Iím having some alignment issues. Got it aligned twice by same shop. Shop stated my new NITTO front passenger tire needed to be re balanced. Got that done still pulls right. Will hub centric rings fix my pulling issues? Secondly I spent a bunch on new tires and rims and Iím worried about the life of these rims since they center themselves on the lug nuts. Will the holes in the rim open themselves up too much over time that I have to get bigger lug nuts to close the gap or am I worrying too much about it?

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Almost all aftermarket wheels are lug centric. Sometimes hub centric rings will solve vibration issues, but not an alignment issue.

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Almost all aftermarket wheels are lug centric. Sometimes hub centric rings will solve vibration issues, but not an alignment issue.
Ok thanks. Are hub centric rings really required though? I drive a lot and not sure if I should get them.
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Theyíre not required. If your center caps push in from the back you wonít be able to use them if you use hub rings.
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Almost all aftermarket wheels are lug centric. Sometimes hub centric rings will solve vibration issues, but not an alignment issue.
Exactly. I had a slight vibration that moved and changed every time wheels were removed, whether they were rotated or not. Hub-centric rings installed and vibration gone.

The rings will not help with an alignment issue.

OP, post a photo of your alignment sheet and maybe we can diagnose your problem.
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When I was looking for rims, I only looked at hub centric ones due to the stories about slight vibes that couls not be found and ended up being the rims. My Icon Alpha rims are hub centric and even with the 315's it's smooth as silk at any speed. They are a tight fit on the hub. With lug centric, if the lug holes are not perfect and tightened perfect, you're in for some slight random vibe.
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When I raced we used both hub and lug centric wheels. When doing high speed stuff (150+) I preferred hub centric but lug worked fine also. The key with lug centric is the right lug nut for the wheel and you just can't ram them on there with a gun. You need to run them up in a star pattern until all are hand tight and all play has been taken out of the wheel. Then torque them to half final value then final torque to value. Done correctly no vibration, take a short cut and you have one. Kinda of a pain but it works.
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The majority of the wheels I have had over 20+ years of driving have been lug centric. Never had any issues. I think this is one of those things people blow out of proportion because of a story they heard. Another prime example being wheel spacers.
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As an interesting point, while many aftermarket wheels are lug-centric, almost all factory wheels are hub-centric.

So... one would have to ask why he people that designed the vehicle made hub-centric wheels part of the spec?

I know why tuners use lug-centric... they are cheap slave-lords in China that only want to make one spec of wheel...
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When a tire and wheel is balanced, it's balanced hub centric. When a hub centric wheel takes a hit the force is not going on the lugs as the hub is holding the wheel centered and the lugs just hold it on. Hub centric is stronger and more precise.
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As an interesting point, while many aftermarket wheels are lug-centric, almost all factory wheels are hub-centric.

So... one would have to ask why he people that designed the vehicle made hub-centric wheels part of the spec?

I know why tuners use lug-centric... they are cheap slave-lords in China that only want to make one spec of wheel...
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When a tire and wheel is balanced, it's balanced hub centric. When a hub centric wheel takes a hit the force is not going on the lugs as the hub is holding the wheel centered and the lugs just hold it on. Hub centric is stronger and more precise.
Actually very few wheels are hub centric from the factory, if it uses acorn or shoulder nuts it is lug centric period. What we see from the factory is a assembly aid that helps install the wheel very fast and gets it very close to center. The lugs put the final touch on it.

A true hub centric wheel will use flat lug nuts and the only force applied to the wheel by the lug nut is a clamping force.

The other key to a hub centric setup is the hub. In most, I won't sake all the hub will extend through the entire width of the wheel. Back off the lug nut 1/4 of an inch and the tire and wheel still support the vehicle as it is rolling down the road. Back off your Jeep lugs a 1/4 of an inch and get back to me.

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