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Old 01-31-2015, 05:46 PM
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Do not use k&n oil filter!!!!

I have a 2008 JKU, modded but still a daily driver. Have ran Valvoline oil since I bought it with no issues whatsoever. Always used Fram oil filters. Last time I changed my oil, about 3000 miles ago (Valvoline 5w-20) I went with a K&N oil filter. Now I'm replacing my lifters, cam and oil pump. When I removed the k&n filter maybe 3 ounces of oil came out of it. Completely starved the engine of oil at every start up. Don't do it to yourself, whether it's Fram, Wix or whatever, do your research and make sure the filter isn't the piece of shit that K&N is

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Wow that sucks, are you going to contact K&N
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I have a 2008 JKU, modded but still a daily driver. Have ran Valvoline oil since I bought it with no issues whatsoever. Always used Fram oil filters. Last time I changed my oil, about 3000 miles ago (Valvoline 5w-20) I went with a K&N oil filter. Now I'm replacing my lifters, cam and oil pump. When I removed the k&n filter maybe 3 ounces of oil came out of it. Completely starved the engine of oil at every start up. Don't do it to yourself, whether it's Fram, Wix or whatever, do your research and make sure the filter isn't the piece of shit that K&N is
I would contact k&N if you believe it was their filter that caused the damage. What part number filter did you use? Their HP (white) or their regular filter? I use their HP-2009 "it's over-sized from 3.7 motor" on my 3.8 and never had an issue. Must have logged 25k on the jeep with them. Between my four cars I put at least 150 k over the past three years with them and no issues whatsoever. My research showed them to be the best that's why I use them. I run synthetic oil also. Sorry about your engine good luck with it.
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I don't know. I was always told that the filter will hold about a quart of oil. So, you fill the engine with oil and then you run it, and check the oil once it settles in the filter, and refill. It's the same for the coolant.
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I have a 2008 JKU, modded but still a daily driver. Have ran Valvoline oil since I bought it with no issues whatsoever. Always used Fram oil filters. Last time I changed my oil, about 3000 miles ago (Valvoline 5w-20) I went with a K&N oil filter. Now I'm replacing my lifters, cam and oil pump. When I removed the k&n filter maybe 3 ounces of oil came out of it. Completely starved the engine of oil at every start up. Don't do it to yourself, whether it's Fram, Wix or whatever, do your research and make sure the filter isn't the piece of shit that K&N is
Since I don't know what caused the damage can't comment on much, but I'd never use fram, not even on my 600 dollar beater truck, stick with mopar,
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Did you contact K&N and start a claim process? Every filter maker has a claim process where they send you a recovery kit to send back for analysis. If you cut it open already playing engineer, then you are SOL.

Also, if you think any of the other makers have not sent out a turd and grenade an engine, you are sadly mistaken.
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Contacted K&N, was told essentially it's not their issue. Have been working on cars since I was about 6, so took all of the normal protocols at every change and am enough of a maintenance freak I prob pay more attention to detail than most. I'm sure everybody puts out a turd on occasion, just pisses me off that k&n is supposed to be the best thing out there and one trip down that road has cost me this. Also on the fram side, that's all I've ran in vehicles for the last 25 years and never had this issue with them. Plus after researching on here and the jk forum, apparently I'm not the only one
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You sure your oil pump is actually pumping oil up to pressure?
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filter didn't cause this...sorry.
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Contacted K&N, was told essentially it's not their issue. Have been working on cars since I was about 6, so took all of the normal protocols at every change and am enough of a maintenance freak I prob pay more attention to detail than most. I'm sure everybody puts out a turd on occasion, just pisses me off that k&n is supposed to be the best thing out there and one trip down that road has cost me this. Also on the fram side, that's all I've ran in vehicles for the last 25 years and never had this issue with them. Plus after researching on here and the jk forum, apparently I'm not the only one
K&N filters are Mobil 1 filters in disguise...

Perhaps a class action lawsuit is in order!

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I only use Mopar branded filters in my 3.8. They used to be made by Wix, but now they seem to be provided by Purolater. Either way, I never had an issue. Problems with 3.8's and oil filters always seem to be the anti drain back valve or the lack of one in the filter. No idea what your recourse would be with K&N. I don't know how it could be proven that the K&N filter actually caused the problem. There is an extended powertrain warranty. Did you research whether it was covered under warranty before you opened up the engine?
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I only use Mopar Filter...Why not? Its the right spec.
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Are you sure your problem is'nt Oil Consumption in your 3.8L ????
Thats a pretty common problem, especially the early engines....
Seems to me if the engine was "completely Starved of oil at every start up " you would have noticed the Idiot Light staying on longer than normal...
K&N is just like everyone else, they advertise the best thing since sliced bread....
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Contacted K&N, was told essentially it's not their issue.................
You are not finding the right person to talk to then. I would ask for a contact to their legal department to get traction that you have a warranty claim for a damaged engine which their stated warranty will cover.

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K&N oil filters are warranted to be free from defects in material and workmanship. Any filter proven defective during the engine or equipment manufacturer's or during the oil supplier's recommended service intervals will be replaced at no charge.

In the event of an engine or equipment failure directly caused by a defective K&N oil filter, which was properly installed and changed following the engine or equipment manufacturer's recommended service intervals, K&N Engineering, Inc. will repair the damaged engine or equipment. If a full synthetic or other premium lubricant is used K&N will extend this coverage to the interval specified by the lubricant supplier.

Claims for engine or equipment repairs provided under this warranty must be submitted within 30 days after discovery of damage.
K&N Engineering, Inc. reserves the right to examine the engine or equipment and filter to determine the amount of damage and whether it was caused by a defective K&N oil filter.

This warranty gives you specific legal rights. You may have other rights which vary from state to state.

Engine and equipment manufacturer's warranties remain in effect when K&N oil filters are used.
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If it was"Completely starved the engine of oil at every start up" it would have rattled like a can of marbles.
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Question: do you still have the filter. And can you make a tester to test the Filter. That is possibly your only way to make a claim. I would just hook up a pipe to the center of the filter and see if oil can push thru or be sucked out. You could have another issue with your Jeep. Engine Repair Shop might be able to test it for you. Get it documented and then file a small claim. That usually requires you to visit the Court House and go to the Clerk Window to get the documents or download from the County Court House Website.
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Question: do you still have the filter. And can you make a tester to test the Filter. That is possibly your only way to make a claim. I would just hook up a pipe to the center of the filter and see if oil can push thru or be sucked out. You could have another issue with your Jeep. Engine Repair Shop might be able to test it for you. Get it documented and then file a small claim. That usually requires you to visit the Court House and go to the Clerk Window to get the documents or download from the County Court House Website.
That's not how it works. The oil filter maker has the right to recover and test the filter for any claims of defect. Any monkeying around by the end user or cutting it open will invalidate any claim. Small claims court is not the venue here either.

All the major oil filter makers/brands have a claim and recovery process. That usually requires you contacting them and starting the claim where they send out a filter recovery kit and the end users fills out a detailed questionnaire.

The problem is most people never follow the process and by the time they get around to figuring out who is going to pay for it, they have already negated the process by playing engineer or thrown out the filter already.

Another reality is that there is still many, many other variables and factors that can fail besides the filter and take the filter out. Just because he "thinks" the filter is bad, it can still come back that the engine had other problems to cause the filter to fail. Only after the filter maker has done it's analysis and "if" the findings are not in favor of the end user, then other legal proceeding can then be moved forward by the end user. The end user cannot just go straight to small claims court with out ever giving the filter maker the opportunity to inspect and investigate the filter in question.
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That's not how it works. The oil filter maker has the right to recover and test the filter for any claims of defect. Any monkeying around by the end user or cutting it open will invalidate any claim. Small claims court is not the venue here either.

All the major oil filter makers/brands have a claim and recovery process. That usually requires you contacting them and starting the claim where they send out a filter recovery kit and the end users fills out a detailed questionnaire.

The problem is most people never follow the process and by the time they get around to figuring out who is going to pay for it, they have already negated the process by playing engineer or thrown out the filter already.

Another reality is that there is still many, many other variables and factors that can fail besides the filter and take the filter out. Just because he "thinks" the filter is bad, it can still come back that the engine had other problems to cause the filter to fail. Only after the filter maker has done it's analysis and "if" the findings are not in favor of the end user, then other legal proceeding can then be moved forward by the end user. The end user cannot just go straight to small claims court with out ever giving the filter maker the opportunity to inspect and investigate the filter in question.
Good answer. Follow this advice.
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Sorry, new to this forum. Oil pump putting out 44 psi, so Def not the problem. Jeeps got 70,000 miles on it, and from tearing down the topside, the only other thing I've found was a cracked exhaust manifold, everything else is working fine and to spec. Started the rattle at startup last friday, so caught it before it completely bombed the engine. The filter had about 3 ounces of oil in it when I pulled it off. Oil screen is clean in the pick up area and have used synthetic since day one. I'm not the original owner, am the 2nd, but know the original owner well, bought jeep at 50,000 miles and the windshield wipers had never been turned on. Where K&N is telling me there's nothing they can do is due to me having pulled the engine down already, but what was I supposed to do, it's a daily driver? Can't have it parked when I've got to get to work
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I have a 2008 JKU, modded but still a daily driver. Have ran Valvoline oil since I bought it with no issues whatsoever. Always used Fram oil filters. Last time I changed my oil, about 3000 miles ago (Valvoline 5w-20) I went with a K&N oil filter. Now I'm replacing my lifters, cam and oil pump. When I removed the k&n filter maybe 3 ounces of oil came out of it. Completely starved the engine of oil at every start up. Don't do it to yourself, whether it's Fram, Wix or whatever, do your research and make sure the filter isn't the piece of shit that K&N is
This is kind of curious, the oil pump is before the oil filter. If the oil pump is damaged due to lack of lubrication, it may have been the culprit starving the engine of oil. Perhaps the oil pump relief valve was sticking? Dunno...

IMHO coincidence and causation are two different things. Just because the only thing you did different was use a K&N filter before engine damage doesn't necessarily mean the filter was the cause of the damage. I do feel your pain though.
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I still don't get how you drew the conclusion between the oil filter and your problem. The residual oil in the filter?
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i still don't get how you drew the conclusion between the oil filter and your problem.
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Basically between the residual in the filter, plus the fact that oil pump was putting out well within spec range for psi. Also have read on this forum and others that the antidrain back valve on the k&n filter doesn't work on a horizontal mount, which the jk is, and k&ns close to admission of this. They told me they were aware of an issue with jeeps, but since I had already torn the engine down there was nothing they could do
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Did they redesign the filter on newer JK's? My filter cartridge is vertical on my '12.
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Did they redesign the filter on newer JK's? My filter cartridge is vertical on my '12.
Yes. 3.8's have a spin on filter and it sits horizontal at the front of the engine.
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Yes. 3.8's have a spin on filter and it sits horizontal at the front of the engine.
Ahhh, yeah, I was thinking post '12. Forgot the OP has an '08.

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